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[geth47]

Rosey, I see your point. However, if a certain character express a certain taste, that´s part of his or her lore. If a person is open to both hetero or ****** relationships, he or she is bisexual. Plain simple. It fits the criteria.  

 

In  mass effect and dragon age, whenever you take a certain character with you or talks to them, they can reveal certain facts regarding their culture or their past. And such facts are part of the lore. While a certain character might only had consummated a gay relationship in a certain play, it does not alter the fact that he is open to the possibility. Even if my shep was a female in me3, I know that kaidan is open to the idea of being involved with a male. He might not reveal this to my female shep, but based on other plays i know this info. 

 

You know, years ago the very idea of games showcasing homosexuality was rejected. Nowadays, it seems that games not only have to portrait it and offer as a possibility, but they can´t even bar a certain character from being ****** with the npc of his or her choosing without being labeled as "against equality". This is a really sick and dangerous mentality. It´s a matter of concern. Since when equality involves being able to have a romance with whoever you like? Real-life persons can reject you, among other reasons, for being from the same gender. Why can´t you deal with it in a videogame? Why not, instead of forcing a weird revolution inside the game, merely choosing a compatible character in order to achieve your goal? In the old days, you had to plan your strategy in order to reach your objectives. Now it´s an agenda, that alters the objective in order to reach out to you. I have no fear in saying I don´t like what I´m seeing. 

[geth47]

"What exactly do you mean by "my kind"?"

 

I´ll leave for you to ponder about. Something you don´t seem to be good at either. Go thinking, boy.

[AresKeith]

Even the Anders and Leliana examples you give are laughably minute details.  Personally I think every LI should be bixesual in canon.  I use the term "playersexuality" because I realize that, for whatever reason, some straight people have a hard time imagining their LI as anything other than straight, so they'd prefer to leave it up to interpretation.  Either way, inclusion is important and it's worth the sacrifice.

 

So how is suggesting 2/2/2 which just about everyone here who's not for "playersexual" against inclusion?

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

I can see why sadly. In Jade Empire the amount of 'OMG WHY IS MY LI AVAILABLE TO MEN TOO?' was utterly astounding. And you had to go out of your way to find Sky's m/m romance. Even before DA2 came out there was the whole "Fenris shouldn't be bisexual cause he'd lose his mysteriousness" kind of crap.

Id say bad reactions to LGBT characters were worse with BW's earlier games, i remember the hate Juhani got when it was known she liked females & it seemed stupid to me.

[Ryzaki]

"What exactly do you mean by "my kind"?"

 

I´ll leave for you to ponder about. Something you don´t seem to be good at either. Go thinking, boy.

 

*blinks*

 

I'm not male for one thing so...my kind indeed. So you don't actually have any type of player in mind then? Because I'm not sure who you're talking about. I'm perfectly fine with consequences in games.

 

Id say bad reactions to LGBT characters were worse with BW's earlier games, i remember the hate Juhani got when it was known she liked females & it seemed stupid to me.

 

It's always been stupid. But yeah thankfully it's dying down. I can only look forward to the day it's completely gone.
 

[radishson]

So how is suggesting 2/2/2 which just about everyone here who's not for "playersexual" against inclusion?

 

It's inclusive, but needlessly restrictive.  How does the thought of your LI being potentially available to the same sex ruin your gameplay in ANY way?  On the other hand, it can drastically improve another person's gameplay.  2/2/2 is turning into an excuse for closeted homophobes to choose straight LIs, honestly.

[Rosey]

I find this really confusing. Are you saying a person has no sexuality unless they specifically state it to you somewhere? Doesn't the fact that they are both willingly to start a romance with either gender confirm that they are indeed bisexual?

 

Try to expand on this because I don't understand.

 

1. "Are you saying a person has no sexuality unless they specifically state it to you somewhere?"

 

No. I'm saying that the writers did not have those characters EXPRESS their personal sexuality in a way that would set them as one preference or another. Thus, effectively making them non-sexual (or rather in this case player-sexual) until such time that the PC shows some interest in them. Then due almost completely to the worldstate created (per PC being male/female and expressing interest in the non-sexual character) the character suddenly becomes straight/gay. And in some cases (like for example Merrill) ONLY towards the PC.

 

It also works by having said characters pre-set, et al la Isabela, as Bisexual, or Anders as pansexual. These two express their individual sexualities, where upon Merrill and Fenris do not UNTIL the PLAYER initiates. That is Player-sexual.

 

2. "Doesn't the fact that they are both willingly to start a romance with either gender confirm that they are indeed bisexual?"

 

No it doesn't. Technically speaking, neither Merrill NOR Fenris are willing to start a romance with "Either Gender". They are only willing to start a romance with Hawke, who through meta-gaming we know can be either female or male. Yet while -WE- as players know they can romance both genders, it does NOT make them "Bisexual". In that CURRENT worldstate they are only attracted (or find themselves attracted rather) to the player character. And ONLY, for the most part, the player character.

 

It gets a little bit muddled in the case of Fenris, but then he himself isn't sexual at all (if you don't romance him at all) until the very end of the game when Isabela and he decide to hook up a couple of times. Which can then lead to us knowing he CAN be considered bisexual, but only in romanced male hawke playthroughs.

 

 

Basically we're privy to the sexuality of Anders and Isabela... and never made aware of Fenris and Merrill's sexuality. Since they're(Merrill/Fenris) preferences depend upon the Worldstate, the only people who ACTUALLY know what they prefer if asked, are the writers

[Allan Schumacher]

I'm closing this thread.

 

Since I can abuse "last word" power, I'm going to...

 

 

Since when equality involves being able to have a romance with whoever you like? Real-life persons can reject you, among other reasons, for being from the same gender.

 

None of our games let you romance anyone that you like.  Further, DA2 does have people that reject you.  This argument is invalid, and stuff like this I will be growing increasingly intolerant towards, as I will consider it intentional derailing of threads and/or trolling.

[Allan Schumacher]

I will add one more thing:

 

It is okay to think that something like 2/2/2 is a better implementation.  It's okay to think that all the romances being available to everyone is not as interesting.  It's not okay to talk down to others because they happen to like something like this.