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[revan017]

The age old question, and I'm sorry for asking this here. I have read lots of forum posts and opinions about it, but I have a rather unique dilemma. And it is starting to cause me anguish.

 

It's my first time to play Mass Effect, and I'm planning to marathon it from 1-3. Right now, I'm in the mission before you choose if either Ashley or Kaidan dies and I cannot choose.
 

I'm playing a maleShep, who is a closeted homosexual in the military and harbors really strong feelings for Kaidan. Feelings which could be reciprocated many years from now, when Kaidan is more open. At this point, my maleShep just stands around, rejecting advances by Ashley and Laira, staring at Kaidan. And not putting him in any mission because he's afraid Kaidan might die. Unless they just go to the Citadel for shopping.

 

In a more meta perspective, my maleShep is a Sentinel, which means having Kaidan in my party is gratuitous and takes up a slot that could be given to a more offensive partner. Here comes Ashley, this girl who's been hitting on maleShep, and is almost always in the party because of her useful combat powers (especially when using Laira or Tali as the 3rd squadmate. I need pure Red power!) I feel that my maleShep has forged a strong friendship with Ashley. So strong.

 

But push comes to shove.

 

Friendship and Battle Usefulness (in ME1, that is) versus currently unreciprocated love and future Battle Usefulness in ME3.

 

AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRGH.

 

(Can I go back to playing Dragon Age now? No such decisions, except for DA2 and Seb could just die for all I care.)

[Zazzerka]

This is indeed a dilemma. If only you could swap the team around for each mission and get the best of both worlds.

 

If only...

[Vigilant111]

Well, I can tell you that even more skillful squadmates will come to your aid in later instalments, and I hope this isn't too much of a spoiler for you

[Mes]

Save which character you LIKE more, and it sounds to me like it's Kaidan! Battle usefulness? Pffft. Two Sentinels is awesome, and anyway I bet you'd be kicking yourself if you didn't use Ashley at all in ME3 because you liked other squad mates better.

 

Save the one ya love, mate. 

[DrBlingzle]

I'd say kaiden, he's the one I (almost) always pick. He just seems like a nicer person. Also if your playing a homosexual male shepard, if you ley kaiden die your cutting your options down by 50%(and the alternative is someone who is a genuinely decent person but has only just got over the death of his husband). As for usefulness, yes I can imagine Ashley would be better but I think its always better to go for storyline over gameplay in bioware games.

 

Anyway just my opinion, choose whatever you feel is right.

[Mordokai]

Personal opinion, I like Kaidan much more. And it's not like he's useless in ME1, far from it. And(this is once again coming from personal preferences), he becomes much stronger in the third game. I almost always take him on missions with me, whereas Ash is just sitting on the Normandy, twiddling her thumbs. So yeah, from my point, go with Kaidan.

 

If you want in game reason, have Kaidan guard the bomb, because he's more tech savvy and needs to arm it. Then, when get start dropping on the bomb site, double back and save Kaidan and the bomb. Because if the bomb doesn't go off, everything has been for nothing.

[caradoc2000]

A coin toss maybe?

 

Heads: Kaidan lives,

Tails: Ashley dies.

 

[RedCaesar97]

Save Kaidan. He is the better squadmate for a Sentinel in ME3. Plus two Sentinels and Liara in ME1 can just dominate: 3 lifts + singularity + 3 throws + at least one neural shock + possibly at least one Stasis? Who is left to shoot at you.

[cap and gown]

 

If you want in game reason, have Kaidan guard the bomb, because he's more tech savvy and needs to arm it. Then, when get start dropping on the bomb site, double back and save Kaidan and the bomb. Because if the bomb doesn't go off, everything has been for nothing.

 

This is a good RP reason to save Kaidan. Its what I do when I want Kaidan in ME3.

 

Of course, you can do the reverse: send Kaidan with the Salarians because he gets along better with aliens, then go save his butt at the AA tower because that will also save a bunch of your Salarian allies. (A more paragon Shepard.)

[SwobyJ]

Keep Kaidan. Express the most remorse as possible about Ashley. There you go.

[Concord]

I can relate! I marathoned all 3 games recently, always with the intent of getting with Kaidan! (I didn't even know about Virmire till like right before!) Even though I always knew I'd choose Kaidan, when it came down to it, it was so hard to leave Ash. I just don't like losing any companions in my playthroughs of these types of games. Go with what you want but as far as combat, in ME1, as long as you're not on insanity mode you'll be fine. Take wrex or garrus for more combat "red" stats. But from a fellow male shep kaidanmancer truuust me, it will be so worth it in ME3! (I still wish I could save them both! sigh...Only in my happy normandy dreamworld I suppose)

[revan017]

Thanks for the advice everyone! Just went with Kaidan. But when I said "I'm sorry" to Ashley and she replied, "I understand. I don't regret it."

 

I cried. I cried and I cried and I cried. :'( And I literally dealt as much hatred as damage against Sarren.

 

The only game that made me cry before this was Dragon Age: Origins.  But that was at the very end when everyone was saying goodbye because we're going up the tower. Those were tears of nostalgia and regret. This time, I honestly feel like a douche for killing Ashley.

[SwobyJ]

Get ready for the games to keep reminding you of it too.

 

Sidenote: Get all the story content DLC and learn the 'best' parts of the games to play them at! The trilogy is imo 1/3 less enjoyable without all that DLC included.

[BurningBlood]

Your choice is made so I'm not going to comment on the original question, other than to say that I personally like both characters equally and end up choosing one based on either squad composition or metagaming.

 

However, I disagree with your belief that having a second sentinel in the squad is superfluous.  It's actually somewhat unfortunate that one of the best squad combinations, in my experience, is sentinel Shep + Kaidan + Ashley.  Similarly, vanguard Shep + Wrex + Tali is a brutally effective squad - so much carnage!

 

Glad you're enjoying it this much.

[ME_Fan]

Kaidan is the higher ranking officer as we'll though, which i always bear in mind, so logic dictates that any military type character would usually save him.

[Remix-General Aetius]

Ashley turns out to be a total cow if she survives - assuming you haven't played ME2 or ME3 yet - so that's all I'm gonna say. Kaidan comes out of his shell and becomes a rather cool bro to have..........with benefits  - but you can tell that from my avatar.

 

Kaidan & Javik are a beast team!

 

as for SwobyJ's suggestion, indeed!

 

ME1 DLC

- Bring Down The Sky: it's given away for free now, it's a bonus stand-alone mission that doesn't have anything to do with Saren and the main plot.

 

- Pinnacle Station: give it a miss. very boring training camp - and you get a much better version in ME3.

 

ME2 DLC

- Zaeed "The Price of Revenge": your receive Zaeed Massani as a bonus squadmate, and he's really a beast! one of the best characters in the trilogy. such a shame his voice actor is now dead.

 

- Kasumi "Stolen Memory": you receive Kasumi Goto as a bonus squadmate, and she's a sweetie and pretty useful I might add. she's also got a very cool loyalty mission.

 

- Crash Site: it's not an action mission, you just land on a planet to retrieve some things that hold great sentimental value to Shepard & others.

 

- Project Overlord: it's actually a pretty decent set of stand-alone missions, so it gets my vote!

 

- Lair of the Shadow Broker: definitely a must-have, especially if you're a Liara fan. even if you're not, it's got great action and answers a few questions about Shepard.

 

- Arrival: another must-have as it bridges the ending of ME2 with the beginning of ME3. it's more action-oriented and it's a solo mission, without squadmates. It will remind you of "Bring Down The Sky" as both DLCs are situated on asteroid surfaces.

 

ME3 DLC

 

- Extended Cut: it's free and it's a must-have. SERIOUSLY.

 

- From Ashes: oh definitely a must-have! You receive Javik as a bonus squadmate, who is the biggest, funniest troll in the ME trilogy.

 

- Leviathan: it's lore-heavy and delves deep into the origins of the Reapers. the action is ok, but for me it could've been better. If you prefer lore over action, you'll love it.

 

- Omega: for me it's a must-have, especially if you end up loving Omega itself in ME2. it's action-heavy, not big on lore. lore-lovers hate it, action-lovers love it. personally I love it. you can't bring existing squadmates with you, but you get to team up with a real badass Asari and a female Turian mercenary. they are Omega-exclusive squadmates so after the mission is over, you can no longer take them with you.

 

- Citadel DLC: it's a stand-alone mission that has nothing to do with the main plot. on its own, it's a fun side mission, and you get to host a huge party with all the squadmates you teamed up with in the trilogy. it also has a battle arena and games. it's the final DLC of the trilogy, and personally I wish they had spent all the resources to improve the final ME3 mission.

 

personally whether I like or dislike certain DLC, I got all of them because they're chunks of the games. without them it's like playing only 60% of each game.

[Farangbaa]

Your choice is made so I'm not going to comment on the original question, other than to say that I personally like both characters equally and end up choosing one based on either squad composition or metagaming.

 

However, I disagree with your belief that having a second sentinel in the squad is superfluous.  It's actually somewhat unfortunate that one of the best squad combinations, in my experience, is sentinel Shep + Kaidan + Ashley.  Similarly, vanguard Shep + Wrex + Tali is a brutally effective squad - so much carnage!

 

Glad you're enjoying it this much.

 

There is no Liara in your team. It's sub-par

[Mcfly616]

It's your first time, do what you 'feel'. Honestly, I'd recommend just playing through the entire trilogy....then come back once you've done that.


For me, it's Ashley....every single time. She's a goddamn tank. I never have to worry about Ash hogging all the medigel. Hell, I die before Ash does. Kaidan on the other hand, he's good, but his skills don't excuse how much he annoys me.

[capn233]

I always saved Ash.

[Obadiah]

Planning this choice does make replays of Mass Effect somewhat morbid.

[revan017]

Hi everyone! Once again thanks for all the input! I'm really enjoying Mass Effect, and I am personally surprised as I absolutely dislike shooters. In fact, I think something about ME makes me like it even better than Dragon Age. And I thought DA was the best game ever.

 

I just finished ME2. Oh wow, that suicide mission. ME2 DLC, then on to ME3!

 

(Oh, and my role-playing MaleShep got heartbroken when Kaidan didn't even hug him on Horizon. :'( )

[Concord]

This time, I honestly feel like a douche for killing Ashley.

 

Remember you didn't kill Ash! Seren/the reapers did! T^T

A coin toss maybe?

 

Heads: Kaidan lives,

Tails: Ashley dies.

 

 

I just caught this

Hi everyone! Once again thanks for all the input! I'm really enjoying Mass Effect, and I am personally surprised as I absolutely dislike shooters. In fact, I think something about ME makes me like it even better than Dragon Age. And I thought DA was the best game ever.

 

I just finished ME2. Oh wow, that suicide mission. ME2 DLC, then on to ME3!

 

(Oh, and my role-playing MaleShep got heartbroken when Kaidan didn't even hug him on Horizon. :'( )

I felt the same way about shooters! That's one of the reasons I took so long to give it a chance even after I heard how good it was. Good luck with ME3!!

[Kurt M.]

I'd say it depends on you Shep's personality. If he's Paragon I'd say go for Kaidan, as you'd do an excellent couple, and there are always other soldiers out there (Grunt in ME2, James in ME3), so you'll only miss Ashley for Ilos and the assault on the Citadel. If he's Renegade he'll probably get along better with Ashley (although being religious and all of that....homosexuality and religion never got along well ).

 

Personally, I wish James could be romanced by a Maleshep Failing that, I'm hetero-romancing Jack. Most satisfying romance out there IMO.

[SwobyJ]

Ashley has absolutely no problem with homosexuals.

 

She believes in God in a vaguely traditional, yet broad sense. "Look at this galaxy, how big the universe is. Someone must have caused this."

[Akrabra]

Whatever you do! Send the one you want to die to handle the bomb, or else you won't save Captain Kirrahe, which is just the most badass Salarian ever.