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[Nocte ad Mortem]

Or maybe Cullen will finally be a companion next time. Or the next time. Cullen is sticking it out with DA until the end! 

[Rpgfantasyplayer]

Former_Fiend I apologize if you thought that was directed at you. It was not directed at anyone in particular. I guess I am just little tired of reading about how people hate this character or that one and that they wish they weren't a part of the game. Some people want some things and others want something else. We all can't get what we want so why must things be put down that they don't want. I really don't care about the possible grey warden guy that so many people want, but if he's there than good for those who wanted him. I just want a great game. I guess I also don't see the returning character part since we don't really know anything about anyone but Varric. To me a NPC becoming a companion is not a big deal since we really don't know them.

[Former_Fiend]

I can agree with that.

 

And I'll be the first to admit that my reasoning for not wanting Cullen as a companion is that I find the other options(Iron Bull and Beard Warden) more interesting as possible party members. I certainly want Cullen in the game, and I'd like Cullen to play a major role(which he certainly will if he's a LI), but I just feel that with this compitition, he'd work better as a NPC. And I respect that others feel differently.

 

That being said, I still don't feel that with this 'best of the best' description, that as a warrior, Cullen measures up. We haven't had him as a companion before, but we have seen him in combat situations; Circle in Origins, the possessed templar in act 1 of DA2, and of course, the climax of the same game. Nothing we've seen from him has stood out as exceptional in terms of being a combatant.

 

For that same reason I don't particularly see Cole making the cut, either. He's useless in a fight.

[Rpgfantasyplayer]

What do you consider exceptional? (Not trying to be snide). To be honest I could say that none of our PC's or previous companions have been exceptional. To me everyone seems average.

[GVulture]

I can agree with that.

 

And I'll be the first to admit that my reasoning for not wanting Cullen as a companion is that I find the other options(Iron Bull and Beard Warden) more interesting as possible party members. I certainly want Cullen in the game, and I'd like Cullen to play a major role(which he certainly will if he's a LI), but I just feel that with this compitition, he'd work better as a NPC. And I respect that others feel differently.

 

That being said, I still don't feel that with this 'best of the best' description, that as a warrior, Cullen measures up. We haven't had him as a companion before, but we have seen him in combat situations; Circle in Origins, the possessed templar in act 1 of DA2, and of course, the climax of the same game. Nothing we've seen from him has stood out as exceptional in terms of being a combatant.

 

For that same reason I don't particularly see Cole making the cut, either. He's useless in a fight.

Of course, the climax of DAII was kinda of a cluster ****. I didn't realize Zevran came and helped until my third time through.

 

As interim Knight-Commander and one of the few actual Andrastian (??) Templars in a position of power (at least one that regularly deferred to the Chant as his personal code and didn't use it to be an ass, I should point out)... I don't see him going the way of the rest of the Templars at the Asunder. I don't see him breaking from the Chantry. I see him breaking from the Order before he would break that vow to the Divine and the Chantry. Of course, YMMV there... but I see him as being one of the few loyal-to-the-Chantry Templars that aren't running around trying to squish mages. Which... well... might make him the best left. =p

 

AND ANOTHER THING...

 

You can't really gauge anyone's... capabilities from Dragon Age II. Remember that it suffers from an Unreliable Narrator. It is all from how Cas pictures Varric's descriptions after all.

 

As far as we know, Varric could be a horrible shot but an excellent liar.

[ADeadDiehard]

For that same reason I don't particularly see Cole making the cut, either. He's useless in a fight.

That said, Cole's unique circumstances could certainly give him an advantage, yes? Or did I not read Asunder thouroghly enough?

[Former_Fiend]

Well, in the previous games they weren't necessarily meant to be exceptional. They were just the best we could find who were willing to help out.

 

But we have Cassandra, and whether you like Dawn of the Seeker or not, that sets the bar pretty high.

[GVulture]

That said, Cole's unique circumstances could certainly give him an advantage, yes? Or did I not read Asunder thouroghly enough?

I don't see Cole as a companion, tbh. Considering the whole...

Spoiler

not being a person and being a fade spirit trying to possess Rhys and all

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Former_Fiend I apologize if you thought that was directed at you. It was not directed at anyone in particular. I guess I am just little tired of reading about how people hate this character or that one and that they wish they weren't a part of the game. Some people want some things and others want something else. We all can't get what we want so why must things be put down that they don't want. I really don't care about the possible grey warden guy that so many people want, but if he's there than good for those who wanted him. I just want a great game. I guess I also don't see the returning character part since we don't really know anything about anyone but Varric. To me a NPC becoming a companion is not a big deal since we really don't know them.

The character that seems the most interesting to me is Cole and people trash that idea all the time, too. I wouldn't take it personally. You're right, we can't all get what we want and, in a perfect world, everyone would just get along and try to see the positive side of the characters we do get. People just get attached to concepts and, especially when it feels like they're still "fighting" for that concept and nothing is confirmed, it's just natural to tear down other concepts because you don't want them to fill "your" slot. It's unfortunate, but I wouldn't get worked up about it. We'll get who we get, in the end, and nothing we're saying right now is going to change it. It's way too late now, anyway. 

[Rpgfantasyplayer]

I have never seen Dawn of the Seeker so I am just going off the novels and previous games. So to me I see her as just being a seeker and nothing special in terms of abilities.

[HiroVoid]

I have never seen Dawn of the Seeker so I am just going off the novels and previous games. So to me I see her as just being a seeker and nothing special in terms of abilities.

Pfft.  Obviously, you haven't seen her single-handedly raking down blood mages and taking down golems in one hit.

[RynJ]

What do you consider exceptional? (Not trying to be snide). To be honest I could say that none of our PC's or previous companions have been exceptional. To me everyone seems average.

 

Really? I was under the impression that you and all of your companions were always meant to be exceptional. Which is why you win every fight and such.

[GVulture]

I have never seen Dawn of the Seeker so I am just going off the novels and previous games. So to me I see her as just being a seeker and nothing special in terms of abilities.

She isn't even a Templar trained Seeker at that. She is just a (former?) Hand of the Divine.

[GVulture]

Really? I was under the impression that you and all of your companions were always meant to be exceptional. Which is why you win every fight and such.

"Remind me never to get on our bad side. Seems to be... unhealthy."

[Rpgfantasyplayer]

Hiro void

I can only reference what I saw in DA2 when it comes to her. But all our PC's and companions have pretty much been able to do the same thing so to me that doesn't make her special. That is why I said they have all seemed average. That is my opinion though so I guess my opinion of exceptional is totally different from other peoples.

[ajramsey]

- Cullen confirmed as a companion and love interest.

- Cassandra is also a love interest.

- Flemeth will return. And there was a hint about dragons.

- There will be a base camp.

- Some open-world maps will change as you progress through playing. (No more Deja Vu)

- You can repeat conversations as they were in Origins.

- Combat is a mixture of Origins and the sequel.

- The Fade isn’t going to be as much of an open world environment. It will appear during some story sequences.

- Qunari inquisitor is Tal'Vashoth

 

is this for reals?!!!!

I hope so all of this excites me!

[RynJ]

Hiro void

I can only reference what I saw in DA2 when it comes to her. But all our PC's and companions have pretty much been able to do the same thing so to me that doesn't make her special. That is why I said they have all seemed average. That is my opinion though so I guess my opinion of exceptional is totally different from other peoples.

 

What would make an exceptional character in your eyes?

 

I'm actually curious, no sass or anything.

[Rpgfantasyplayer]

I guess in terms of the characters they are indeed exceptional, but when everyone you travel with can do the same thing as you I see that as every character being average within that group. (If that makes sense.) So for example if Cassandra was they only one able to kill a golem and someone else could only kill a rock wraith then within that group that would be exceptional.

[Former_Fiend]

Of course, the climax of DAII was kinda of a cluster ****. I didn't realize Zevran came and helped until my third time through.

 

As interim Knight-Commander and one of the few actual Andrastian (??) Templars in a position of power (at least one that regularly deferred to the Chant as his personal code and didn't use it to be an ass, I should point out)... I don't see him going the way of the rest of the Templars at the Asunder. I don't see him breaking from the Chantry. I see him breaking from the Order before he would break that vow to the Divine and the Chantry. Of course, YMMV there... but I see him as being one of the few loyal-to-the-Chantry Templars that aren't running around trying to squish mages. Which... well... might make him the best left. =p

 

AND ANOTHER THING...

 

You can't really gauge anyone's... capabilities from Dragon Age II. Remember that it suffers from an Unreliable Narrator. It is all from how Cas pictures Varric's descriptions after all.

 

As far as we know, Varric could be a horrible shot but an excellent liar.

 

Of course, the climax of DAII was kinda of a cluster ****. I didn't realize Zevran came and helped until my third time through.

 

As interim Knight-Commander and one of the few actual Andrastian (??) Templars in a position of power (at least one that regularly deferred to the Chant as his personal code and didn't use it to be an ass, I should point out)... I don't see him going the way of the rest of the Templars at the Asunder. I don't see him breaking from the Chantry. I see him breaking from the Order before he would break that vow to the Divine and the Chantry. Of course, YMMV there... but I see him as being one of the few loyal-to-the-Chantry Templars that aren't running around trying to squish mages. Which... well... might make him the best left. =p

 

AND ANOTHER THING...

 

You can't really gauge anyone's... capabilities from Dragon Age II. Remember that it suffers from an Unreliable Narrator. It is all from how Cas pictures Varric's descriptions after all.

 

As far as we know, Varric could be a horrible shot but an excellent liar.

 

Fair enough.

 

That being said, I actually see Cullen's high rank and presumed loyalty to the Chantry as a slight against him being a companion. Presumably he'll have other things to do than follow the inquisitor around all day.

[RynJ]

I guess in terms of the characters they are indeed exceptional, but when everyone you travel with can do the same thing as you I see that as every character being average within that group. (If that makes sense.) So for example if Cassandra was they only one able to kill a golem and someone else could only kill a rock wraith then within that group that would be exceptional.

 

Ahh, I see what you're saying. That would be interesting but then I imagine the one with the exceptional abilities would probably be your player character. 

 

I guess by that line of thought, you and your companions are exceptional compared to everybody else but aren't so exceptional compared with each other.

[Rpgfantasyplayer]

Ahh, I see what you're saying. That would be interesting but then I imagine the one with the exceptional abilities would probably be your player character. 
 
I guess by that line of thought, you and your companions are exceptional compared to everybody else but aren't so exceptional compared with each other.

Exactly what I meant. My other thought is that if all people within an order are taught the same things are they able to be different from the rest in that order by learning different things or would they all be able to do the same thing? If that is the case, then anyone from that order would do. So what exactly makes them exceptional from the rest of the people in their order? So I guess I am wondering in what way are they exceptional?

[RynJ]

Exactly what I meant. My other thought is that if all people within an order are taught the same things are they able to be different from the rest in that order by learning different things or would they all be able to do the same thing? If that is the case, then anyone from that order would do. So what exactly makes them exceptional from the rest of the people in their order? So I guess I am wondering in what way are they exceptional?

 

I'd assume that they would have the same abilities but exceptional ones in that order would be better at them and more effective in a battle. So you have two Templars who both have the same ability to counter magic but one is much better at countering magic and is thus a much better fighter. I think you're intertwining exceptional and unique. One can be exceptionally skilled without necessarily having a unique ability.

 

Edit: But now that I think about it, the definition of exceptional suggests something is atypical or beyond normal range. I guess I just automatically look at exceptional as just meaning "really, really, really good at something" 

[Rpgfantasyplayer]

I'd assume that they would have the same abilities but exceptional ones in that order would be better at them and more effective in a battle. So you have two Templars who both have the same ability to counter magic but one is much better at countering magic and is thus a much better fighter. I think you're intertwining exceptional and unique. One can be exceptionally skilled without necessarily having a unique ability.
 
Edit: But now that I think about it, the definition of exceptional suggests something is atypical or beyond normal range. I guess I just automatically look at exceptional as just meaning "really, really, really good at something" 

True. Maybe I am over thinking this. Which I think it is safe to say I probably am.

[RynJ]

True. Maybe I am over thinking this. Which I think it is safe to say I probably am.

 

Haha well this is certainly the place for over-thinking things! You're not alone!