I'm neutral leaning towards happy. My only concern is whether or not we can alter our story decisions I daI if we have no internet access. If that is a yes I don't see a downside other the. Having to take the time to build a save.
No, you can't alter story decisions you made in previous DA games without the keep. The keep is online only. As far as I know the keep should be accessible outside of the game as well and just produce a savefile you can download and use in the game.
I am Neutral, See, I don't know how the Keep works, & I don't know how I will be able to use the Keep App since my Laptop is on 56k Dial Up but PS3s are Wireless, WiFi or Ethernet DSL High Speeds which means I wouldn't be able to Transfer my Laptop to my PS3 via USB Cable or other Methods.
I am hoping the Keep will let me use a USB Flash Drive where I could use my 56K Dial Up, then I can Transfer my Keep World State to my USB Flash Drive. Then I can use the USB Flash Dive & plug it into my PS3, then I would boot up my PS3 Inquisition then I would Import the Keep's World State from my USB Flash Drive.
To me this is a Simple Solution, thus those with Dial Up or those who have High Speeds both would be able to use this Direct Import Method to import the Keep from PCs, Laptops to your Console's you plan on playing Inquisition on later this Fall.
See, Me I am using a Laptop, but I am playing Inquisition on my PS3 but my Laptop is DIAL-UP so I am hoping for a USB Flash Drive Import Method.
If not I guess I will skip the Keep & Play Inquisition on it's Selection Choices should be similar towards DA 2 did.
Also I see no point in playing previous Dragon Age games since NO DIRECT IMPORT.
May trade my Dragon Age Games & delete the DLC. Since previous Saves are NULL & VOID - USELESS.
Also I see no point in playing previous Dragon Age games since NO DIRECT IMPORT.
The point of playing the previous games is to have fun. It's true that there is now no point to replaying 100+ hours of content just so you can see the impact of different decisions in Inquisition - but given that the impact is likely to consist of a few different lines of dialogue and some side quests, I think that's probably a good thing.
I don't care. Although it's a non-issue for me as I play Dragon Age on PC, the Keep seems like a fine way to get around the issue of saves not carrying over into the current console generation. Not only that, but it will allow BioWare to "fix" conflicting plot flags and resolve issues with broken save imports. Seems like a win on every front, to me.
It would, but you don't know that the Keep will only ask questions that are relevant to Inquisition. It will probably ask every question that was tracked by the DAO and DA2 savegames, plus anything else that might have been important to Inquisition at some point during Inquisition's development.
That's not going to spoil anything.
I don't know if it'll ask every question, but you are correct that there's nothing guaranteeing that a question answered on the Keep will be used in DAI. It could be used in games beyond though.
The point of playing the previous games is to have fun. It's true that there is now no point to replaying 100+ hours of content just so you can see the impact of different decisions in Inquisition - but given that the impact is likely to consist of a few different lines of dialogue and some side quests, I think that's probably a good thing.
Indeed. I grew up in the time when sequels, at best, said "Oh by the way, these were the events that happened in the past game." I wouldn't trade playing Fallout 1 in for anything simply because Fallout 2 didn't honor my choices. Two of my all time favourite games! 
Indeed. I grew up in the time when sequels, at best, said "Oh by the way, these were the events that happened in the past game." I wouldn't trade playing Fallout 1 in for anything simply because Fallout 2 didn't honor my choices. Two of my all time favourite games!
I'm the same way about the Baldur's Gate series - while you could import your character's stats, none of their choices carried over. If BioWare stopped taking account of our choices in the DA series for whatever reason, I would be sad - but not because I'd feel like I wasted time playing the other games. If I hadn't been enjoying them for their own sake, a much smaller percentage of the last five years of my life would have been spent slaying darkspawn and giant spiders .
(I mean, it seems wildly unlikely that BioWare will stop letting us set our world state any time soon, given all the energy they're putting into building the Keep. But hypothetically speaking.)
I'm the same way about the Baldur's Gate series - while you could import your character's stats, none of their choices carried over.
As far as I'm aware, they've said that (and take all of this as a grain of salt mind you, as pretty much little to nothing has been confirmed and honestly I could be talking out my rear end 
) that most likely DA:I will be much like previous installments of Dragon Age, in that you'll need a basic internet connection when you log in, but once your worldstate has been loaded in, you won't need a continual connection to continue playing/loading saves.
As per previous installments that's MOSTLY for data-gathering to be able to upload your character stuff to their website and for analysis. And if it works like the previous games, even that isn't required beyond the initial first time start up to really establish your registration code etc. A basic anti-piracy tactic that really isn't intrusive.
The one thing that always really frustrated me was with ME3 where unless I was online when I loaded up the game I couldn't access any saved or current playthroughs that had DLC content. And I really hope this doesn't end up being the case for DA:I. I honestly don't mind basic anti-piracy tactics (Aka checking for new characters to upload to the website and/or checking to make sure my game matches my registration key on start up). But I also really DO NOT want to be locked out of saved in-progress (or otherwise) games if my ISP decides to take a dump. I can't even imagine how annoying it can be for folks with dialup or zero access to the internet to not be able to access current playthroughs because they can't get past key-checking 
The first time, yes. Absolutely. Check my key. The 40th time? Ugh
Like I said, if Dragon's Keep is a complicated aggervating process or requires this that or my Urine sample then I will skip the Keep, since playing Inquisition dosent really require you to import previous game saves anyway.
Basically giving us a Middle FInger telling us our hard work we put into is now Null & Void -Useless & is no longer needed in Inquisition so all my Time I spent perfecting & getting ready for Inquisition this fall is basically CRAP. Countless Hours, Now Worthless.
Perfecting my Hawke, My Warden making the Ultimate CAC Characters which I was hoping would I would be able to see in Future installments via DIRECT IMPORT Is now out the window thanks to Dragon's Keep I will be require to get online or Hook MY console Online.
But people living in Dead-Zones or NO Internet connections or on 56K Dial Up are Crap Out of Luck when it comes to Dragon's Keep or Importing The Keep Choices into Inquiisition regardless of your consoles.
I guess most of us this Fall will be Playing Inquisition on its Pre-Selected History Choices. Or Barebone-DEFAULT.
Meaning NO Hawke, No Warden & would be Default Random NPCs with little to no Previous Character appearances.
I'm starting to feel Antiquated as I don't own a cell phone and still using dial-up and Comcast has no plans to drop internet cables in my area for at least another 5 to 7 years and the price of satalite is over $100 bucks a month for crappy signal strength.
My main question is will DA:I be and online all the time like ME3 was or Diablo 3 if so I don't think my will appreciate me tying up the phone lines to play the game, wish we had more info on what the keep needs and what it will do for us.
Neutral leaning toward unhappy, really. I can see both sides of this, but it's a bit irritating on something that's made player choice and the legacy of choices such a hyped thing that people who did play through something and kept the save get the same results as someone who's just slapped together something in the keep in five minutes.
At least keeping your BG1 save eventually netted you an amusing secret (if you kept the various Pantaloons).
I honestly think it is an amazing idea!
Since all my saves got nuked with my hard drive.
I was sad my laptop died, then when I heard "No data was recoverable" well....
At least there is the Keep to recreate my saves.
Plus I dont get this whole "I feel betrayed because newbies get what I got!"
Sure they can create a save in under 1/1000th the time it took to play a complete DAO, DAO:A, DA2, plus all related DLC.
But many of them wont even grasp the weight and the history behind what is happening.
At least DAI is going the inclusive route by saying "Create a save!" rather than just going "Dont talk about anything a newbie wont know" that other games did.
Overall I approve.
Eralik I also am on Dial Up 56k Internet & also I do not own a CELL PHONE, Not cause I cant afford one I just do not like cell phones & I plan on staying off the GRID as much as I can. Not using Facebook, Twitter or any social Media I Just don't like the crap.
I can get me a Cell Phone anytime I want, but I hate them, & I think Cells are useless.
I Just wanna play these games like I did previous games being easy access to import my Games into the next installment but now with Dragon's Keep I am really PISSED OFF on this.
Mainly also at Bioware cause they have not fully explained the details on the Keep such as us on 56K what would be our options or do we even have an option.
I mean I can take my PS3 Console to my Relatives but their WiFi is almost as slow as my Dial Up & I think my Dial Up could be faster than their Crappy WiFi Connection I have no idea who they get it from BUT IT SUCKS.
So I need more info, I can not make any choices on how I am going to play Inquisition. Here below is the main questions on DK
1. How will this Work from Laptops, Desktops to a Console
2. What Internet Connections will be required on the DK - WiFi, DSL, 56K Dial Up, Ethernet, Broad Band, ETC.
3. What about using a USB Flash Drive to Transfer Keep Saves to YOUR CONSOLES if we HAVE DIAL UP.
4. How much will the DK APP COSTS or is this a FREE APP.
While some info on the DK APP has been talked none of the important Questions have been answered & also have been vaguely ignored. Odd sense Inquisition is almost upon us.
Also Eralik regarding Signing in or Online playing Inquisition, It should play OFFLINE ALWAYS, being only Online when you wanna connect Inquisition to your EA/Bioware Origins Accounts for periodic updates or DLC Patches, ETC.
But should work & play like DA 2 or ME 3 Did being OFFLINE Completely if you wanna play it that way, I know I played ME Trilogy Always OFFLINE & DA 2 also ALWAYS OFFLINE. Only using my Bioware Account to Accesss DLC.
I plan on doing the same with Inquisition, Since I will get the Legendary of Signature deal with a Season Pass.
Can you not go to a public library? Thats how I used to get my internet fix when waiting to be connected, or are libraries not good as well?
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Neutral leaning toward unhappy, really. I can see both sides of this, but it's a bit irritating on something that's made player choice and the legacy of choices such a hyped thing that people who did play through something and kept the save get the same results as someone who's just slapped together something in the keep in five minutes.
Making people play hundreds of hours of content and keep their saves in order to see everything wouldn't be very fair on people upgrading to the new console generation, though. Someone could have half a dozen complete games on a PS3, but without the Keep they'd be SOL if they upgrade to a PS4. (This also applies to people whose consoles/hard drives have gone kablooey between releases.)
While some info on the DK APP has been talked none of the important Questions have been answered & also have been vaguely ignored. Odd sense Inquisition is almost upon us.
The game is roughly six months away, which means that the Keep will probably be done in August or September, or even October if DAI turns out to be a November release. I want to know all the details too, but it's likely they're still nailing everything down. They're being careful to avoid promising anything they can't deliver.
I do think it's a bit of a peek behind the curtain that might take some of the magic away. I mean, logically if I want to see a variety of different endings to a game, I could just save and reload at a specific place, or check them out on youtube. But if it's a game I care about I'll do it properly and replay the game to see them, because that way it feels more real. Of course I understand that people might have less time to spare/more of a life, but I'm just talking for myself.
Also, I would prefer not to have to guess what my warden might have done in some side-quest 4 years ago.
Making people play hundreds of hours of content and keep their saves in order to see everything wouldn't be very fair on people upgrading to the new console generation, though. Someone could have half a dozen complete games on a PS3, but without the Keep they'd be SOL if they upgrade to a PS4. (This also applies to people whose consoles/hard drives have gone kablooey between releases.)
I suspect that's the main reason why they are making The Keep. The new-gen consoles.
@Whatnow12012
It doesn't make one iota of sense to have to pay for the game and then to also have to pay just to access a simple app, the keep, for a "save game".
I think it is also extremely doubtful anything higher than your dial up speed is even needed. If you are already capable of going online with your other Bioware games, even for just a short period of time, I don't see why it would be any different for the keep. It is extremely unlikely the keep will produce huge save files. All the save files need to contain are just a bunch of flags.
Also, Bioware is not ignoring anything. Inquisition is not that close that the information is needed right now and the Keep is probably not even done yet so not everything can even be answered. There is no real need to know everything about the Keep at the current date. With the Keep being available about a month before release of the actual game you have plenty of time to decide if you want to use the Keep or not.
I would rather use my Current Saves I have already completed on my Dragon Age Origins & my DA 2 since I have both games completed with its DLC I have my Save Files ready to be imported into Inquisition.
But if the Keep is the only Viable Means of Import meaning No Direct-Import method being aka Origins into DA 2 did or ME Trilogy did being ME 1 into ME 2 then ME 2 into ME 3 is called DIRECT-IMPORT.
This doesn't seem to be the case regarding Inquisition mainly cause of Frostbite 3 & Next Gen Consoles making all previous saves Null & Void or Useless. Basically Bioware giving use the Middle Finger & telling us that all that hard work we did is no longer needed in Inquisition.
Cause in Inquisition you will not be able to do DIRECT IMPORT being like a PS2 game did being like Armored Core or like how Dot.Hack did or Xenosaga Trilogy. Seems the Keep App is the only way to Import into Inquisition.
Meaning I don't need my Saves from Origins Ultimate or my DA 2 Files or my DLC Content any Longer, or any need to replay previous games since the Keep is the only Method of Importing into Inquisition.
Don't get me wrong people, I will be getting Inquisition this Holiday Season, But the question remains what will be done regarding Importing.
Should I keep my Save Files I have from my PS3 Games until Inquisition Arrives.
Should I Trade my Dragon Age Games & Delete my Previous Saves & DLC Content
No Sense in Playing previous games again.
The Keep has no solid info such as How Importing will WORK such as Laptop to a Console.
Or Console connected to the Bioware Origins Account NOTHING IS KNOWN.
Also Which Speeds does the Keep Require
Is the Keep FREE
I can keep on going but right now I am just confused on DK APP, & IMPORTING, also my Previous Save FILES.
Also Dutch_Gamer here At Home I am in a DEAD-ZONE being 56K Dial Up & No Cell Phone Service. Isolated.
But if need be I can take my PS3 to my Relatives Home & connect my PS3 to WiFi Wireless if The Keep requires some sort of special 1 Time Connection Deal.
I will take my PS3 over there anyway cause I am preordering Inquisition this FALL or soon as the game is ready for Preorder, Bioware always makes a Special deal with these games. such as my N7 Mass Effect 3 or my Signature DA 2.
I am hoping DA Inquisition will be a Legendary or Signature version with DLC Add-Ons or XP Goodies as a Pre-Order Bonus.
I am also hoping Bioware will release a Demo of Inquisition this Late Summer so we can have a Feel to what to expect out of Inquisition later this Holiday season.
For now I am going to play Drakengard 3 & wait for futher details on DK APP or Import from the Biowar Big Wigs who are over Inquisition.
For now the game is to far away to guess or Speculate on these issues such as DK or using my previous saves.
Neutral leaning toward unhappy, really. I can see both sides of this, but it's a bit irritating on something that's made player choice and the legacy of choices such a hyped thing that people who did play through something and kept the save get the same results as someone who's just slapped together something in the keep in five minutes.
What if it's someone who played through DA:O and DA2 multiple times, but not with [X] combination of choices? Do they have to replay 100s of hours just to see what happens if they have a game where they side with Zathrian instead of saving both the werewolves and elves this time?
I actually just stumbled across a computer file the other day that contained notes on my first playthroughs of both Origins AND DA2 and covered most of the major choices (and some pretty minor ones). Since I've switched from the 360 to PC I couldn't be happier about that.
Really, I'm pretty excited about the Keep overall, since I'd love to even just see all the different choices laid out, but I'm particularly happy since I wouldn't be able to import my saves anyway.
Guys, chill. From what all is available, the Keep is just a tool to make a save import file to establish a world state. Those files are very small. They have even mentioned in other threads on the Keep that if you do not have direct access to the net from your PC or console, you can download it from anywhere, like the public library, put it on a flash drive, and load it up to the console/PC of your choice. So ya, you could download it on your laptop from anywhere, put on a flash drive, and you are good to go. It's not that complicated, well, not AS complicated as if you could just download it directly.
Oh, and yes, it's FREE. Seriously, I know this is EA we are talking about, but come on, charging for this? That's a bit of a stretch. All this info is on the net and this forum, if you looked a bit harder, you could have found this quite easily. So please, I understand you are frustrated about the change from direct-import to Keep import, I am too, but look at it from the larger picture. Using a web based program allows them to give this content at a much more bug-free state and to a larger player base than doing direct-imports.
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