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[DKJaigen]

No big loss there.

 

I think the darkspawn dragons,demons,  tevinters qunuari and whatever else kind of nastiness will agree with you albeit for different reasons.

Their is no such thing as pro templar because thats like saying your pro retard.

[KC_Prototype]

I would like it to be one of the main focuses. It's only fitting since we started it at the end of DA2.

[Master Warder Z_]

I think the darkspawn dragons,demons,  tevinters qunuari and whatever else kind of nastiness will agree with you albeit for different reasons.

Their is no such thing as pro templar because thats like saying your pro retard.

 

You really need to brush up on Forum Etiquette.

 

Attack the Post, not the Poster.

 

.-. Also, they would be with out Magic as well, And the Imperium with out magic?

 

No real threat, the Qunari with out magic? Still a threat but reduced in volume.

 

Darkspawn? They use magic as well, And i am still not convinced you cannot just use a bloody mortar and pestle to do the Joining, until further detail is released anyway.

[Xilizhra]

You really need to brush up on Forum Etiquette.

 

Attack the Post, not the Poster.

 

.-. Also, they would be with out Magic as well, And the Imperium with out magic?

 

No real threat, the Qunari with out magic? Still a threat but reduced in volume.

 

Darkspawn? They use magic as well, And i am still not convinced you cannot just use a bloody mortar and pestle to do the Joining, until further detail is released anyway.

Strictly speaking, that was an insult to the templars and not the posters. Also, the qunari would be far more of a threat to Thedas without magic, given how they restrict their own mages, combined with their technological advantages.

[Master Warder Z_]

Strictly speaking, that was an insult to the templars and not the posters. Also, the qunari would be far more of a threat to Thedas without magic, given how they restrict their own mages, combined with their technological advantages.

 

Uh huh, It was an insult those who support their stance Xill, Pure sure the Moderation would agree with me on that.

 

Their technological advantage didn't win them Thedas the first time, Sure the Circle contributed but, I'd argue it was sheer volume of numbers and the amount of ships Thedas was throwing at them, over sheer magical impact in the Qunari Wars that forced them to sue for peace.

 

Well that and the Raiders of the Waking Sea, Antiva and Rivain launching Invasions against Par Vollen, That helped I'd imagine as well.

[Uccio]

If this is the last DA game in the serie I want to fight for the complete freedom for mages and bring down chantry and circles. If this is not the last game then I hope the solution is left for later game.

[Xilizhra]

Uh huh, It was an insult those who support their stance Xill, Pure sure the Moderation would agree with me on that.

 

Their technological advantage didn't win them Thedas the first time, Sure the Circle contributed but, I'd argue it was sheer volume of numbers and the amount of ships Thedas was throwing at them, over sheer magical impact in the Qunari Wars that forced them to sue for peace.

 

Well that and the Raiders of the Waking Sea, Antiva and Rivain launching Invasions against Par Vollen, That helped I'd imagine as well.

Their technological advantage was stated specifically to have been nullified and outmatched by the Circle, which was the deciding factor.

[LobselVith8]

Their technological advantage was stated specifically to have been nullified and outmatched by the Circle, which was the deciding factor.

 

True. As Sister Petrine wrote, "The greatest advantage of the Chantry-led forces was the Circle of Magi. For all their technology, the Qunari appeared to harbor great hatred for magic. Faced with cannons, the Chantry responded with lightning and balls of fire."

[Master Warder Z_]

Their technological advantage was stated specifically to have been nullified and outmatched by the Circle, which was the deciding factor.

 

Mmm, According to perspective driven codexs sure, WOT painted a nicer picture.

 

Them being outfought militarily, collapsing supplylines and an invasion in their Homeland, paint a more accurate picture.

 

It's like i told the Qunari Defenders, You argue perspective driven codexs, and i cite word of god.

[Master Warder Z_]

True. As Sister Petrine wrote, "The greatest advantage of the Chantry-led forces was the Circle of Magi. For all their technology, the Qunari appeared to harbor great hatred for magic. Faced with cannons, the Chantry responded with lightning and balls of fire."

 

See

[Xilizhra]

Mmm, According to perspective driven codexs sure, WOT painted a nicer picture.

 

Them being outfought militarily, collapsing supplylines and an invasion in their Homeland, paint a more accurate picture.

 

It's like i told the Qunari Defenders, You argue perspective driven codexs, and i cite word of god.

Ah, yes, WoT, which is even now getting cited for inaccuracy in that other thread. We may need another actual Word to sort the issue out.

[Master Warder Z_]

Ah, yes, WoT, which is even now getting cited for inaccuracy in that other thread. We may need another actual Word to sort the issue out.

 

Cited for Inaccuracy by Lob, Because it doesn't match his preconceptions, Some folks just need to accept that the Lore is whatever the Devs say it is.

 

Nothing is set in stone.

 

Also, it was cited for something completely different then the Qunari Wars.

 

So that defense holds no merit to me.

[Xilizhra]

Cited for Inaccuracy by Lob, Because it doesn't match his preconceptions, Some folks just need to accept that the Lore is whatever the Devs say it is.

 

Nothing is set in stone.

 

Also, it was cited for something completely different then the Qunari Wars.

 

So that defense holds no merit to me.

I believe LobselVith was actually arguing in favor of WoT's accuracy in that thread.

[Vearsin]

Id like it to be a significant part of the story. Otherwise what was the point of DA2?

[Master Warder Z_]

I believe LobselVith was actually arguing in favor of WoT's accuracy in that thread.

 

And?

 

WOT is until further editions are released, and comment by the Devs, Accurate over anything else given exactly what it said in the opening passage.

 

"Everything in here is true."

[LobselVith8]

I believe LobselVith was actually arguing in favor of WoT's accuracy in that thread.

 

That's correct. However, I don't see anything in WoT that negates the involvement of the Circle mages in the New Exalted Marches. Circle mages fought as part of the Chantry forces militarily against the warriors of the Qun and advanced technology of the Qunari, and there's no reason the mages would have been prohibited from getting involved in helping deal with the Qunari supply lines.

[EmperorSahlertz]

The mages were not THE deciding factor in the Qunari Wars. They were the equalizers. They made the playing field fair. They were A deciding factor that made sure the Qunari didn't steamroll the rest of Thedas sure, but they weren't the only factor in the math.

[DKJaigen]

Uh huh, It was an insult those who support their stance Xill, Pure sure the Moderation would agree with me on that.

 

Their technological advantage didn't win them Thedas the first time, Sure the Circle contributed but, I'd argue it was sheer volume of numbers and the amount of ships Thedas was throwing at them, over sheer magical impact in the Qunari Wars that forced them to sue for peace.

 

Well that and the Raiders of the Waking Sea, Antiva and Rivain launching Invasions against Par Vollen, That helped I'd imagine as well.

 

 

As i said you have no stance . your entire stance is based on self delusion. so their are no pro templars . pro templar doctrine is indeed retarded. Its hilarious however every single " pro templar" cling to these self delusions . You, lotion, Emperor and JB. When I bring arguments that destroys your perfect little pro templar world you simply say it doesnt exist. even now your doing it. i have seen clocks with less regularity then " templar supporters" .

[Lotion Soronarr]

As i said you have no stance . your entire stance is based on self delusion. so their are no pro templars . pro templar doctrine is indeed retarded. Its hilarious however every single " pro templar" cling to these self delusions . You, lotion, Emperor and JB. When I bring arguments that destroys your perfect little pro templar world you simply say it doesnt exist. even now your doing it. i have seen clocks with less regularity then " templar supporters" .

 

You might try brining in arguments that don't have more holes in them than swiss cheese, then people might start taking you more seriously.

You talk of self delusions? Look in the mirror.

[Allan Schumacher]

Suggesting that someone is "pro templar" is "pro retard" isn't acceptable.

 

If you can't take part in mage-templar discussions without being condescending towards those that disagree with you, don't.

 

If you think that someone is breaking forum rules, report the post with a write up as to why you think it's a problem.

 

If a poster is coming across as crass and antagonizing, and overall frustrating... ignore the poster.  Go to "Manage Ignore prefs" in your control panel," and spare yourself the misfortune of having to experience antagonizing posts that do nothing more than frustrate you.  The incorrect course of action is to assume you have to respond lest that poster have their views unchallenged and therefore able to spread whatever misinformation you think exists.

 

 

EDIT: Reopening thread as I realized that people were linking to this thread from another, which is where most of the bad was going on.

[ahellbornlady]

I enjoy the Mage/Templar conflict and don't see it as being as black and white as people think. I find myself understanding both sides of the argument and it's really an interesting moral dilemma. In general, I suppose I'm more pro-mage but I'm not exactly anti-circle either? I'd also like to hear more about lyrium addiction, if possible.

[Shadow Fox]

I honestly hope it takes a backseat this time.

[Iron Fist]

I enjoy the Mage/Templar conflict and don't see it as being as black and white as people think. I find myself understanding both sides of the argument and it's really an interesting moral dilemma. In general, I suppose I'm more pro-mage but I'm not exactly anti-circle either? I'd also like to hear more about lyrium addiction, if possible.

 

I agree. I feel that the Circle is a necessary evil, but the system needs to be refined.

 

For instance, interaction between mages and their parents should be a priority from now on.

 

Not everyone comes from two mage parents (or one). Some mages are just randomly born. If they all had some familial constraints on their actions, then extremism would be less likely to occur.

 

Allowing experienced mages with excellent behavior to leave their towers and roam the world freely would be a great idea.

 

It would give young mages a goal to strive towards and an actual future.

[AresKeith]

I agree. I feel that the Circle is a necessary evil, but the system needs to be refined.

 

For instance, interaction between mages and their parents should be a priority from now on.

 

Not everyone comes from two mage parents (or one). Some mages are just randomly born. If they all had some familial constraints on their actions, then extremism would be less likely to occur.

 

Allowing experienced mages with excellent behavior to leave their towers and roam the world freely would be a great idea.

 

It would give young mages a goal to strive towards and an actual future.

 

I agree for the most part, but part of me feels that they should live in the Circle for the long run

[JakeLeTDK]

Shouldn't be a main focus I think. Something like Nature of the beast or Sacred Ashes would be nice.