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[crimzontearz]

poisonoustea wrote...

Need I remind you of the oh so many Anime/Manga that were censored in this way in our land?
Sailor Moon? Ken il Guerriero (AKA Hokuto no Ken), City Hunter (they called Ryo "hunter"....WTH!?!?!?!), hell do you remember what they did to E' Quasi Magia Johnny??? they started cutting out scenes in which you would see a japanese ideogram on the screen (rather than putting a subtitle translation) because "the public would not understand" so a 30 minutes episoded turned out to be like 20.

Well, that was censorship. They were removing stuff from a product, stuff which was deemed essential (or worth writing) by the original authors. But BioWare's work is not a transcript. Full nudity hasn't been "removed" from the game. They just wrote the stuff that way.

You could argue tho that this is not censorship UNLESS bioware wanted to put a full sex scene in it but someone at EA said "no"...which is not the case from what I understand.

Many people in here think M rated games should have full sex in it - actually it's not necessary. Violence, I repeat, is a powerful image which is essential to create the feeling of tension, suspence, whatever. Sex is not essential, it doesn't add any new information, in the purpose of storytelling, to what's happening.
It's clear that sex is happening in that video, what does it change if one sees it? What's important, and especially important in that specific relationship, was the exchange between the two characters - and something like that happens in real life too. It's not like "okay, let's have dramatic sex " and do that lousy movie stuff. There's always some exchange, some disclosure happening before actual sex happens, and that's what's really intimate, realistic and worth seeing in the story, and I repeat, that's besides my personal tastes.
By the way it's really sad to see that people are totally lacking imagination. If the scene cuts away from two clothed characters, they assume they're having clothed sex. That's just silly.

oh I was agreeing with you on that one, I was just saying that censorship is censorship whether is removes essential stuff or non essential details (like changing a name to make it more accessible....which is BS)

[CmdrFenix83]

poisonoustea wrote...

If you don`t want sex, you just shouldn`t choose to have a relationship or skip this moment.

Still not reading what I'm saying. I don't have time nor I care about explaining any further.
If you want to reply, please read with a bit more attention first.

And just like others are saying to you, what *you* want and believe isn't what others do.  You're entitled to your opinion that it detracts from the story, but you need to realize that others think otherwise.  To appease both, there should just be a 'skip' button available for the cutscene for the anal retentive.

[Emmebaragesi]

Aww, Tali's adorable! Wish we could've gotten to see her face though!

[N7soldier]

*evil laughter*

[Comadorefluffy]

Awsome! And on top Legion can be recruited

[RogueWriter3201]

It seems as if the proverbial 'Tali-mance Nation' have all had a chance to see what they were waiting for. Though, in point of fact, I should say 'we' given that the now famous Clips have converted me to the Tali Nation. I have made a few posts already concerning the Clips, Romance, etc, however I must agree with a previous Post that what made this Romace/Love Scene so poignant is how it is handled. Now, some might choose to call the scene 'Fan-Fic-y' but I would say it is simply done with a sense of honest realism; give or take certain Scientific theories. I digress. We really get a sense that Tali truly wants to see this relationship taken to the next level, but also genuine concern that her desires might bring them both into risk of illness. She takes her time, does the research, and even prepairs right up till the final moment. To me this demonstraits not only well plotted realism but dipicts in a very deep and touching capacity the lengths a person will go to and the risks one is willing to take for Love.

[CmdrFenix83]

poisonoustea wrote...

If you think sex is just in and out and can`t be used to show more and give something more deep, it`s not our fault.

Absolutely not, I just think that dialogue and the hints that are given in that video are more than enough to that purpose. There are books which describe the whole thing in detail, and in doing so they add a lot to the narrative because of the particular take of the author on the character's psychologies. But that's a particular kind of narrative in which that kind of things fits. In ME2 it wouldn't, or at least it would be gratuitous.
I mean, you get an external view on the characters, it's like watching a movie. Unless sex really has to be there, it can be avoided and just be hinted at - which actually is not a removal, but a "What they do in that bed afterwards, it's their stuff and you're free to imagine" approach to it - I don't see why that should be bad for the purpose of storytelling.

To appease both, there should just be a 'skip' button available for the cutscene for the anal retentive.

Another one who's not reading. I don't have a damn problem with sex, is it that hard to conceive?

I read your drivel.  Your point is that it's unnecessary.  My point is that there are people with an opinion different than yours that do want it in the scene.  Why should they alienate those that would like to see a scene on par with the ME1 just because there are people that don't think it should be there?  If you don't want it there, use the handy skip option I mentioned before and imagine until your heart's content. 

Personally, I just think the way BioWare is coming off from this is that the little report FOX did on ME1 scared them away from even partial nudity, made even more clear with how laughable the scenes were in DA:O(seriously, could you watch those without laughing at the absurdity of it?).

[Aisynia]

OLILIOLLOLOLIOLOLI wrote...

I'm from Delaware, /wave. Thats why I hate our system, it's ****ing backwards. I guess as Americans we love our blood and gore and hope that our children become murders when they group up. One of the things that frustrates me about our country.

That explains pretty much your entire backwards tirade. I suggest moving out of the country.

[mrao]

For me the voice acting is what elevates it (although I haven't seen all the clips). All the romances, should they follow the "chat em up, sex em up" formula in ME1 may end up being a little "fan fiction-y", but maybe my expectations are a little low. Of course, I doubt any of the crew expects to make it back from the suicide mission alive, which might factor into how these romances play out.

Modifié par mrao, 22 janvier 2010 - 07:50 .

[DharmaIniative108]

Wow this has turned into a flame war fast

[Mokthr]

DharmaIniative108 wrote...

Wow this has turned into a flame war fast

90% of all threads do, shouldn't be surprising.

[mrao]

DharmaIniative108 wrote...

Wow this has turned into a flame war fast

Once the game comes out and everyone plays it, any discussion about LI's will turn into a censorship argument.

[DharmaIniative108]

Tali should a meditation chamber like Darth Vader had. He probably had a worse immune system then her.

[Garlador]

If people want to see Tali naked, just look her up on rule 34. For the rest of us who feel that love, affection, and tenderness trump side-boobs and polygonal buttocks, the romance is JUST fine. Use your friggin' imaginations, people! If anything, a character like Tali practically demands a little imagination and a lot of commitment. Whoever said she was easy? And I much prefer it that way.

[CmdrFenix83]

poisonoustea wrote...

Why should they alienate those that would like to see a scene on par
with the ME1 just because there are people that don't think it should
be there?  If you don't want it there, use the handy skip option I
mentioned before and imagine until your heart's content.

Still not reading. Where did I say I'm against depiction of sex? Everyone's entitled to an opinion, but also everyone's entitled to be understood before being answered to. I'm saying they spent their time and efforts in another way which is better for the narrative. Better for the narrative doesn't mean "better for me", it means "better for the purpose of revealing what's happening between the characters".
Don't tell me that happened in ME. There was an unbelievable deatchment between the characters.

No.  You're saying that *in your opinion* it's better for the narrative.  It's subjective.  I never said you were against sex.  I said you were against the scene because you don't think it needs to be there.  Some people want it there.  If you don't think it 'fits' then they should just have a skip feature and let you imagine whatever you want.  It pleases both groups.  Don't preach about people not reading or understanding when you clearly don't yourself.

[Xenos42]

glenboy24 wrote...

It seems as if the proverbial 'Tali-mance Nation' have all had a chance to see what they were waiting for. Though, in point of fact, I should say 'we' given that the now famous Clips have converted me to the Tali Nation. I have made a few posts already concerning the Clips, Romance, etc, however I must agree with a previous Post that what made this Romace/Love Scene so poignant is how it is handled. Now, some might choose to call the scene 'Fan-Fic-y' but I would say it is simply done with a sense of honest realism; give or take certain Scientific theories. I digress. We really get a sense that Tali truly wants to see this relationship taken to the next level, but also genuine concern that her desires might bring them both into risk of illness. She takes her time, does the research, and even prepairs right up till the final moment. To me this demonstraits not only well plotted realism but dipicts in a very deep and touching capacity the lengths a person will go to and the risks one is willing to take for Love.

This. Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo this. And the point is emphasized after you play her recruitment and loyalty missions. After watching her suffer through those events, seeing how she reacted to your affections sealed the deal for me. The Tali romance is by far the best Bioware has done so far, and it changed me from bored indiffrence into a diehard fan. I'll be making a Male shep just so I can say I played it myself. 

[KingGato]

Whether or not more graphic sex scenes should be in games, I think it seems reasonable that if any romance in the game is going to have a bit of a tamer love scene, it should be Tali. Heck, the tiny bit of clip from the Miranda scene is certainly racier than anything that was in ME1, and I can't imagine the Jack scene is more reserved.



By and large it looks like the Tali romance was absolutely nailed out of the park, especially compared to those in Mass Effect 1. Despite the different personalities offered, all three of the previous interests more or less pursued you. Tali's definitely seems to take a different angle. I can only hope the other five are as well done!

[LexRage]

I hope it will be a story with a "happy end", not something like Viconia or Morrigan romance.

[slmisfit]

Are you TRYING to get all the ME2 feeds taken down? What is wrong with people?