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[Jadebaby]

When they go to such lengths to make their universe so plausible as in the Codex of Mass Effect 1.. The simple ROC explanation to Shepard is both degrading to this fictional setting and abhorrent storytelling.

[FlyingSquirrel]

It seems to me that a simpler explanation is that the Reapers don't want to indoctrinate Shepard. They appear curious about Shepard starting around the time that s/he is brought back by Cerberus in ME2, presumably for leadership abilities, and may prefer to harvest someone like Shepard in a "pure" state unaltered by indoctrination.

[CrutchCricket]

Actually there is, when you return to Priority Earth it is said that months have passed since the Reaper invasion. Now while that isn't exactly the same as a direct 1min:1sec ratio and instead can be rationalized by "blank" periods of time between missions. There is still nothing to say that the mission on the derelict reaper took anything less than 2 days, if I choose to take that long completing the mission. It's all relative.

 

As for Object Rho and Arrival dlc. I find it more plausible to have the "canon" Shepard inductionated by that artifact and all other Shepards that never did the dlc inductionated by exposure to reaper tech throughout 1-3. Than to say, "oh it's a dlc and not everyone will play it therefore Shepard cant be inductionated."

 

Obviously, since you've been zipping around the galaxy. Even with relays and FTL it's going to take months to cross it, let alone flit in and out of each system in a cluster. Scanning a system would probably take days or a couple of weeks. CompletionistShep is an asshole who spent months maybe even a year in random remote systems scanning for things he just happened to overhear someone mention while people in invaded areas everywhere died by the millions.

 

But that's space travel. There's no comparison between that and Shepard walking through a bunch of corridors and shooting a few mooks. That takes as long as it takes. You can break it of course if you do leave your computer on for days but that won't mean Shepard stood around like an idiot with his squad for days (and who's the bigger idiot Shepard for standing there like a dolt or the squadmates for standing there waiting for him?) There's an upper limit that breaks credibility but no real lower limit in cases where it's a real time mission with no blackouts or similar "time elapsed" elements.

 

There isn't really a plausible explanation for Object Rho failing to indoctrinate Shepard, I agree. Some kind of indoctrination meter mechanic in ME3 would've been cool.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

 

I'm sure you noticed how the time in those games was sped up. One min=one sec. Do the conversion and that's your real time. It also means everything in those games is technically sped up and characters perceieve time that much faster...

Of course, there's nothing of the sort explicitly stated in Mass Effect.

 

 

I know. That was the point I was trying to highlight with my post next to Julia's. It's not all the time however. According to Robosexual in the Sovereign vs Catalyst thread (aka The Bad One), it is the case, even when it's in realtime.

 

Technically though, in GTA, 48 minutes is 1 day in universe.

[von uber]

Yeah, as I pointed out in another thread (which people didn't seem to get the point I was making as I ended up being rather confusing), there is not enought time for ME1 to 3 to happen in the supposed time frame of 4 years.

[CrutchCricket]

I know. That was the point I was trying to highlight with my post next to Julia's. It's not all the time however. According to Robosexual in the Sovereign vs Catalyst thread (aka The Bad One), it is the case, even when it's in realtime.

 

Technically though, in GTA, 48 minutes is 1 day in universe.

 

So much fail in that thread. I honestly respect your ability to put up with it. You know I can argue random bullshit for days, but these people...

 

Yeah, as I pointed out in another thread (which people didn't seem to get the point I was making as I ended up being rather confusing), there is not enought time for ME1 to 3 to happen in the supposed time frame of 4 years.

 

4 years altogether, from start to finish? That is a little tight. 2 years between ME1 and 2, 6 months give or take between 2 and 3. Then you have the time of each game. At least 6-8 months for each just on the travel. ME1 would be on the shorter end of that range I think but ME2 and 3 definitely on the longer side... yeah I think it would be over. Maybe not by a lot. 5-6 years total from Eden Prime to RGB?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

But it's supposed to be only 3 years from the end of ME1 to the start of ME3. 

 

If one takes this graphic shot to be true, because it is IN THE GAME, the reapers are about 200,000 ly out. At 30 light years/day which is supposed to be their maximum speed in FTL they couldn't have made to the Alpha Relay in 3 years. I used Celestia to get a comparative graphic size to get the distance. Do the math. It would take 18 years. I think that's long enough to prepare for the invasion unless everyone goes *derp* *derp* *derp*.

 

http://youtu.be/Ow8fcT21fRo?t=1m5s

[CrutchCricket]

Unless they were already on the move before Sovereign made its last play...

 

Damn it Bioware y u no like Sovereign?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Unless they were already on the move before Sovereign made its last play...

 

Damn it Bioware y u no like Sovereign?

 

There is a tweet out there somewhere in the internet world that I have no intention of searching for from one of the writers that stated that the Reapers began traveling to the Alpha Relay immediately after Sovereign failed. That post was made sometime between Arrival and ME3.

[AlanC9]

If one takes this graphic shot to be true, because it is IN THE GAME,

It's hardly the only space shot in the series that contradicts the lore. ME1 was full of them.

[themikefest]

When you talk with Tali on the Presidium in ME3 she mentions its been 3 years  to the day since the assassins attacked her on the Citadel.

That would be 6 months after arrival to start of ME3, 1 month after Sovereign blows up , Shepard dies, it takes 1 month(I might be wrong) to hand Shepard to Cerberus and Shepard under the knife for 24.5 months. Leaving most of ME1, all of ME2 and about half of ME3 to happen in 3,5-4 months.

Here's the video of her saying that

[DeathScepter]

Between A cluster **** of a mess of ME3 or Indoctrination Theory, I rather prefer Indoctrination Theory within MASS EFFECT 3 framework.

[Daemul]

When you talk with Tali on the Presidium in ME3 she mentions its been 3 years to the day since the assassins attacked her on the Citadel.
That would be 6 months after arrival to start of ME3, 1 month after Sovereign blows up , Shepard dies, it takes 1 month(I might be wrong) to hand Shepard to Cerberus and Shepard under the knife for 24.5 months. Leaving most of ME1, all of ME2 and about half of ME3 to happen in 3,5-4 months.
Here's the video of her saying that

24.5 month's? Jacob tells us in ME2 that Shepard was gone for 2 years 12 days, and that he was on the operating table for most of it.

Go to 49.00

Shepard after Thessia also says that Liara has been warning her people for "four years".

Go to 3:45

[themikefest]

24.5 month's? Jacob tells us in ME2 that Shepard was gone for 2 years 12 days, and that he was on the operating table for most of it.

Go to 49.00

Shepard after Thessia also says that Liara has been warning her people for "four years".

Go to 3:45

24.5 months is 2 years 15 days. Most of it or not he/she was gone for that time.

 

Bioware may want to check what all the writers are writing and see what they write matches.  

[Daemul]

24.5 months is 2 years 15 days. Most of it or not he/she was gone for that time.

 

Bioware may want to check what all the writers are writing and see what they write matches.  

 Ah yes, you're right, 24.5 months is 2 years 15 days, I had a reading comprehension fail there. 

 

I agree with you about the writers being aware about what the other's are doing, there's too much inconsistencies between different events and passage of time in ME3, the most notable being how long the Reaper War actually went on for, with quotes from different characters putting it in the range of a number of weeks to a year, and the other being when the Zha'til rebelled, Javik tells you in his first conversation that it was before the Reapers arrived, whilst on the Geth Dreadnought he says it was the Reapers who caused them to rebel, and then once again after the Geth Dreadnought mission he once again implies that it was before the Reapers arrived. Bioware did not proofread the script very well at all. 

[grey_wind]

 Ah yes, you're right, 24.5 months is 2 years 15 days, I had a reading comprehension fail there. 

 

I agree with you about the writers being aware about what the other's are doing, there's too much inconsistencies between different events and passage of time in ME3, the most notable being how long the Reaper War actually went on for, with quotes from different characters putting it in the range of a number of weeks to a year, and the other being when the Zha'til rebelled, Javik tells you in his first conversation that it was before the Reapers arrived, whilst on the Geth Dreadnought he says it was the Reapers who caused them to rebel, and then once again after the Geth Dreadnought mission he once again implies that it was before the Reapers arrived. Bioware did not proofread the script very well at all. 

Considering that they admitted that they completely forgot that Thane was a love interest, this shouldn't surprise anyone.

[KaiserShep]

Considering that they admitted that they completely forgot that Thane was a love interest, this shouldn't surprise anyone.

That's hilarious. Like, "Holy sh*t...we made romance content for this joker?"

[Kenshen]

But I'm still of the opinion that Shepard isn't on the dead Reaper long enough for it to take hold. You can do the mission in less than thirty minutes. If Reapers can get there hooks in you that quickly then everyone should be indoctrinated, especially those leading the front lines on Earth, Palaven, etc. It's just not enough time. And even if it is why doesn't it affect the entire squad? Why just Shepard?

 

Sure it took you 30 mintues to do it but if it were real it would have taken much longer than that.  Same for the collector base that mission takes me about 1hour give or take but if that was done in RL it would be a heck of a lot longer.  I agree with your point about the whole crew.  If there are questions about Shep then there should be for Garrus and Tali as well since they are with us all 3 games and comment on missions like they were actually there even if I didn't take them.  Then there are the lesser crew members in ME2 who spent how much time in those tubes waiting to be turned into goo yet none of them ended up indoctinated.

[Farangbaa]

That's hilarious. Like, "Holy sh*t...we made romance content for this joker?"

 

They did end up making romance content for Joker though

[Iakus]

They did end up making romance content for Joker though

 

For the low, low price of $15

[Steelcan]

That's hilarious. Like, "Holy sh*t...we made romance content for this joker?"

Which makes the fact that he was originally created to be a romance very ironic