The only problem with that is in Dragon age 2. Even if you kill Flemeth in DA 1 she comes back in DA 2 thanks to the locket she gives Hawke. Unless the locket has some blood or a piece of her soul bonded to it. (She basically does a Voldemort and his Horcrux from Harry Potter).
That is the same thing it reminded me of. I thought she said something about a small piece of her??? Can't remember. I think when I heard it, I thought of Volde.
She did say a piece of herself was in the amulet. Harry Pots take two.
So we have a new Voldemort running around in Thedas but we don't even know if she's evil or not. Don't it just make you feel all warm and Fuzzy? The worlds going to hell and we don't even know why. Yay!!! Not!!
So we have a new Voldemort running around in Thedas but we don't even know if she's evil or not. Don't it just make you feel all warm and Fuzzy? The worlds going to hell and we don't even know why. Yay!!! Not!!
She is much better than Volde. I'm thinking he stole the information from her being he was just in the minor leagues and couldn't even defeat a kid.
Even if she is evil she is entertaining. I'm not even sure she is evil. She could just be determined to do things her way.
Well that was my point, her being evil an unknown factor at least. And she is so much more entertaining then Voldemort. She brings an element of desperation to the world and she is not predictable like Voldemort was.
Ok not to bump my topic back up on the post page but I just have to say this. I just finished reading the 3 part comics abut Alistair, Varric, and Isabela and it just adds more evidence that I might be onto something. In the comic you actually get to see another of Flemeth's daughters (Yavana). She confirms that Morrigan wasn't making it up about Flemeth putting herself into Morrigan's body.
It's just not in the way we think. She basically puts a piece of herself or a small fraction of her true power into each of her daughters to increase their own powers. We also see that Yavana has something to do with dragons. Is anyone else noticing that every one of Flemeth's daughters has something they want from a dragon or is involved with dragons in some way.
It would make sense that they know so much about dragons and what they can do because Flemeth herself is or once was a dragon herself. That and in the new video for DA I we see an evil undead dragon going to attack the Inquisitor but another dragon steps in to fight it off. It would make sense that if Flemeth is a dragon she might not want to evil one to win.
So I'm thinking 'the elder one' is a dragon that wants to rule the world. And if you guys watch the web show Bioware released a while back, you see and elven artifact (the mask of Fen'Heral) has the power to rip open tears in the fade to let people in or other things out. It would make sense that there is more then one artifact that can do this, or someone figures out how to make a spell version of it which the Inquisitor can do well.
So thts about it, just post on here what you guys think and please keep it civil.
This has long been a favourite theory of mine. There's significant circumstantial evidence to support it.
World of Thedas mentions that Flemeth of Highever - who became Flemeth, witch of the wilds - was born in 3:00 Towers. The same source mentions that the Archdemon Toth - the only archdemon whose Grey Warden killer is completely unknown - died in 3:25 towers. Meaning Flemeth was twenty-five and very much childbearing age when an archdemon up and died without a single obvious hero lying dead on the battlefield. No one thought anything of Toth's death at the time, because whole armies were there, and a lot of people had died, presumably Grey Wardens too.
It also explains from a storytelling perspective the reason for the Dark Ritual. The devs have told us repeatedly that the Old God Baby Urthmiel (the one you can make in Origins) will never be significant to the story. Then why include the Dark Ritual at all...? I mean, if it was just to let us take a third option, there are dozens of things they could have done.
I think the Dark Ritual is a "Chekhov's Gun" - a detail writers throw in early in a story so it doesn't look like they pulled it out of their arse later on when it becomes important. In other words, it doesn't matter whether Urthmiel is reborn or not. It only matters that the player knows that old god babies exist...
So I'm thinking 'the elder one' is a dragon that wants to rule the world. And if you guys watch the web show Bioware released a while back, you see and elven artifact (the mask of Fen'Heral) has the power to rip open tears in the fade to let people in or other things out. It would make sense that there is more then one artifact that can do this, or someone figures out how to make a spell version of it which the Inquisitor can do well.
So thts about it, just post on here what you guys think and please keep it civil.
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It made me think of Fen'Harel. A lot of people have wondered if all the mythologies fit together, and if the Elven Forgotten Ones who preyed on the Elves weren't the Tevinter dragon-gods. So where are the Elven Gods? Sealed in "the heavens." Maybe the heavens mean the Fade here, and maybe Fen'Harel created the veil to keep out the Elven gods, and put the Forgotten Ones to sleep. The Mask of Fen'Harel causing veil tears seems to reinforce this.
Though at this point, I'm building speculation on top of speculation, so who knows? I was terrible at predicting Harry Potter 
She did say a piece of herself was in the amulet. Harry Pots take two.
It's a much older trope than Harry Potter. Koschei the Deathless in Russian folklore is the oldest I know. He was a wizard who kept his soul outside his body so he couldn't die.
When Harry Potter came up with horcruxes, a lot of Dungeons and Dragons players pointed out that that's how Liches did it. They would create phylacteries that would anchor them to this life.
The only one I'm fond of at all is the 'dragon' theory, only because there's a Morrigan/Oghren dialogue that hints at the idea. (The one where he suggests that Morrigan could be an animal, like a nug, in human form.) But then, if she were herself a dragon, why would she need Maric's dragon blood?
There's also the bit with there evidently being a Highever woman named Flemeth who lived in the Tower Age. It would be very narratively strange if DAO Flemeth didn't relate to that woman in some way, even if they aren't the same person. (Morrigan tells us that she isn't sure if they are, and it may be telling that that uncertainty was important enough to write dialogue to express.)
So - if Alistair does the dark ritual then OGB would have human, elven, tainted and dragon blood. Not to mention the mother's side of things. That is scary.
Although it would be really good if the OGB took almost completely after his father. Just thinking of the look on Morrimum's face.
So - if Alistair does the dark ritual then OGB would have human, elven, tainted and dragon blood. Not to mention the mother's side of things. That is scary.
Although it would be really good if the OGB took almost completely after his father.
Don't forget mage blood...DA2 establishes that magic runs in families 
I like to say that Alistair's blood is like a chemistry project gone horribly wrong. They'll eventually discover he's part griffin and clone them back from extinction using his DNA
I'm just curious where you got elven blood in the OGB? Because Alistair is fully human, his half elven brother is yet to be named and introduced. But still I agree with the rest of it. His bloodline is a lot like my own (I'm a human mutt, I have numerous cultures and ethnicities in my family) so I find it funny that he hates it so much.
I'm just curious where you got elven blood in the OGB? Because Alistair is fully human, his half elven brother is yet to be named and introduced. But still I agree with the rest of it. His bloodline is a lot like my own (I'm a human mutt, I have numerous cultures and ethnicities in my family) so I find it funny that he hates it so much.
Alistair is considered to be a elf-blooded human on his wiki page. And the reason that he hates it is that it's pretty much defined his entire life and he had pretty much no say in anything that happened to him before being recruited by Duncan.
I'm just curious where you got elven blood in the OGB? Because Alistair is fully human, his half elven brother is yet to be named and introduced. But still I agree with the rest of it. His bloodline is a lot like my own (I'm a human mutt, I have numerous cultures and ethnicities in my family) so I find it funny that he hates it so much.
yes - WoG says that Fiona (elven first enchanter) was Alistair's mother. For my part I stick to the game lore that his mother was a servant. I haven't read any of the books. The blood that defines his life and that he hates is Maric's because of being bastard royalty.
Flemeth herself is immortal. Her current body isn't. I suppose that adds more merit to the OP's theory on Flemeth, considering how an archdemon's soul gets passed on to the nearest darkspawn when its body dies. Considering how Flemeth hasn't been tainted, she can't just jump into another body. She needs to have a host body to possess.
My thoughts exactly. That's the very reason that I believe Flemeth is an OG.
Flemeth is not a nutty old cod, she is a nutty old bat.
If we're going down the Flemeth/daughters/dragons path then how about the little missy guarding (?) the Urn? I always leave her alone to protect the way to the urn and keep out chantry exploitation. 
Well the dragon 'andraste' is different from Flemeth because she's just a high dragon that's been alive for a while. We think Flemeth might be one of the original dragons or the 'old gods' as tevinter calls them reborn. They were basically the first dragons to exist.
Not to rain on your parade Gottaloveme but Fiona isn't Alistair's mother. If you go to the official dragon age wiki it will tell you that Marric had three sons; Cailan, Alistair, and a third son that they don't let you know much about yet. When Marric tells Alistair that they didn't want anyone to know of Alistair he ment that he had Emon take and raise him away from the Denerim courts.
Pretty sure Flemeth plays a huge role in the series as a whole, and thinking she might be an old god is a good place to start. Her appearances through books, comics (through reference) and games is a pretty strong indication of that. Time will tell, and it doesn't really affect how you play the game, but it really is neat to think about.
Well the dragon 'andraste' is different from Flemeth because she's just a high dragon that's been alive for a while. We think Flemeth might be one of the original dragons or the 'old gods' as tevinter calls them reborn. They were basically the first dragons to exist.
Not to rain on your parade Gottaloveme but Fiona isn't Alistair's mother. If you go to the official dragon age wiki it will tell you that Marric had three sons; Cailan, Alistair, and a third son that they don't let you know much about yet. When Marric tells Alistair that they didn't want anyone to know of Alistair he ment that he had Emon take and raise him away from the Denerim courts.
Not sure what wiki you're looking at, but on here it says that Fiona IS his mother.
Well consider me mistaken, the last time I looked at Maric's page on that site it said that he had three kids. Then they just need to clarify who his mother was from the game content. In the game his mother was a maid who died giving birth to him. That and I'd like to know where they confirmed that Fiona was his mother. I've read all the books and the comics and there's no mention of her being his mom. Not even in the 'until we sleep' comic.
His dad just says that Alistair's mom and Maric didn't want him to know about who they were. So either they have yet to explain on that or they just edited out the third son and combined him with Alistair.
I know the site says Duncan vows to watch over him but it never says the child's name or where Duncan puts him. I just rechecked the book to see if I missed it but I didn't. So as far as anyone knows from the books Duncan watch's the kid but never tells anyone where he is. I just assumed he watched over Alistair because he knew that he was Maric's other child and Duncan came to respect Maric.
It says here that Maric only had 2 sons: Cailan and Alistair. Pretty sure that this unnamed third son you're talking about would've been listed if he was around. I've seen quite a few characters with unnamed family members listed on their wiki pages, so it stands to reason that the same should apply to Maric, and, by extent, Alistair.
I know gamer072196 that the site says that now. I'm saying that when I last looked at the site, it said that Maric had three kids, so they changed it on the website itself. The site itself says that its content is changeable. I'm not looking for an argument I'm just stating what it said three months ago when I checked it.
If you want to have a chat on this then might I ask you make a new topic page about it so this on can get back to being about Flemeth and peoples theories about her.
Ah, alright. tbh, if that was changed, then BW might've retconned it. Well, that's what I'd assume, anyway.
But yeah, let's get back to Flemeth. I can't help but think about what Morrigan says in Witch Hunt, saying that she thought that Flemeth was trying to retain her immortality at first, but now she knows that that wasn't the case. She tells the Warden/Warden-Commander that Flemeth is a bigger threat than they could have ever realized (I'm paraphrasing here, just to be clear). imo, her saying that is foreshadowing what Flemeth plans to do in DA:I. I mean, BW has been working on DA:I since before DA:O's launch, so I wouldn't be surprised if they had foreshadowing in one of the DLCs for DA:I. I mean, if you think back to ME1, there is some, albeit minor, foreshadowing towards ME3, so it wouldn't be surprising that BW decided to have some DA:I foreshadowing all the way back in DA:O.
Plus, if you combine it with Sandal's prophecy in DA2 and the Enemy of Thedas trailer, I'm thinking that either 1) Flemeth is working in collaboration with the Elder One (assuming he's the main antagonist), or 2) she might've had something to do with the Elder One's appearance. Also, if you think back to some of the other stuff Sandal says in DA2, he mentions that there's an old woman appearing at the foot of his bed that she has a 'scary laugh'. I think that this woman is Flemeth. tbh, it wouldn't surprise me, considering how she saved the Warden and Alistair in DA:O so that one of them could preform the DR with her, then saved Hawke and his/her family 'supposedly' to be able to escape being killed by the Warden, even if the Warden took her deal. In the Warden's case, it could just be her planning ahead, but then, she DOES say that she was expecting the Warden and company to show up in the Wilds looking for the Warden treaties as well as saying that she expected Morrigan to convince the Warden to try to kill her, though the latter could just be Flemeth knowing Morrigan very well. She also seemed to know ahead of time that Hawke was going to gain a lot of influence and power and be key to the Qunari problem in Act II and the beginning of the Mage/Templar war in Act III. Whether or not she planned this for other reasons, I can't tell.
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