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[HunterX6]

The advantages of the keep is as follow:

 

1) Fixes the importing bugs

 

2) Saves you alot of time from replaying the games

 

3) Your data in a way is saved, so no worry about losing your hard drive or it being destroyed,etc.

 

The disadvantages are as follow:

 

1) Possible spoilers about what choices will actually play part in the story of Dragon Age: Inquisition.

 

2) The disappointing feeling of the time you spared to get the perfect save/s being lost since they might not be a import option. On the bright side you experienced the games and will help with your choices in the keep.

 

3)Cant think of one yet lol

[Nashiktal]

I would rather use my Current Saves I have already completed on my Dragon Age Origins & my DA 2 since I have both games completed with its DLC I have my Save Files ready to be imported into Inquisition.

I would love to direct import as well, but as has already been proven the current method of importing is riddled with bugs and errors. Bioware is trying to HELP everyone by using the keep. I  have spent many hours playing dragon age, and lord knows Mass Effect 1 was my most played game of all time. (I played over twenty times with full playthroughs, and countless partials.) I've been there mate. My xbox controller is stained with the sweat and blood of countless playtime.

 

Unfortunately we can't directly import now. Luckily it is because bioware wants to improve the importing process. They are not trying to hurt you.
 

But if the Keep is the only Viable Means of Import meaning No Direct-Import method being aka Origins into DA 2 did or ME Trilogy did being ME 1 into ME 2 then ME 2 into ME 3 is called DIRECT-IMPORT.

Correct. The keep will take over for imports now. However bioware has already shown that direct importing is iffy at best with Mass Effect providing the most jarring example. ME1 and 2 were mostly fine with a few import bugs here and there, but ME3 was downright broken with the characters appearence. Players had to use fan made tools, workarounds, and other third party applications to fix import problems for the game. Something which the keep is supposed to help minimize in the future.

 

This doesn't seem to be the case regarding Inquisition mainly cause of Frostbite 3 & Next Gen Consoles making all previous saves Null & Void or Useless. Basically Bioware giving use the Middle Finger & telling us that all that hard work we did is no longer needed in Inquisition.

Uh no. They are not giving you the middle finger. They are attempting to fix a problem. All your previous effort is not wasted. If you spent all that time playing the game you clearly enjoyed it, as I did when I put all this effort in the Mass Effect games. Bioware appears to want to encourage those playthroughs, without import bugs and hardware issues hurting these efforts in the future.

 

Someday there will be a new set of hardware or software issues that make imports difficult from the game itself. The keep is there to prevent those problems and centralize your save data. Instead of pulling saves through multiple different games, (and thus multiple engines and software) it will be tracked through the keep. All that work is still needed. After all, you wont get nearly the same satisfaction of events in inquisition if you didn't play to set the stage. When the keep asks you who you chose to survive, or which faction you sided with, you will have the experience of what happened to contextualize the choice. Although I am sure someone will come out with a gibbed editor for DAI as with all previous bioware games. Why you are comparing it to a ps2 game is beyond me. Save game importing has been in PS2 games for quite some time now. I imported saved data in Romance of the Three Kingdoms franchise multiple times.
 

 

Meaning I don't need my Saves from Origins Ultimate or my DA 2 Files or my DLC Content any Longer, or any need to replay previous games since the Keep is the only Method of Importing into Inquisition.

Technically you are correct. You do not need to play the games. Just like you didn't need to play any of the previous ME games before jumping straight to ME3, using Mass Effect Genesis to set previous choices. You don't need to play them, although it does make all the cameos and plot threads from previous games make a hell of a lot more sense.

 

Don't get me wrong people, I will be getting Inquisition this Holiday Season, But the question remains what will be done regarding Importing.

 

Should I keep my Save Files I have from my PS3 Games until Inquisition Arrives.

 

Should I Trade my Dragon Age Games & Delete my Previous Saves & DLC Content

 

No Sense in Playing previous games again.

Er, if you don't find sense in playing previous games now, why would you want to play them before? Just to set up the choices? If that is the case then sure, no need to play the games anymore. You played them, had your fun, and can now move one to something else. If you want to trade in your games and delete saves, nothing is stopping you. The money can be used for more games, and the deleted saves give more memory. Although if you ever want to play again you will have to start from scratch.

 

Now the keep features do need to be clarified further. I have all sorts of speculation as to how it will all work, but we will just have to wait and see.

 

Although I highly doubt they will charge money for Keep, but if they do you bet some ambitious modder will make a gibbed save editor for the game to use, just as they have for Mass effect series, and dragon age series.

[Dutchess]

It doesn't sound very exciting to have to fill out an entire questionnaire before I get to play DAI. I don't know. I get that it's the best way to avoid the issues with bugs and flags and other mess Bioware never fixed in the previous games, but it feels so... fake, I guess. I know that's not a very sensible attitude, but it makes the Warden feel so obsolete. You're not importing your Warden and his/her decisions, you're completing a checklist. It makes me wish even more they would have just let the Warden and Hawke be and not drag them into a great disappearance plot for the next game.

[Nashiktal]

To me it's not filling out a checklist, but recounting and retro king the story of the warden and the champion of Kirkwall but you bring up a good point. If the site is any indication though, they all be trying to make it atmospheric if nothing else.

Also I'd prefer a nice and neat checklist over my decisions being ignored. If someone dies in my games I'd like them to stay dead and not be a glitch zombie.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Neutral leaning toward unhappy, really. I can see both sides of this, but it's a bit irritating on something that's made player choice and the legacy of choices such a hyped thing that people who did play through something and kept the save get the same results as someone who's just slapped together something in the keep in five minutes.

What are you actually annoyed by?

 

You expected a certain benefit from your playthroughs.  You're still getting that benefit.  Nothing about what you're actually receiving has changed.  All you've lost is exclusivity.  So, if you're annoyed, you're annoyed purely that other people are allowed to have the same thing you're allowed to have, at no cost to you.

[Eralrik]

Guess it's time to uninstall and delete my saves, place the game disks on the shelf as they are no longer needed.

 

The Keep will make everything feel impersonal and no real clue on getting to know past team members how they acted or reacted, their personal trials and tribulations, it's all placed in words to read and then placed into a file to upload to DA:I.

 

Time to say good bye to my Wardens and Hawke and the save files <cry's> I shall miss thee and will remember our good and bad times the loss of friends, I'll heft my ale and salute you my friends but in the end it appears you will be forgotten and placed in words.

 

<Salute> -----Delete------ Now I wait patiently for DA:I

[efd731]

Pointless and lengthy complaining(or satire, I don't really know)

The previous games are there precisely to provide context and understanding of the world and characters. Personally, I'm leaning to the keep being either narrated by varric as you go through the various portions of the previous games.

[AlanC9]

The Keep will make everything feel impersonal and no real clue on getting to know past team members how they acted or reacted, their personal trials and tribulations, it's all placed in words to read and then placed into a file to upload to DA:I.
 

Huh? What makes you think a save import would work any different? Or is this just about it feeling different or some such?

[Nashiktal]

The keep is probably less of a shock to me than others because I've been using gibbed save editor for every bioware game since the first Mass Effect. Saved me so much time and effort, and allowed me to fine tune my saves in ways I just couldn't in a lengthy play through.

I mean, I'm starting a new dragon age origins game right now and while I love it this is going to take fooooorever. Stupid fade.

[Omikuji]

I really like idea of the the keep. They built the game to have a different engine so I don't think they can make it compatible, then you have to take into consideration as well there was loads of bugs with the data transfer from DAO to DAII. The keep will keep the bugs on the low since it wont have to go through the memories of the previous games finding the yes nos of the games choice system. Not only that, it will allow those who lost their files but know exactly what the choices they had not have to play the whole games over again. Then what if the player had different systems, had to sell the games/the system in question, and don't want to have the Bioware canon, they don't really get that level of choices without the Keep. Then what if the person didn't know about certain choices in game, and then learnt about it later when they where finished with the game, unable to go back? What if the person doesn't -want- to play through the other games, but want to play DAI because they've watched LPers or read up things about the other games, the Keep gives them those choices they watched and wanted.

 

 

There's less chance for failure with this. It allows people to have their stories without needing to play through the games over and over if they where lost. I'm curious to see how the questions will be laid out, and how the actual questions will transfer over, but I think it's just all and all better then just data transfering when they have shown they lack the ability to do that without running into massive bugs.

[Rel Fexive]

Didn't the original description of the Keep mention importing existing save states from playthroughs?  Is there any actual, official indication that this has changed?

[Andraste_Reborn]

Here's what Mark Darrah said in the initial Keep announcement:

 

What about actually importing your save games? We are continuing to investigate ways in which save files from previous games could be used to populate the initial world state of the Dragon Age Keep. We'll provide more information on this in the months to come.

 

Since then we've heard nothing but other variations on 'we're working on it but aren't promising anything'.