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#51
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I was wondering this very thing. Everybody is constantly coming up with new catch phrases and labels. It's like a fad. I think it's kind of silly, but that's just me. 

 

Why it's important that the characters state their sexuality escapes me. I should think that giving everybody the opportunity to romance characters with whatever sex they choose is the most agreeable thing to do. The only reason it would be an issue is if an individual doesn't like the idea that somebody somewhere is romancing that character with a different sex. Because worrying about whether that character is gay or straight in someone else's game is such a lucrative enterprise.



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  • playersexual
  • pansexual
  • omnisexual

 

I always took (and used) playersexual to mean that an NPC is designed to be attracted to the PC no matter the PC's gender, race or species with the specific aim of being inclusive for all possible Player orientations (ie. you can pick any LI you fancy. They're not fussy).

 

Pan/omnisexual characters are also attracted to others no matter gender, race or species, but are not necessarily attracted to the PC. While they can be, their sexuality is ideally part of their character design rather than being motivated by a need for a pleasing LI available to all PCs.



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I was wondering this very thing. Everybody is constantly coming up with new catch phrases and labels. It's like a fad. I think it's kind of silly, but that's just me. 

 

 

I agree. I mean I get that a lot of people feel like certain labels don't fit them, so they invent new labels for their specific sexualities. It's just labels labels labels galore... I wish our only label was "human" and that was it. :P 

 

Not sure why this thread is in Scuttlebutt though.



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... ok, gonna go and do some stuff.

 

i hope there will be no bonuses for having romance with the characters.



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Labels sometimes just = "I don't want to have to explain this for several sentences."



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... ok, gonna go and do some stuff.

i hope there will be no bonuses for having romance with the characters.

Why are you posting that here? You might want the romances topic.

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Why are you posting that here? You might want the romances topic.

no it's kinda linked together. one follows from another.

 

However post number 2 is scaring me.



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Post #2 is an answer to the question....  How is it scaring you?


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I may be absolutely horribly wrong about this, but from what I understand, a person's 'Sex' and a person's 'Gender' are separate:

'Sex' is biological and determined whilst you are a foetus. If you have a Y chromosome, you are a 'Male' and if you don't you are a 'Female'. I believe there are some people who have neither or both (ambiguous) sexual identifiers (e.g. genitals) and they can be considered 'Male', 'Female' or 'Intersex'. A person can have aesthetic surgery and hormone treatment but ultimately their Sex is quite set in stone.

'Gender' is mostly a social construction (the concept of 'Gender' was created by society) and any individual can chose their gender. Commonly we have 'Masculinity' and 'Femininity', but other cultures have additional genders (such as India).

So generally, Males are expected to be Masculine and Females are expected to be Feminine, but this is not always the case. A person might be born a 'Male' (Sex) but choose to identify with a 'Feminine' (Gender). Thus, you could have a man who likes to wear skirts, makeup, and cook (or on the flip side a woman who likes to wear trousers, bodybuild and play football).

So most characters in the Dragon Age games have Genders which match their Sex. Some characters like Serendipity and Maevaris (haven't read the comics) choose to identify with Genders which don't match their Sex.

Granted this information comes from my Psychology lessons back in high school so I may be wrong - in which case please do correct me.

 

So if I am a ''feminine'' male, do I call myself a woman?



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However post number 2 is scaring me.

Whatever for??



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So if I am a ''feminine'' male, do I call myself a woman?

 

 

it probably raise a few questions if you did... in less your a trap, then you'll just confuse alot of people  :P



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So if I am a ''feminine'' male, do I call myself a woman?

 

No.  But if you identify as a woman, you're free to refer to yourself as one.  Admittedly I'm very much NOT an expert on this sort of stuff, but I think that is how trans people feel (at least in some capacity).

Though others are free to correct me if I am wrong.


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No.  But if you identify as a woman, you're free to refer to yourself as one.  Admittedly I'm very much NOT an expert on this sort of stuff, but I think that is how trans people feel (at least in some capacity).

Though others are free to correct me if I am wrong.

That's sounds about right, as far as the trans friends I've had over the years.  For instance, I have a friend of mine that's F-M.  He's in the earlier stages, mainly the hormone treatments and pre-OP, but he identifies as a man.  So I use the masculine pronoun, since he sees himself as a guy.  That works for both him and me.  :)


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No.  But if you identify as a woman, you're free to refer to yourself as one.  Admittedly I'm very much NOT an expert on this sort of stuff, but I think that is how trans people feel (at least in some capacity).

Though others are free to correct me if I am wrong.

 

This is where I always hit a wall. If it's not sex or gender that help me identify as a man/woman, then what is it?

Personally I wouldn't be able to tell whether I am a man or a woman until I had a look on what's in between my legs, that's kinda a big hint for me. 



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This is where I always hit a wall. If it's not sex or gender that help me identify as a man/woman, then what is it?

Personally I wouldn't be able to tell whether I am a man or a woman until I had a look on what's in between my legs, that's kinda a big hint for me. 

Here, read this.  It might help.

 

 

http://www.transmanh...be-transgender/


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Here, read this. It might help.


http://www.transmanh...be-transgender/


Alright if I woke up tomorrow in the body of the opposite sex I would stop calling myself a man and would call myself a woman instead.

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I won't claim to understand what it's like to be a trans person.  It's not something that I'm familiar with.  If someone were to ask me how I knew I was a man, I'd probably use the biological indicators as well.

 

For other people that doesn't seem to be the case, and in all honesty it's not really any skin off my back if that's the way they see it.


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I won't claim to understand what it's like to be a trans person.  It's not something that I'm familiar with.  If someone were to ask me how I knew I was a man, I'd probably use the biological indicators as well.

 

For other people that doesn't seem to be the case, and in all honesty it's not really any skin off my back if that's the way they see it.

Pretty much.



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All right, I'll try to explain this whole sex/gender business in (what I hope will be seen as) simple terms. Only problem being that I'm Swedish, so there is a small risk I may not be using the English terms the way they should be (although I don't think I'm screwing up).

Sex
This is your physical sex, the one your doctor said when you were born. It's based on your genitals and secondary sexual characteristics. It's a very physical thing and it's actually not as simple as male/female - there's tons of variation even in sex. The important part is that it is purely biological and about your body.

Gender (identity)
Your self-identified gender identity is the gender you feel you belong to. For instance, if you naturally feel you should raise your hand when you hear "all boys, raise your hand" then you're male-gendered. If you raise your hand when the teacher asks about girls, then you're female-gendered. If you don't feel inclined to raise in either situation, then you're probably non-gender or identify along a third gender (many cultures recognise genders aside from simply male and female - western culture is at heart ignorant about these identities). And who knows? Perhaps you didn't even see why you couldn't be both or more.

This is a bit of oversimplification, since many feel forced by society to raise their hand in a situation like this according to society's demand rather than their own. This pressure may be so strong they do not notice their own self-identified gender for many, many years. If we had a more tolerant society, this scenario would likely work just fine. The important part is that gender identity does not necessarily co-relate to how your body looks like at all. Even though certain combinations (female-gendered, female-sexed) are more common.

(Gender) expression
What do you feel like wearing? What kind of body language do you feel comes natural? Perhaps you think lipstick looks gorgeous, and perhaps you think that rugged look where you haven't shaved for two days (but not three!) is optimal. In what tones of voice do you speak? Etc.

Your gender expression does not necessarily need to match your gender at all. Our culture has done a damn good job of telling people you can only do certain things depending on what's between your legs and even how you identify, but you can do what you please. You could be a male-sexed, male-gendered person who likes doing nail polish. Hey, nail polish is pretty freaking rad - have you seen all the ways you can express yourself with it? Perhaps another person is female-sexed, female-gendered and wants to wear mostly trousers. This has gotten a lot more accepted during the last hundred years, but it wasn't that long ago trousers were only acceptable on men in our culture.

As you may notice, wearing trousers is not inherently male or female. Our cultural norms dictate that tons of expression of voice, clothing or whatnot is only for one gender or the other though - cause as a society we're still bigoted like that. It's all about how one chooses to express one's own identity, gendered or no.

EDIT: I originally planned for this post to make a difference between sex and legal sex, but that's a system that may be inherently Swedish. I've heard most people aren't given a social security number that mentions sex outside of my country, hence it's irrelevant for most people. I changed the text a bit in removing traces of legal sex existing and hope those who read the post's first draft didn't feel confused ;)
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You rock!  Thank you for posting this.  :D



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Kidd, here's a question:

If society was completely open minded about behavior and didn't associate it with biological sex, would words "gender", "feminine" and "masculine" lose meaning and be removed from the dictionary? While words such as "male" would only mean a biological sex, "boy" would mean a young male, and "man" an adult male.

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Kidd, here's a question:

If society was completely open minded about behavior and didn't associate it with biological sex, would words "gender", "feminine" and "masculine" lose meaning and be removed from the dictionary? While words such as "male" would only mean a biological sex, "boy" would mean a young male, and "man" an adult male.

 

I have two transgender family members and it's more than just wanting to wear a dress. It's about getting, for them at least (It's not true for all transfolk) about getting hormone treatments and stuff like that. They feel better with the hormone treatment; it makes their bodies feel right to them.



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I have two transgender family members and it's more than just wanting to wear a dress. It's about getting, for them at least (It's not true for all transfolk) about getting hormone treatments and stuff like that. They feel better with the hormone treatment; it makes their bodies feel right to them.


It makes sense, but that would not be related to gender, only sex. It is basically cosmetic surgery.

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Kidd, here's a question:

If society was completely open minded about behavior and didn't associate it with biological sex, would words "gender", "feminine" and "masculine" lose meaning and be removed from the dictionary? While words such as "male" would only mean a biological sex, "boy" would mean a young male, and "man" an adult male.

Gender? Definitely not. Gender identity is a thing and will most likely stay no matter what. It's a part of self-identification currently and it does not appear to be inherently tied to anything in society. Tying words like "boy" and "man" to only male-sexed people (and forcing it upon them, no less) seems problematic beyond belief. Perhaps we'll find other words to describe these concepts in the future, but I don't think it's incredibly likely. There is no need to, after all. And change tends to accommodate needs.

Feminine and masculine may very well disappear with time, or at least be disassociated from genders completely and simply be words that contain lots of information at once, similar to "sassy" or "lonely."

You asked for my 0.02SEK, so there you go =)

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Kidd, what is the difference between identity and gender identity in a society in which concepts of feminity and masculinity don't exist?