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[GruntKitterhand]

 

cyclonics etc would just get you laughed at by the other Krogans in the changing room.

 

Not as much as that time I advocated the use of a Talon on the Krodept 

 

I've settled on the 2-charge BH, after much experimentation.  I'm not saying it's better than what Jeremiah or OniGanon recommend, just a personal preference that seems to be the most effective for my playstyle.  I have to be honest though and say he's my least favourite Krogan by some distance, and can see that successfully combining both hammers should lead to more enjoyment overall.  I just find it doesn't work that way in practice.

[Miniditka77]

I don't think different hammers are better or worse for different factions, so much as they are better or worse for different types of enemies.  Biotic Hammer is better against boss-type enemies, and Electric Hammer is better against mooks.  I like to do U/U instead of picking map and enemy, so I usually max both hammers.

[Tokenusername]

i love the way egrid says 'Jon snooow!'

I KNOW! It's the only way I'll say it now.

[capn233]

I only spec one at a time, I used to use Biotic, but now am running Electric.  Electric is better for combo spam and a bit better against groups of enemies.

 

Spec'ing out of "passives" doesn't make sense, since Rage is a passive.   I suppose you can spec out of Krogan Warlord. although you probably won't be switching between two different hammers in the same match anyway.  Could save on reset cards if you just have to try use one or the other with certain other classes on the team.

[Genghis Johnson]

I used a 66606 build for a long time and had tons of fun with it. That build is perfectly viable on Gold and infinitely lulzy on lower levels.

 

But I recently switched to  a no-electrical hammer build with the Krogan Warlord tree specced for power damage, and I gotta say it seems better. The additional power damage makes the biotic hammer even more dangerous. The extra weight capacity lets me carry a Wraith X with the super duper melee attachment and still maintain a fast cooldown. Carrying a Wraith + the additional weapon damage from passives provides a standoff capability I couldn't even dream of with the other build. And, as TopTrog pointed out, you basically get four biotic hammerfalls with no cooldown at all. Ain't much gonna survive that. 

[didacuscarr]

Actually, it really doesn't.
 
We're talking about about an AoE of 15 meters. Only one target is getting melee damage ahead of EH damage. Everything else, within 7.6 meters of the KroLord is getting EH damage (plus any shield/barrier bonus) and DoT Fire damage (and is primed for a Fire explosion) as well as taking damage from any fire or tech combo caused by detonating the melee target (it's both a primer and a detonator.)
 
It's only the Biotic Hammer that is really effected by the fact that the melee damage is done up front. With EH, all but one target is unaffected by melee damage anyway, because it is an AoE power, not a single-target one.

Both are affected, but it doesn't matter or is actually good for BH, because armour is the last defense. BH has a 2m radius iirc.

Still BH>EH. Unless you only use him against geth, which is the most boring faction to fight with him imo. As much as I hate Geth.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Both are affected

 

Err, no. As I just explained, EH doesn't do melee damage, it does power damage. All but one target will receive no melee damage up front, just EH's power damage and bonuses. Unless someone tested that the AoE is bugged (and in my experience the AoE works just fine) than it does its bonus damage vs shields/barriers.

 

BH has a 2m radius iirc.
 

 

There's no AoE listed under Biotic Hammer, and I only ever hit one target when I use it. Do you know where I'd find the AoE listed?

[didacuscarr]

Err, no. As I just explained, EH doesn't do melee damage, it does power damage. All but one target will receive no melee damage up front, just EH's power damage and bonuses. Unless someone tested that the AoE is bugged (and in my experience the AoE works just fine) than it does its normal damage vs shields/barriers.



There's no AoE listed under Biotic Hammer, and I only ever hit one target when I use it. Do you know where I'd find the AoE listed?

Is my english that bad..?

Never killed 3 targets with 1 BH?

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Is my english that bad..?

Never killed 3 targets with 1 BH?

 

Nope. A couple at once I think a few times. Maybe I never caught them close enough together. In any case, would I find it in the "hidden properties" thread?

[MaxCrushmore]

Biotic hammer does have an AOE effect .. I have many times killed 2 targets which were beside each other .. don't know abouth actual stats behind it though

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I checked Cyonan's thread.

 

Just for completeness of information, the AoE on Biotic Hammer is 1.5 M, and it can damage up to 2 targets.

[didacuscarr]

Nope. A couple at once I think a few times. Maybe I never caught them close enough together. In any case, would I find it in the "hidden properties" thread?

No clue, sorry.

[didacuscarr]

I checked Cyonan's thread.

Just for completeness of information, the AoE on Biotic Hammer is 1.5 M, and it can damage up to 2 targets.

The target cap of 2 is only on the power itself, right? Could explain "melee" in the killfeed. Can EH hit more? If not, that would be retarded.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

The target cap of 2 is only on the power itself, right? Could explain "melee" in the killfeed.

 

It would only apply to the power, but I'm not sure under what circumstances it wouldn't count one of them as the target of the actual melee damage itself. It would have to involve the order in which all the damage is determined.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Can EH hit more?

 

4 Targets.

 

"Hidden properties" lists the true radius at 4M. The Power tooltip lists a 7.6M radius (which I understand is actually the diameter) so I would have guessed that the true radius was 3.8 M, but I don't even know how the in game "meters" really work, or whether the avatar's profile has any impact on the center of effect.

[Almurat89]

I want to ask about BH 6a evo. Is it worthless? In comparing w/ BH 6b, of course.

[Simba501]

I want to ask about BH 6a evo. Is it worthless? In comparing w/ BH 6b, of course.

 

I guess, in theory, you could knock phantoms off their feet, which is never worthless.  I don't remember using 6A long enough to remember.

 

However, I would find 1 charge cumbersome.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I want to ask about BH 6a evo. Is it worthless? In comparing w/ BH 6b, of course.

 

It's not worthless, but when I used BH I took the extra charge. The way I tended to use melee, the target was usually dead, or staggered long enough for me to finish them, without needing any additional ragdoll effect.

[robarcool]

Only biotic hammer.

Also, equip the Crusader with the omni blade and armor piercing mod and run with disruptor ammo.

[Cyonan]

4 Targets.

 

"Hidden properties" lists the true radius at 4M. The Power tooltip lists a 7.6M radius (which I understand is actually the diameter) so I would have guessed that the true radius was 3.8 M, but I don't even know how the in game "meters" really work, or whether the avatar's profile has any impact on the center of effect.

 

4 meters would be the base radius. I imagine you've taken both radius increasing evolutions which would put it at 7.6M.

 

Actually if radius is listed on the tooltip I'm not sure why I would have even put it on that list, as it's not hidden.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

4 meters would be the base radius. I imagine you've taken both radius increasing evolutions which would put it at 7.6M.

 

Actually if radius is listed on the tooltip I'm not sure why I would have even put it on that list, as it's not hidden.

 

Yes, that's true, I forgot I had both of those evolutions taken when I checked.

 

Just to double-check, the tooltip does actually mean diameter, even though it says radius? 15M diameter would be quite a power!

[Cyonan]

Yes, that's true, I forgot I had both of those evolutions taken when I checked.

 

Just to double-check, the tooltip does actually mean diameter, even though it says radius? 15M diameter would be quite a power!

 

I believe they do really mean diameter.

 

Their definition of 1 meter also is kind of off, but that's harder to get an accurate reading on.

[MGW7]

Power hammer evo is only good if you don't take melee damage bonuses, which defeats the entire point of the character.

 

The reason I say is because if you are speced into melee the damage will kill any targets the power effects (dragoons, pyros, and phantoms)

[NuclearTech76]

Does the base heavy melee have a radius?

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Does the base heavy melee have a radius?

 

I'd be interesting to know that, too.

 

From what I've seen, I think it has a small AoE with a target limit of 1. I seem to be able to kill enemies who are actually off to the side a short distance.