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[geth47]

Frankly, we do live in the internet era. You can easily find guides to games, wikias, even video tutorials on youtube.

 

If you want to romance a certain character, it should no hassle at all to become educated on how to use a compatible character. I once wanted to date Samara in ME2, but this was not possible. I did not become a crybaby because of this. I merely accepted the restriction imposed by the game. Samara can´t be romanced at all. Same goes from Traynor in ME3 if you use a male shep. 

 

If I want to use a certain power, equip a certain piece, going a certain route, exploring a certain path, I am aware that the game has restrictions. I might not be able to use a certain combination of powers with a single character, nor having a mage dwarf, , or being able to date a character because of X or Y characteristic. 

 

If my character can reject the prospect of  certain possibles love interest (including based on gender), I see no reason why complex NPCs could not do the same. It would be akin to real life. 

 

The insecurities and immaturities of certain "open minded" and lgbt individuals (not all of them, of course) are really making a disservice not only to their cause (which can be noble in certain instances) but to the whole gaming community.  Rejection and restrictions are not only part of life, but part of complex rpgs as well. Instead of helping the rpgs becoming more complex with diversity, they are actually becoming a battleground for an agenda that actually simplify matters and impose a really forced and artificial reality in order to shield peoples insecurities from even the possibility of failure, rejection and criticism. This is not true diversity, nor a sign of games becoming more mature. It´s actually the other way around. 

[Xilizhra]

Frankly, we do live in the internet era. You can easily find guides to games, wikias, even video tutorials on youtube.

 

If you want to romance a certain character, it should no hassle at all to become educated on how to use a compatible character. I once wanted to date Samara in ME2, but this was not possible. I did not become a crybaby because of this. I merely accepted the restriction imposed by the game. Samara can´t be romanced at all. Same goes from Traynor in ME3 if you use a male shep. 

 

If I want to use a certain power, equip a certain piece, going a certain route, exploring a certain path, I am aware that the game has restrictions. I might not be able to use a certain combination of powers with a single character, nor having a mage dwarf, , or being able to date a character because of X or Y characteristic. 

 

If my character can reject the prospect of  certain possibles love interest (including based on gender), I see no reason why complex NPCs could not do the same. It would be akin to real life. 

 

The insecurities and immaturities of certain "open minded" and lgbt individuals (not all of them, of course) are really making a disservice not only to their cause (which can be noble in certain instances) but to the whole gaming community.  Rejection and restrictions are not only part of life, but part of complex rpgs as well. Instead of helping the rpgs becoming more complex with diversity, they are actually becoming a battleground for an agenda that actually simplify matters and impose a really forced and artificial reality in order to shield peoples insecurities from even the possibility of failure, rejection and criticism. This is not true diversity, nor a sign of games becoming more mature. It´s actually the other way around. 

Samara can be romanced if you pursue it through Citadel. With less content, but it exists.

 

And again, nothing about what you say seems to speak of anything other than being mad at other people having options in a way that doesn't affect your game. Unless you get off on romantic rejection, in which case people like Aveline would be right up your alley.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Not a female so Im not allowed to post here.

[TK514]

While I wouldn't say I 'get off on rejection', I did find Aveline, Samantha and Samara (in ME2) a refreshing change of pace.  It was nice to have someone who didn't want to jump in the sack after three conversations and a loyalty mission.  I enjoyed the relationships that developed with all three characters as they were.

[redkuchen]

I'm all for playersexuality. I don't see the point in limiting it, if only for realism. However I am not totally opposed to it.

 

Plus the inquisitor is just so damn irresistible that everyone wants them. ;D

[Xilizhra]

While I wouldn't say I 'get off on rejection', I did find Aveline, Samantha and Samara (in ME2) a refreshing change of pace.  It was nice to have someone who didn't want to jump in the sack after three conversations and a loyalty mission.  I enjoyed the relationships that developed with all three characters as they were.

Then don't flirt with them. Problem solved for everyone in DA2 except Anders, problem solved for likely everyone in DAI. In any case Samara wanted to but felt it was impossible.

[DrBlingzle]

Not a female so Im not allowed to post here.

I'm sorry what? I'm a guy and I've posted here.

[geth47]

"You say this, but give no actual way in which bisexuality hurts you, the player."

 

Dude, it´s not about being hurt. Quit the hoper-sensitivity, ok? And please don´t appy such garbage to me. 

 

I also don´t like the idea of every class in mass effect becoming proficient with all the weapons. It does not hurt me (oh, poor me!) as a person, but as a player, I think it removes something from the strategic planning and diversity of the classes. If you can have and do everything, with every character, in a single play, it takes something from the replay value. Games with focus on strategy and replay-value should not be totally open, but actually restricting base one the choices you make. Whenever you chose something, you might have to give up another thing. But some people don´t like any kind of restraints. 

 

I´m not against the idea of SOME characters being bissexual. I´m against the notion that each and everyone of them should be, with no possibility of your character not being a suitable option for them.  

 

"You appear to be getting mad at the ability of other PCs to avoid rejection."

 

Yes, because such ability becomes the imposed rule for all of the players. I don´t like the idea of an elcor vanguard, or a biotic geth, or a mage dwarf, or a qunari rogue. You can´t have everything in life, at the same time. If you want to have a full experience, you must try different paths, different plays, different styles.

 

RPGs should try to become more mature and complex, and not hiding places for insecure, twisted or sick persons who take issue if not being able to romance character A of B because of element X or Y on their bult.  Please, grow up, or seek help.

[Cainhurst Crow]

I'm sorry what? I'm a guy and I've posted here.

Nope. OP's wording was clear. Only females allowed to post in this thread. Gonna respect that wish.

Enjoy your day ma'am.

[TK514]

Then don't flirt with them. Problem solved for everyone in DA2 except Anders, problem solved for likely everyone in DAI. In any case Samara wanted to but felt it was impossible.

 

If only that's how BioWare games worked.  "Being nice" has generally been taken as "Being interested", with a few exceptions.  It's why there have been so many complaints about 'ninjamancing' over the years.

[EmissaryofLies]

If only that's how BioWare games worked.  "Being nice" has generally been taking as "Being interested", with a few exceptions.  It's why there have been so many complaints about 'ninjamancing' over the years.

 

Pretty much. 

 

I've a better appreciation for how some of my friends feel day to day. 

[Xilizhra]

Dude, it´s not about being hurt. Quit the hoper-sensitivity, ok? And please don´t appy such garbage to me.

I assure you that I am as calm as a frozen pond, good sir. Also, I'm not your dude.

 

I also don´t like the idea of every class in mass effect becoming proficient with all the weapons. It does not hurt me (oh, poor me!) as a person, but as a player, I think it removes something from the strategic planning and diversity of the classes. If you can have and do everything, with every character, in a single play, it takes something from the replay value. Games with focus on strategy and replay-value should not be totally open, but actually restricting base one the choices you make. Whenever you chose something, you might have to give up another thing. But some people don´t like any kind of restraints.

That's why weight restrictions exist. Thus giving you even more ability to plan and customize depending on how big a hit you're willing to take to your power recharge rate.

 

I´m not against the idea of SOME characters being bissexual. I´m against the notion that each and everyone of them should be, with no possibility of your character not being a suitable option for them.

Attempt to romance Aveline. See what happens.

 

Yes, because such ability becomes the imposed rule for all of the players. I don´t like the idea of an elcor vanguard, or a biotic geth, or a mage dwarf, or a qunari rogue. You can´t have everything in life, at the same time. If you want to have a full experience, you must try different paths, different plays, different styles.

 

RPGs should try to become more mature and complex, and not hiding places for insecure, twisted or sick persons who take issue if not being able to romance character A of B because of element X or Y on their bult.  Please, grow up, or seek help.

Romances aren't mechanical. As such, they have nothing to do with the kind of strategic planning you prefer. And, at the end, RPGs should ideally contain fun; I don't entirely see the point of restricting options for the sake of people who wouldn't take them to begin with.

 

 

If only that's how BioWare games worked.  "Being nice" has generally been taken as "Being interested", with a few exceptions.  It's why there have been so many complaints about 'ninjamancing' over the years.

Hence the invention of the glorious heart icon.

[geth47]

"Samara can be romanced if you pursue it through Citadel. With less content, but it exists."

 

Actually, she´s not a true romance option, just like Javik and Vega.

 

For the whole ME2 experience, she could not be romanced, and would actually walk away from the room if you tried to insist. 

 

Years later, on a comedic DLC filled with fanservice, Bioware, trying to please the audience (with their reputation hurt after the ME3 ending fiasco) gave this little bone. 

"And again, nothing about what you say seems to speak of anything other than being mad at other people having options in a way that doesn't affect your game."

 

It´s not other people who have option. Frankly, if they wanted to use a cheat or console command and hack the game to their personal taste, I would take no issue. It´s not an option for them, but an imposed rule for all, get this through your head. I want some restrictions, I want characters true to life, with complexies, tastes, turn ons and turn offs. 

 

And for the record, this has nothing to do with oppress certain people, wishing harm to them or trying to eliminate any chance of them having fun. But frankly, if the only option for fun for certain individuals are rpgs with bland characters that can romance you no matter your constitution, and they will pick up forks to protest if this is not the case, then I will say: You do have issues. Serious issues. Seek help. And don´t try to impose your idea of reality to the whole community, just to shield you from rejection. 

[Gtdef]

I always thought that romances in dragon age are simple and not really engaging. In DAO the approval system was kinda stupid. I mean yea ok, you agree with the guy, you eventually sleep with the guy. The more guys you agree with, the more guys you sleep with as long as the game permits it. It made so little sense that I actually never understood the point of party members to be strictly heterosexual. Morrigan certainly had no reason to be straight. I'd argue the same with Alistair. He was vulnerable, ripe for the picking by anyone with half a brain. 

 

In DA2 they tried to keep the same model but did more things wrong. First of all they forced the romances on you. Second they streamlined the curve so that you will consumate the relationship at the same time which makes little to no sense. They did it so well with mass effect 2, Miranda is the girl that makes you wait, Jack is the other way around, and you are actually given the option to do something about it. It's funny that Isabella would wait so long to get down with it for example. It would make more sense that she'd rape you first thing and then you'll have to woo her.

 

And since most people actually want freedom in the matter, I'd argue that the best approach would be to give freedom, make them all playersexual, but make some of them annoying, so other than the physical part, you won't really enjoy the "romance". The Jack Quicky approach is good. Other approach would be for someone to cheat on his partner and then want to make things right again. The "yesterday i was drunk, today I don't really like you" can work too. That actually allows you to play your character how you like. Is he a rake of the worst proportions? Is he traditional/righteous? 

I'd argue that to have a real romance out of party would make more sense. Witcher 2 actually did it right altough it had the advantage of an established history of the protagonist while in da3 you make do as you go.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Why are qunari rogues suddenly not a possible thing? That's the entire job of the ben-hassrath and qunari assassin's. It's In the lore.

[TK514]

 

Hence the invention of the glorious heart icon.

 

I absolutely agree there.  I know it's a bone of contention, but I for one was quite happy with DA2's conversational icons.

[Allan Schumacher]

That I would need to see them that way is exactly a part of the problem. Why do I have this group of companions who are "pre-selected by fate" for sexual orientation? I feel this oddity would need an in-world explanation. In order for such an explanation to appear plausibly present in the story, the story would need to deal with sexuality as a theme.....

 

So the issue for you, then, is the "plausibility" of meeting people that happen to be bisexual?

 

 

Anders is not even bisexual in DA2, he is playersexual depending which gender selected for player character.

 

I'm definitely of the opinion that Anders is bisexual.

[geth47]

"Then don't flirt with them. Problem solved for everyone in DA2 except Anders, problem solved for likely everyone in DAI. In any case Samara wanted to but felt it was impossible."

 

 

Oh, ok! And what about the complexity of the npc, if he or she or it responds to your character the same way?

 

So, all I have to do is never to pick use magic abilities for my dwarf. Not to add biotic powers to the geth. And them let people have fun with such strange builts.

 

How oppressive of me to suggest to people that to suck and whistle at the same time is a strange idea.

 

If you really think that an elcor vanguard would enrich the game, instead of having restrictions, I can only feel sorry for the lack of common sense.  

 

And in ME, not all class have the same proficiency with weapons. And even in ME3, the weight limitation acts as a form o penalty, a restriction. Even in ME3 I can not have cloak and charge on the same built. 

[Xilizhra]

"Samara can be romanced if you pursue it through Citadel. With less content, but it exists."

 

Actually, she´s not a true romance option, just like Javik and Vega.

 

For the whole ME2 experience, she could not be romanced, and would actually walk away from the room if you tried to insist. 

 

Years later, on a comedic DLC filled with fanservice, Bioware, trying to please the audience (with their reputation hurt after the ME3 ending fiasco) gave this little bone. 

"And again, nothing about what you say seems to speak of anything other than being mad at other people having options in a way that doesn't affect your game."

 

It´s not other people who have option. Frankly, if they wanted to use a cheat or console command and hack the game to their personal taste, I would take no issue. It´s not an option for them, but an imposed rule for all, get this through your head. I want some restrictions, I want characters true to life, with complexies, tastes, turn ons and turn offs. 

 

And for the record, this has nothing to do with oppress certain people, wishing harm to them or trying to eliminate any chance of them having fun. But frankly, if the only option for fun for certain individuals are rpgs with bland characters that can romance you no matter your constitution, and they will pick up forks to protest if this is not the case, then I will say: You do have issues. Serious issues. Seek help. And don´t try to impose your idea of reality to the whole community, just to shield you from rejection. 

In terms of RPing, Samara finally allows herself into the romance. And if you think being bisexual isn't "true to life," that's rather odd. Also odd is your insistence that our side is literally incapable of having fun except via romancing people you don't think should be able to be romanced.

 

 

"Then don't flirt with them. Problem solved for everyone in DA2 except Anders, problem solved for likely everyone in DAI. In any case Samara wanted to but felt it was impossible."

 

 

Oh, ok! And what about the complexity of the npc, if he or she or it responds to your character the same way?

 

So, all I have to do is never to pick use magic abilities for my dwarf. Not to add biotic powers to the geth. And them let people have fun with such strange builts.

 

How oppressive of me to suggest to people that to suck and whistle at the same time is a strange idea.

 

If you really think that an elcor vanguard would enrich the game, instead of having restrictions, I can only feel sorry for the lack of common sense.  

 

And in ME, not all class have the same proficiency with weapons. And even in ME3, the weight limitation acts as a form o penalty, a restriction. Even in ME3 I can not have cloak and charge on the same built. 

An elcor vanguard would certainly not break the game for me. Why it would for you is somewhat unclear, but that's far more clear than why you're equating something based solely on roleplaying--romances--with mechanical gameplay restrictions.

[AlanC9]

That's why weight restrictions exist. Thus giving you even more ability to plan and customize depending on how big a hit you're willing to take to your power recharge rate.

I can see a case for wanting less class flexibility, though. Playing a pistol-only class in ME1 was different from playing the same class in ME3 with a low-weight SMG and a sniper rifle. Sure, you could do a pistol-only run in ME3 if you wanted to gimp yourself, but I find imposing such limits unfun, relatively speaking. (I think it's an RP thing.)

But I don't see how this would apply to the current topic. My male Hawkes don't hit on Fenris, and my females don't hit on Merrill -- so far, anyway -- and I don't have a problem with thinking of them as straight for the duration of the playthrough.

[AresKeith]

I laugh at everyone who says they like equality but prefer the three way LI split. "Waaah I have a hard time picturing character X as gay because I have meta knowledge!" You are literally arguing against equality, because you are arguing against everyone having access to the LI of their choice.

Each route is equality

[Star fury]

I'm definitely of the opinion that Anders is bisexual.

 

Gaider should've never said comments about "playersexual" characters. All it did just confused plain, average minds on bsn, some even suddenly started to call straight characters from Origins "playersexual".

[AlanC9]

"Then don't flirt with them. Problem solved for everyone in DA2 except Anders, problem solved for likely everyone in DAI. In any case Samara wanted to but felt it was impossible."
 
 
Oh, ok! And what about the complexity of the npc, if he or she or it responds to your character the same way?

Just to be clear, you're actually asking for the opportunity to engage with flirtations with NPCs that are turned down because your PC is of the wrong gender?

[Zyree]

Hi! I am bi and I exist! 

 

I wouldn't mind having set sexuality for LIs (though I prefer everyone being bisexual). But I do not understand why content that people do not need to engage in bothers them so much. Just don't click the big giant flirt button and poof! In every case but Anders, problem is solved.

[geth47]

"In terms of RPing, Samara finally allows herself into the romance."

 

On a surreal and devoted to fan-service DLC that acts more like an episode 100 or Christmas special? 

 

It does not change the fact that for the whole ME2 experience, there´s no samara romance. She let her hair (or tentacles) down on a DLC released to save face for bioware and please fans that does not even count as a romance achievement. Clearly, one should be able to see the difference between full-fledged romances, carried romances and mere citadel bone with javik, james and samara. 

 

"And if you think being bisexual isn't "true to life," that's rather odd. Also odd is your insistence that our side is literally incapable of having fun except via romancing people you don't think should be able to be romanced."

 

And here you are, not only proving my assertion, but also being (unsurprisingly) intellectually dishonest, because if you actually go back and read my posts you will see, you liar, that I actually defended the notion of not only homos, but also bis-sexual characters. What I rejected was the imposed and artificial.

 

By the way, in your sick determination and unwillingness to deal with rejection and disagreement, you have to accuse me of saying that bissex are not true to life, when you don´t even know what my sexual identity/orientation is. What a shot to the foot, kid! How would you react if I told you I´m actually bi? Oh-oh, don´t even think about it, or you tower of sand will be destroyed, and you need it to hide your fear, immaturity and insecurity. 

 

Go back and realize that you lied to promote your agenda. Unless you acknoledge your mistake, this is the last time I address you. I do to bad will people that what you hate the most: I despise and ignore them. Go find a companion to keep you company, someone from the same mental age group and immature mentality, please. Get away, get away, weirdo! People like you do not help, but only do disservice to any cause they try to align themselves.

"An elcor vanguard would certainly not break the game for me."

 

 

HAHAHA! Ok, I think this one declaration says it all. I guess you probably want archers and mages that are just like berserkers in close combat. And dwarfs who specialize in casting spells from a safe distance. Oh boy!

 

I see no reason for wasting any more time and attention with you. If not for your total lack of common sense and maturity, then because of your intellectual dishonesty.