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[DrBlingzle]

Is it just me or are the different kinds or sexualties being called out in BSN starting to get confusing? Okay I understand hetero, bi and homosexuality perfectly well but some of the different(?) kinds of sexualities mentioned here have been confusing me. I think I start to understand one and then someone gives me a completely different definition. So could someone please just give me definitions for:

• playersexual
• pansexual
• omnisexual

Note: I don't think I should have to mention this but while it's fine to debate the definitions in this topic, please, please, please don't argue over which system is better. Is that too hard BSN? 

[Allan Schumacher]

Playersexuality is a term that people use to mean that the romance option's sexual orientation is tailored to the way the game player would like it to be.

 

Pansexuality is the idea that one is attracted to all sexualities/genders  (it's a wider scale than just bisexuality).  Omnisexuality is a synonym.

[AddieTheElf]

"playersexual" is a what some people call the romancable characters of characters in Dragon age 2 because it appears their sexuality "bends" for the player - I'm not one who really uses this term.
 
pansexual is a lot like bisexuality, sometimes people use the terms interchangeably. It is also characterized by aesthetic attraction, romantic love, and/or sexual desire for anyone regardless of gender - even those who don't associate with any gender. 
 
Omnisexual very similar to pansexuality, at least as far as to my knowledge, maybe someone with more knowledge on these sexualities could clarify more, but this is what I know personally.

 

ninja'd by Allan

Modifié par AddieTheElf, 11 avril 2014 - 05:16 .

[AlanC9]

Merrill's a good example of "playersexuality." Since we don't hear about any romantic involvements in her past -- at least, not AFAIK -- her sexual orientation is either undetermined if you don't select a "heart" dialogue, or determined by Hawke's gender if you do.

[Blackrising]

Merrill's a good example of "playersexuality." Since we don't hear about any romantic involvements in her past -- at least, not AFAIK -- her sexual orientation is either undetermined if you don't select a "heart" dialogue, or determined by Hawke's gender if you do.

 

I don't agree.

We could only call Merrill 'playersexual' if we had proof of it. Like if she told FemHawke "Oh yeah, I'm totally only into women", but told ManHawke "Oh yeah, totally only into guys". As you said yourself, we have nothing to define her romantic inclinations by, except her entanglement with Hawke.

In other words, Merrill's sexuality is purposefully left vague. That is not playersexual.

[The dead fish]

That system failed so badly, and was totally crap in DA2. That"s why it's so confusing and so many people are confused. You just have to read to see how everyone is lost. Hope there will be big improvements. That's all I ask, only the result matters to me.

[David Gaider]

We could only call Merrill 'playersexual' if we had proof of it. Like if she told FemHawke "Oh yeah, I'm totally only into women", but told ManHawke "Oh yeah, totally only into guys". As you said yourself, we have nothing to define her romantic inclinations by, except her entanglement with Hawke.

In other words, Merrill's sexuality is purposefully left vague. That is not playersexual.

 

At the root of the concern is the insistence of some players that their perception dictates the fact. For instance, if someone doesn't come out and state outright that they're attracted to members of the same gender, then they're heterosexual by default...and them stating differently later on must mean they've been ret-conned for the player's benefit.

 

As you state, the sexuality of some characters was left vague so it was open to interpretation by the player—but some people don't want interpretations, they want labels. Bisexuality is inherently indecisive and character-breaking in that case, since the perception would then be that the characters are altering their sexuality...like a light switch that goes from "completely straight" to "completely gay", since those are the only points that exist.

 

I get it, even if I don't agree with the assessment.

 

Insofar as what we're doing for DAI romances, we've yet to discuss it. This particular discussion usually goes nowhere good, however, since there's a lot of ignorance and indignation that arises whenever the issue arises on these forums. I suggest that, if anyone has anything in particular to add, they do so thoughtfully and with some consideration in mind.

[AlanC9]

I don't agree.

We could only call Merrill 'playersexual' if we had proof of it. Like if she told FemHawke "Oh yeah, I'm totally only into women", but told ManHawke "Oh yeah, totally only into guys". As you said yourself, we have nothing to define her romantic inclinations by, except her entanglement with Hawke.

In other words, Merrill's sexuality is purposefully left vague. That is not playersexual.

 

By that definition, playersexuality doesn't exist. I'd like to have some way to differentiate between characters who have defined sexualities and characters who don't. Can you suggest another term? "Undefined sexuality" is a bit clunky.

 

Anyway, at the moment people aren't using playersexual the way you are; if they use the term they use it my way. I'm OK with doing it your way myself, but you're just confusing the OP.

[Allan Schumacher]

Removed some posts.  Please keep the snark out of this thread even if you feel that this topic is historically a hot spot.

[Blackrising]

By that definition, playersexuality doesn't exist. I'd like to have some way to differentiate between characters who have defined sexualities and characters who don't. Can you suggest another term? "Undefined sexuality" is a bit clunky.

 

Anyway, at the moment people aren't using playersexual the way you are; if they use the term they use it my way. I'm OK with doing it your way myself, but you're just confusing the OP.

 

People have different definitions of the term 'playersexuality'. It is a regular topic in threads such as this. And to be honest, I've seen just as many people using my definition as I have seen people using yours. YMMV, I guess.

 

Is it so hard to accept that all characters have a defined sexuality and some simply don't feel like telling everyone about their inclinations? (Because yes, I do believe that playersexuality doesn't exist.)

[Allan Schumacher]

By that definition, playersexuality doesn't exist. I'd like to have some way to differentiate between characters who have defined sexualities and characters who don't. Can you suggest another term? "Undefined sexuality" is a bit clunky.

 

Anyway, at the moment people aren't using playersexual the way you are; if they use the term they use it my way. I'm OK with doing it your way myself, but you're just confusing the OP.

 

I agree that people use it more your way.

 

To use Merril's example, what makes her not a bisexual?

[AlanC9]

Heh. Nothing except the presumption that characters are straight until proven otherwise. Undefined really is the more accurate term, yes.

 

OTOH, in my experience that's how people go about assuming stuff in the RW too.

[Blackrising]

Heh. Nothing except the presumption that characters are straight until proven otherwise. Undefined really is the more accurate term, yes.

 

OTOH, in my experience that's how people go about assuming stuff in the RW too.

 

That's true. Which should probably be remedied as well, but, you know, baby steps.

[Knight of Dane]

The Fereldan Circle was more fun. Everyone was kissing everyone.

[Gold Dragon]

I've always defined "player-sexual" as something related to "bi-sexual".  The character is willing to romance the PC regardless of the PC's Gender.

 

Anders from DA 2 and Lelianna & Zevran from Origins are good examples.  Tho Lelianna is more lez than Bi (she preffers Women but will allow men, unlike Traynor from ME 3)....

[Blackrising]

I've always defined "player-sexual" as something related to "bi-sexual".  The character is willing to romance the PC regardless of the PC's Gender.

 

Anders from DA 2 and Lelianna & Zevran from Origins are good examples.  Tho Lelianna is more les than Bi (she preffers Women but will allow men, unlike Traynor from ME 3)....

 

No wonder people can never agree on anything. We don't even operate under a common definition of the topic everyone gets so passionate about.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I interpreted all four main love interests in DA 2 as being bisexual.

[SwobyJ]

Playersexual to me is one of these two things:

 

1)Seems to go against their stated orientation, but ONLY for youuuuu.

2)Is specifically interested in you and only you, regardless of your sex or anything else about you. For example, if Liara was human and behaved the same way, I'd have to go with her being playersexual. But she's an asari, so I would take it as more bi/pan/omni/whateversheis.

 

For DA2, I'd call them playersexual but with a bisexual tone. They're there for your specific story. However, if we consider their range of options and how their script lines come across, it would imply that they can be attracted to both sexes.

 

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Anyway, I do think there's a small difference between pansexual and omnisexual.

 

Pansexuals don't really think or feel in terms of gender. It's all one to them, and they focus on the individual person and/or experience.

 

Omnisexuals may think or feel in terms of gender, but it just doesn't matter to them. They'll move between orientation 'modes' as they come. One time they may be more into males, but another time they may fall in love with a female and stick with her.

 

They're very similar, but the main difference to me is that Pansexuals are largely divorced from concepts of gender/sex/orientation when they decide to do something, while omnisexuals still factor it in.

 

Omnisexuals may do anything.

Pansexuals may do anyone.

They're close enough that one is usually splitting hairs when trying to use them in different ways though. Pretty much synonyms, but again, only pretty much.

 

I'm up for any corrections here, though.

[Knight of Dane]

I just don't get why there's a issue at all. Just romance the fictional character that you like in a fictional universe that doesn't have to follow the irl social norms.

 

I guess that's why I like "playersexuality." Your game = your fun.

[KainD]

Pansexuality is the idea that one is attracted to all sexualities/genders  (it's a wider scale than just bisexuality).

 

Wider.. how? Human species have 2 sexes. Bi=2. 

[Knight of Dane]

Wider.. how? Human species have 2 sexes. Bi=2. 

The difference is, such as I have had it explained, that Bisexual people care about gender and Pansexual don't.

 

So, Bisexuals like girls for their gilry bits and guys for their manly parts and Pansexuals are indifferent.

[Thibax]

I am dragonagesexual 

 

[Blackrising]

The difference is, such as I have had it explained, that Bisexual people care about gender and Pansexual don't.

 

So, Bisexuals like girls for their gilry bits and guys for their manly parts and Pansexuals are indifferent.

 

Plus, I believe pansexuality includes attraction to transsexuals. Bisexuality seems to include a more 'one or the other' type of mindset. Or so I understand it.

[Vandicus]

I agree that people use it more your way.

 

To use Merril's example, what makes her not a bisexual?

 

She seems to only ever show interest in one individual of one gender(to my recollection). Generally speaking, people show an interest in a wide variety of people of the gender(s) that interest them. So naturally we construct an image of their gender preferences from what we see. In real life, if a woman we've known for ten years who has only eyeballed men, suddenly starts eyeballing women, we'd believe that is a change in preferences. Because companions are for the most part only interested in the character[or their pre-determined partner] (who is of a set gender), the image we construct of their gender preference is that of the main character.

 

A more game relevant example would be Aveline. Both times I've seen her in a relationship or considering one, it was only with men. Is two a whole lot of data points? No. Is it strange that I assume from those experiences that she's straight? In my opinion, that's simply a normal way we evaluate a person's sexual orientation, from what we see(or what they tell us), even if we have very limited data to go on.

 

Granted, this isn't a dating sim, and potential romances or current romances showing interest in other NPCs might not be a good idea(or it might be a good one), after all jealousy causes all kinds of unusual responses.

[SurelyForth]

I think some people should watch this. It's not perfect, but it's a pretty good overview of sex, gender, and sexuality.