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[Jadebaby]

So he fought reaper all mass effect 1,

he fought them again in 2 and even touched artifact in 2,

around them in 3 again and starts having weird dreams...

 

How was Shepard not Inductionated by Reapers?

[AresKeith]

Special snowflake syndrome

[Talagen]

Special snowflake syndrome

 

 

Yeah...Pretty much this...

[Iakus]

Because organic energy.

[Mordokai]

Well, there are multiple references scattered throughout the trilogy how mentally strong Shepard is. You could probably say her mental fortitude is legendary, above human. You could go from there.

 

But yeah, more than likely, it's a good deal of her being required not to succumb until needed.

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[Farangbaa]

How was Shepard not Inductionated by Reapers?

 

Only Tali can answer this

[Cknarf]

After losing his family at Mindoir, and his men at Akuze, the fact that Shepard can still function shows he's pretty strong mentally.

[ImaginaryMatter]

So he fought reaper all mass effect 1,

he fought them again in 2 and even touched artifact in 2,

around them in 3 again and starts having weird dreams...

 

How was Shepard not Inductionated by Reapers?

 

My theory is that during the Lazarus project his limbic system was incorporated with more synthetic parts or entirely replaced by cybernetics. Since Indoctrination works through the limbic system on Organics this would make Shepard physically immune to Indoctrination.

 

So basically, by being incorporated with an extensive about amount of cybernetics he becomes immune towards a process aimed solely at Organics.

[CrutchCricket]

My theory is that during the Lazarus project his limbic system was incorporated with more synthetic parts or entirely replaced by cybernetics. Since Indoctrination works through the limbic system on Organics this would make Shepard physically immune to Indoctrination.

 

So basically, by being incorporated with an extensive about of cybernetics he becomes immune towards a process aimed solely at Organics.

 

Is the limbic system thing fact? If so, this is probably one of the most plausible explanations on the subject I've ever read.

 

Of course, why the Reapers don't just try to hack him instead, or why Cerberus doesn't get with the program before running their mad science bullshit on Reaper tech will forever remain a mystery.

[KaiserShep]

My theory is that during the Lazarus project his limbic system was incorporated with more synthetic parts or entirely replaced by cybernetics. Since Indoctrination works through the limbic system on Organics this would make Shepard physically immune to Indoctrination.

 

So basically, by being incorporated with an extensive about of cybernetics he becomes immune towards a process aimed solely at Organics.

I really like this explanation. It would've made for an interesting element in the story, considering how often Shepard was exposed to Reaper Madness. Only thing is, TIM seemed to have some pretty wild mojo making Shepard shoot Anderson. If only Shepard was a mage. (S)he could've just broken free and shot him right there.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Since Indoctrination works through the limbic system on Organics this would make Shepard physically immune to Indoctrination.

It's an interesting hypothesis, but Shepard did get affected by Reaper indoctrination during the TIM encounter.

[themikefest]

Since ME3 was made for the new player, Shepard didn't have time to get indoctrinated.

[Mcfly616]

It's an interesting hypothesis, but Shepard did get affected by Reaper indoctrination during the TIM encounter.

sure....it was Reaper 'power'. But was it Indoctrination? Seemed more like what Paul Grayson achieved. Controlling motor functions and such. Not the mind.

[ImaginaryMatter]

I got the limbic system thing from the Codex: "Reaper "indoctrination" is an insidious means of corrupting organic minds, "reprogramming" the brain through physical and psychological conditioning using electromagnetic fields, infrasonic and ultrasonic noise, and other subliminal methods. The Reaper's resulting control over the limbic system leaves the victim highly susceptible to its suggestions."

 

I guess there's some major things against my theory. One, EDI states that Shepard is not a transhuman because, "[his] brain functions are organic." In defense, I have no idea what this means and if it's relevant. Another is TIM's part. I don't know if this was intended to be Indoctrination (or some form of it) or not. I lean towards it not being, because TIM's ability in the scene seems more akin to telekinesis, as he can control Shepard's and Anderson's bodies but not their minds; while Indoctrination is psychological manipulation not mind control, at least until the later stages.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

sure....it was Reaper 'power'. But was it Indoctrination? Seemed more like what Paul Grayson achieved. Controlling motor functions and such. Not the mind.

 

 

Probably both. Whispering voices is a telltale sign of Reaper (mind) indoctrination, it's just not immediate like the Grayson's body control.

[Kabooooom]

Shep also passed out near a Reaper Artfact for two days and experienced an identical vision to the one that the indoctrinated people on the asteroid experienced. That was probably his most prolonged exposure to Reaper tech (unless you count the IFF or EDI, and I don't) and it definitely affected him. But still, he wasn't indoctrinated as the Prothean VI didn't detect indoctrination on him.

However, Indoctrination isn't an either/or event. It is a gradation, as the Reapers allow for more freedom in exchange for utility of the indoctrinated servant. It's entirely plausible that Shepard was affected by indoctrination to some degree, but it was below the threshold of what the VI could detect.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

So he fought reaper all mass effect 1,

he fought them again in 2 and even touched artifact in 2,

around them in 3 again and starts having weird dreams...

 

How was Shepard not Inductionated by Reapers?

Hi Jade, 

Long time....

 

Here is your answer:

 

Spoiler

This is a typical Bioware story. In ME2 Shepard dies, but not really. It's symbolic. He's rebuilt by Miranda Lawson using Reaper Tech and Reaper based tech. This is the same as your character in DA:O drinking Darkspawn Blood. Shepard now possesses the taint: synthetic and reaper parts. Like the Grey Warden is immune to being turned into darkspawn, Shepard is immune to indoctrination. Shepard defeats the minions of the Harbinger or the Arch Demon in ME2.

Stay with me. This gets deeper.

At the end of ME2, Shepard thinks he won a victory by destroying a mass relay and stopping a Reaper invasion. This blight... err Reaper invasion would be the strongest blight... err Reaper invasion ever.

Then the Reapers invade Earth. It is well known that the Grey Warden can have visions of the Arch Demon, and Shepard has such a vision of him at the beginning: the vent kid, and this is why Shepard is the only one who can see the kid. It is also well known that the Grey Warden has dreams of the Arch Demon, hence the dreams. I dream of Harby with the light brown hair. Am I making sense? Are things starting to come together?

The ending is a typical Bioware ending with all the bull**** frosting stripped off of it. Let me explain.

1) Shepard is taken to the top of Ft. Drakon... err the base of the Citadel Tower, and meets the Arch Demon on a secret level. Instead of having a big boss fight, you have a boss conversation where the Arch Demon lays it all out for you. He doesn't lie. This is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

A) Destroy: It is in your power to destroy us. You can destroy all synthetic life if you want, including the Geth. Even you are partly synthetic. The Reapers will be destroyed, but the peace won't last. Soon, your children will build synthetics and the chaos will begin again. Normally you would have died on this choice, but if you worked hard enough and played enough multi-player you would have high enough EMS for the breath scene. Multi-player was Morrigan's ritual. You live.

Control: Shepard possessed the taint of synthetics and could absorb the soul of the Arch Demon. Shepard would die, but the Reapers would obey. The Citadel was not destroyed. The relays survived. This was the GOOD ending. It was the heroic sacrifice. No one else dies today. Why couldn't The Illusive Man control the Reapers? Because he was selfish and greedy. He lusted for power. His body was being taken over by the taint. The Reapers already controlled him.

C) Synthesis: This was the Arch Demon's solution. Joining. Synthetics learn through understanding. Blah blah blah. This is why DA: Awakenings had intelligent Darkspawn. In Synthesis we get self-aware husks for the first time. Banshees that speak, Brutes who speak, Marauders who speak. Even Cannibals who speak. The Reapers themselves share their knowledge with us. Bioware took Jade Empire's bad ending and changed it into the "best" ending. But the relays are destroyed in this ending, and they are not repaired. However Mac and Casey put as much thought into this ending as they did into ordering that pizza that fateful night: Sausage on half, pepperoni on the other, and mushrooms and spinach on the whole thing. It's green because of the spinach, and Shepard is represented by the mushrooms.

Does this all make sense now? I hope now that we've seen a stripped down Bioware ending that we see something more creative in Dragon Age Awakenings.

[wolfhowwl]

For the same reason a Mage PC in Dragon Age doesn't have any problems with demons.

[Perpetual Nirvana]

Just briefly being in proximity to a Reaper isn't enough to indoctrinate you. You need prolonged, sustained contact. Otherwise everybody would be indoctrinated when the Reapers show up on mass in ME3.

[Iakus]

Like being kept unconcious near one for several continuous days?

[DeathScepter]

as long as the inital hooks are there, any further reaper indoctrination can be done with other Reapers or Reaper tech.

[Perpetual Nirvana]

Like being kept unconcious near one for several continuous days?

 

True. But considering ME3 plays out exactly the same whether you did Arrival or not (aside from a few lines of dialogue) it seems like nothing actually happened to Shepard while Kenson had them sedated.

 

It seems like Harbinger wants Shepard to be fully Shepard the same way TIM does. That's the only reason I can think of why the Reapers never try to indoctrinate Shepard like Kenson's team.

[DeathScepter]

in a thematic sense, Doing Arrival makes overall sense if Shepard did it within ME2 and him serving jail time for that. As for Working with Cerberus, well it is the Spectre's duty to protect by any means avaible.  Destroying a Solar System is consider cross line regardless if you are a spectre or not.

[Perpetual Nirvana]

in a thematic sense, Doing Arrival makes overall sense if Shepard did it within ME2 and him serving jail time for that. As for Working with Cerberus, well it is the Spectre's duty to protect by any means avaible.  Destroying a Solar System is consider cross line regardless if you are a spectre or not.

 

No, I agree. Especially if the Council really wanted to arrest Shepard for working with Cerberus they could have done so when Shepard came to see them.

 

Also an aside here, contrary to popular belief, Spectres can't do whatever the hell they want. They simply don't answer to any branch of authority other than the Council. The Council consider Cerberus a major threat to the security of Citadel space so they are well within their rights to withhold Shepard's Spectre status (which the replacement Council actually does) and have Shepard arrested for working with them. The only reason they don't is Shepard is operating in the Terminus systems, outside Council juristiction. For all the talk of how unhelpful the Council are, they actually give Shepard a lot of leeway.

 

Point is Shepard can't have been indoctrinated by Artifact Rho when there's a chance Shepard never came into contact with it.