30 réponses à ce sujet

[s_legion00]

How does the Conduit not tear a bulkhead in the Citadel?
It is established that the mass relays are giant slingshots in space not teleporters. So if the Mako is slingshotted towards the closed presidium mass relay how does it not tear a hole in the station?

[SwobyJ]

The Conduit is weird, yeah

 

Possibilities:

 

1)Rule of Cool. Just roll with it.

-I see this as possible.

 

2)It was a special design. Nothing more.

-I see this as unlikely.

 

3)The 'corridor' made by the Conduit Relay somehow is utterly separate from any physical obstacles. Another 'sub-dimension', manufactured to have different time and space rules. This has interesting implications, as it means that Mass Effect has had 'alternate dimensions' (of a sort) since the beginning .

-I see this as likely.

 

4)It's intentionally not supposed to make sense and *insert crazy theory*.

-My opinion will depend on the theory.

 

~~~~

 

So yeah, it's a slingshot in space, but *what space*? The way it appears, a whole other subspace is 'created' (or we at least temporarily enter it) in which we can safely travel through. Part wormhole, part mass effect FTL.

 

It's this level of technology that this cycle can barely understand. They understand the main uses of eezo and the mass effect, sure. And they might be able to construct their own mass relays if they put everything towards it (quite expensive). But the actual understanding of WTF this 'corridor' even IS, might be beyond our current knowledge.

 

So maybe the Conduit deal is a hint that yeah, the Mass Relays are not just a slingshot, but more of a slingshot through a realm of space-time that is otherwise inaccessible.

 

Or not. lol I dunno.

[SporkFu]

The conduit was made by Aperture Science: Speedy thing goes in, speedy thing comes out.

[ImaginaryMatter]

There's handwaves or some pseudo scientific reasons about why matter traveling through a relay can phase through matter. They all rely on some unknown-to-Mass-Effect-races physical property about mass relays (aka made up or speculated by me). Unfortunately if I get into it David might get a bee in his bonnet.

[shodiswe]

I think it was explained that the relays created a corridor of massless space or something like that.

If the space has no mass it won't react, so if the space between the two points has no space then there can be no collisions.

If something lacks mass then it's a waveform, so unless it combines with another wave(which is very rare they would have to match up, similar to how superwaves can be created at sea when the correct waveforms conect and the two waves combines.)

So, if the relays or in this case the conduit creates a corridor of mass free space then it would never hit the bulkheads since you arn't traveling through the physical bulkheads.

It won't matter if you travel through a planet at that point since you arn't really in the same space, but rather inbetween. Most space in matter is empty, it's a lot of nothing.
If it creates a corridor of mass free space then that means you travel through the empty areas and it somehow prevents you from itneracting with many other mass. Which would explain the term mass free, there is no mass between poinat A to point B.

This sounds very star Treky, because it is because the writers invented mass effect and decided that the relays can create a mass free corridor from point A to point B.
There you go, "spacemagic". AKA Sci-fi.

If you could create a corridor of space that won't allow interactionb etween masses, a mass free space then one mass would be able to pass through another without noticing each other. So, yeah, Mass effect when takes to an extreme would make it possible to move through matter.

Maybe that's similar to what those biotics in multiplayer are doing to shift through walls. move then cancel their mass to 0 momentarily and then shifting back. The thing about it, is that it seems highly unlikely that they can do that with such ease while their powers otherwise are so limited. It likely requires a massive amount of power and eezo from the description of how mass effect fields are generated, and I guess that mean it's another case of the rule of cool

If you could cancel out mass, then it can be done, it can be done in our world but the mass effect universe has the mass effect. The bulkheads shouldn't be a problem if all mass has been cenceled out in that corridor.


It's Sci-fi, if the writers want's it to work it will work. They could turn a person into a sofa and it would still be the way it is in the story.

But really, if you could cancel out all mass then it would work. There would be no mass to collide with in a mass free corridor of space.

[Kabooooom]

Shodiswe is correct. That's more or less exactly what the relays describe and because of that solid objects phase straight through each other during a relay transit. Think about it - they send ships across thousands of light years in a straight line nearly instantaneously. Now, space is big, and chances of hitting something are low but increase with distance. And objects in space move- including stars. If they didn't work this way, eventually with enough relay jumps you would pass right into a star or planet and die. Bad day for everyone.

The Conduit thing actually confused me for a long time too, OP. I missed this little noticed footnote in the codex about how the relays work.

[von uber]

Was it ever explained what happened to the conduit on the citadel? Was it destroyed? Examined? Ignored?
Also, when shep knew the citadel had its arms closed, why didn't she think to reuse this back door?

[Steelcan]

Rule O'Cool

[Mcfly616]

It was a one time thing...

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The Ilos Conduit was forgotten due to the Rule of Derp.

[DeinonSlayer]

Well... there is a giant hole in the wall of the Presidium behind it, visible after stumbling out of the Mako...

[Steelcan]

Well... there is a giant hole in the wall of the Presidium behind it, visible after stumbling out of the Mako...

There is also a massive space battle raging outside the Citadel

 

I'm pretty sure that the codex mentions that the relays create mass free corridors of space to send mass at incredible speeds, in this case it may have just simply bypassed the walls of the Presidium

[Excella Gionne]

When the Mako used the conduit aka Mini Mass Relay, it sets the mass of the Mako to zero, allowing the Mako to enter FTL speeds, and since the Mass Relay points directly to the Citadel Mass Relay Monument in the presidium it'll only allow anything to be shot right to where the Monument is. When the object is out of FTL it returns to normal mass. Mass Relays have a distance to how far they can shoot you, that is why you must take multiple relays just to get from a destination to another. Back to the Mako, when the Mako's Mass is reduced to zero it is in a state where the Mako cannot collide or interact with any object. I post'd a thread about this long ago. 

[AlanC9]

The Ilos Conduit was forgotten due to the Rule of Derp.

It'd have been really funny if ME3's endgame turned into even more of a rerun of ME1s.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

It'd have been really funny if ME3's endgame turned into even more of a rerun of ME1s.

 

They couldn't have that. So they gave us the Star Child. You know we've been dreaming about him the entire game. He was the vent kid. That was Harbinger's avatar. He was trolling Shepard. It had nothing to do with indoctrination.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Is there any explanation of why they didn't use the Conduit? It probably could have saved lives.

[AlexMBrennan]

Same way vanguards can phase through solid objects (unless they bug out again and Shepard gets stuck in midair) - eezo can do anything anyone wants.

[KaiserShep]

Is there any explanation of why they didn't use the Conduit? It probably could have saved lives.

 

The conduit on Ilos (and possibly the Citadel) might not have been active anymore. At the very least, this would explain why there was a countdown during the final run to the relay.

[AlanC9]

Something like that, yep. Or it could be as simple as the Reapers bombing the Ilos terminal. It's not like they don't know it's there.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Something like that, yep. Or it could be as simple as the Reapers bombing the Ilos terminal. It's not like they don't know it's there.

 

I was always under the impression Sovereign didn't tell them anything, which was why it was on it's lonesome for thousands of years when it apparently could have easily gotten help.

[von uber]

It'd have been really funny if ME3's endgame turned into even more of a rerun of ME1s.

I think it would have made an interesting closing of the circle.

[Kabooooom]

Was it ever explained what happened to the conduit on the citadel? Was it destroyed? Examined? Ignored?
Also, when shep knew the citadel had its arms closed, why didn't she think to reuse this back door?

Yeah, it's still there - right smack in the middle of the presidium. You can see if from the Councilor's office when visiting Anderson, barely visible behind some trees in the distance. The groundskeeper also comments on the flowers across from the Conduit being "nice this time of year". So not only is it still there, but they refer to it as the Conduit now instead of the Relay Monument. Even if the Ilos one was dead, you'd think the general public or the Council would be uneasy about it enough to remove the damned thing from the presidium. Guess not.

[KaiserShep]

Yeah, it's still there - right smack in the middle of the presidium. You can see if from the Councilor's office when visiting Anderson, barely visible behind some trees in the distance. The groundskeeper also comments on the flowers across from the Conduit being "nice this time of year". So not only is it still there, but they refer to it as the Conduit now instead of the Relay Monument. Even if the Ilos one was dead, you'd think the general public or the Council would be uneasy about it enough to remove the damned thing from the presidium. Guess not.

 

Not that it makes much difference. From the perspective of anyone with the information, the entire Citadel is a massive relay that could spontaneously open up at any time into dark space. There's just no way of knowing, since there's so much of the Citadel that remains unknown.

[Kabooooom]

They would have known that it required manual action from within the Citadel tower and handing control of the station over to a reaper, since that is what Saren was trying to do and the entire reason why they invaded the presidium in the first place. Even if they did deny the existence of the reapers instead of merely covering it up, they would still know about the manual control thing. So there's no reason why they would just ignore a potenti back door into the Presidium, even if the Ilos one was dead, as there would always be that possibility that it could be made functional again.

Not exactly a good defensive strategy right there. But then again, this is the Council.

[von uber]

So as far as we know it is still active, and everyone knows about Ilos. Still doesn't explain why Shep didn't reuse it; they had a couple of years to work out how it worked. It would stretch creduility that they wouldn't investigate it (even more so than it has to be stretched with every other single decision that has been made).