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Yeah I may be late to party but I don't agree with half of what being said here.How can a thread go from different sexualities to gay parades and pubic sex?
Did you read the thread? If so, then you probably know how it went from sexualities to gay pride parades and public sex.
Anything constructive to add about sexualities, by chance?
Yikes. I don't agree with this at all. The problems wouldn't disappear at all. They would just be masked. This is what happened for hundreds of years in western society and it's what led to the "closet", which is a sad and awful way to live. We are in a time of unrest, as there are several major civil rights issues that are being discussed globally. In another 50 years, I expect that homophobia will be much more socially unacceptable and it will be less of an issue. But that's only because it's being challenged. Societal change takes time and it's uncomfortable during that time of change.
I agree with you that homophobia will never go away. But I don't think that gay people hiding who they are is the best approach to take because it just keeps the status quo in place, which is really unhealthy for gay people.
It's unfortunate, but an attitude that I have been guilty of sharing in the past and still do to a lesser extent today.
When I was in secondary school there were two homosexual people in our year, a girl and a guy, both of whom claimed to be bisexual first then later admitted that they were actually homosexual.
As a bisexual myself it left me too scared to ever say so throughout the entirety of my time at school, due to the fear of being perceived as yet another person who was claiming to be bisexual yet was actually homosexual.
It's strange to think that the homosexual people in my year had put more pressure on my to keep my sexuality hidden than anyone else, and in hindsight I think that what they did ended up causing me more grief over things than if they had never said anything about their sexuality at all. Though on the other hand if they had just been completely honest in the first place it wouldn't have caused an issue either.
Yikes. I don't agree with this at all. The problems wouldn't disappear at all. They would just be masked. This is what happened for hundreds of years in western society and it's what led to the "closet", which is a sad and awful way to live. We are in a time of unrest, as there are several major civil rights issues that are being discussed globally. In another 50 years, I expect that homophobia will be much more socially unacceptable and it will be less of an issue. But that's only because it's being challenged. Societal change takes time and it's uncomfortable during that time of change.
I agree with you that homophobia will never go away. But I don't think that gay people hiding who they are is the best approach to take because it just keeps the status quo in place, which is really unhealthy for gay people.
You are making two different cases out of this one...
First: Not initially knowing everybodys sexuality and being ok with people liking whatever they want and not necessarily knowing right away
Second: The closet. Where people had to fear getting "out of the closet" due to general unacceptance.
What I was saying is plainly that not everyone needs to know that you are gay... as it is the different way around: not everyone needs to know I am straight. The public acceptance has no role at all in it. I think that it should not matter, but it also does not matter if I am vegetarian or not. It's a bit different in scale, but in some ways the same. I don't care if you tell me you are vegetarian when you meet me. I am only interested in you telling me that you are when it comes to your eating preferences. When you tell me I accept that and you will not get force fed meat.
The one side of the medal is the public acceptance. The other side is the necessarity to know if you like the same or another sex. Not telling everyone is not hiding. I am not hiding that I like women by not telling everyone I like women.
Yeah I may be late to the party but I don't agree with half of what is being said here.How can a thread go from different sexualities to gay parades and pubic sex?And how is any of this DAI related ? Were are the mods? ....Naping?
I'd like to give you the award for the best spelling mistake of the evening.
It's unfortunate, but something I have been guilty of in the past and still am to a lesser extent today.
When I was in secondary school there were two homosexual people in our year, a girl and a guy, both of whom claimed to be bisexual first then later admitted that they were actually homosexual.
As a bisexual myself it left me too scared to ever say so throughout the entirety of my time at school, due to the fear of being perceived as yet another person who was claiming to be bisexual yet was actually homosexual.
It's strange to think that the homosexual people in my year had put more pressure on my to keep my sexuality hidden than anyone else, and in hindsight I think that what they did ended up causing me more grief over things than if they had never said anything about their sexuality at all.
That is the thing: Why would you tell anyone that you are bisexual or homosexual for that matter... except somebody asked you somehow? Is that anyones business but yourselfs?
I'd like to give you the award for the best spelling mistake of the evening.
It happens .And I'm sure it happens to you also . Do you feel better by making fun of me for it?
This is actually sad that life treated him this way...
And yet I still think it SHOULD not be this way. I can not make everyone on this planet not define him or herself by their sexuality. But it would be so much easier for everyone to get along if you just did not.
There will always be people that can not accept homosexuality. Always. If no one knows what you are into no one can judge you. This is not the main reason I feel the way I do, but it is an aspect that would make a lot of problems disappear.
It is like with religions. There is people that would condemn you to hell for being of some sort of religion they despise... but only after you let them know you believe in something different. As long as you don't tell them (and not necessarily wear stuff that points them to it) they would never ever judge you... they might even get to know you FIRST and when they find out they would KNOW you are a person they enjoy...
But the world is a bitter place...mh?
Did you read the thread? If so, then you probably know how it went from sexualities to gay pride parades and public sex.
Anything constructive to add about sexualities, by chance?
I don't need to say anything .I pretty much feel the same way as Lobos1988.
That is the thing: Why would you tell anyone that you are bisexual or homosexual for that matter... except somebody asked you somehow? Is that anyones business but yourselfs?
It's a mixed bag. On the one hand it is not really anyone business, it's true. But on the other, if someone does not know that you are interested in their gender then their is no way to ever start a relationship with them. If you are too shy to ever ask someone about their sexuality like I am then the only chance of a relationship is if they specifically ask you, which rarely happens.
On a personal level I also had trouble with my parents who would occasionally make light-hearted jokes about homosexuality or bisexuality directed at me that I found offensive, but they did not realize were upsetting me. That was fixed once I told them, since they knew to treat the subject more delicately. I've had other people do that as well.
I still don't really mention it unless it's relevant, but there are instances where it probably is better to have people know.
This only serves to benefit the people who don't approve, and these are precisely the people whose benefit should be disregarded in this respect.
They will not start liking certain people they did not like before by even more of them telling them about themselves. The only way to make them rethink what is so stuck in their minds is if they get to know you as a good person and start to like you only to discover that they were wrong.
That is the thing: Why would you tell anyone that you are bisexual or homosexual for that matter... except somebody asked you somehow? Is that anyones business but yourselfs?
If I'm in a relationship, that would come out pretty quickly in normal conversation unless I worked to hide it. On a less cheerful note, you do hear a lot less homophobic jokes when people know you're gay.
It happens .And I'm sure it happens to you also . Do you feel better by making fun of me for it?
Ah I'm sorry, I didn't intend to mock your spelling, merely point out a bit of a zinger. My apologies.
If I'm in a relationship, that would come out pretty quickly in normal conversation unless I worked to hide it. On a less cheerful note, you do hear a lot less homophobic jokes when people know you're gay.
What jokes that are homophobic are you referring to exactly?
Is it the ones guys always kinda do? Or is it the ones that there are about every gender, interest, religion or whatever?
This is not meant offensive... I really do not now any homophobic jokes... I know jokes about homosexuals... most of them I heard from my gay friend who finds them hilarious, and they are pretty funny for that matter...
If it is about all the weird guy talk that often involves kinda crazy talk about gay sex... well... I have heard gay guys talk the same way without offending each other really...
I'm genuinly interested, because I actually have never heard a really homophobic joke... just sex jokes that involve homosexuals 
There will always be people that can not accept homosexuality. Always. If no one knows what you are into no one can judge you. This is not the main reason I feel the way I do, but it is an aspect that would make a lot of problems disappear.
This comes across as a suggestion that homosexuals should just hide an aspect of their character, which is a huge part of the problem and precisely the reason why I think Pride parades probably still need to keep happening. They can stop when people are comfortable with non-heterosexual preferences and aren't suggesting that we should have a heterosexual pride parade in response.
In any case, this thread has gone way off topic and I thank a few people for some of the excellent explanations they gave for the OP's question.
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