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[daveliam]

Huh.  Thought it was confirmed a while back the LI's could be romanced by either gender.  Guess that was just a semi-confirmed rumor.

 

Yeah, it's implied, but not confirmed.  They originally said that the resources for romances were about the same as DA 2, so that sounds like 4 (since Sebastian was a DLC).  Gaider has implied that, while he prefers the DA: O approach, he would choose to do an all bisexual approach again if they couldn't give equal options to everyone.  So I think people put those two pieces of information together as a confirmation of all bisexual LIs again, but in reality it's just speculation still. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The fact they didn't say who can romance Cassandra and Cullen leads me to assume there are no preferences at all aka they are playersexual.

[Battlebloodmage]

Announcing LIs isn't "more important" than announcing other story elements, or how the classes function, but if they're going to announce LIs then I think it's fair that they include the entire audience in that specific announcement. It's just two different issues. If I said, "you told them that warriors can dual wield again, but you didn't tell me if I can romance Cullen, that's not fair!", then obviously that would make no sense. Making the announcement knowing people intending to romance Cassandra/Cullen in a hetero relationship will get clarification and not adding the clarification for people wanting to know if they're same-sex available shows pointed unfairness. I'm willing to accept that they probably just didn't think about it, but I think it should be cleared up. 

We don't know if Cullen is straight just as we don't know if other characters like Solas would be gay (If he were a LI). As Gaider's stand on the issue, we would have roughly the same amount regardless, so we wouldn't be lost out whether we choose to romance same gender or opposite gender. What you want now is asking them to tell you if the game had the actual sexual orientation or playersexual system. That is a feature in the game that they may want to reveal at a later date. We don't know but calling them rude because they don't give out all the information after all they had done is a bit impolite. The people who actually use the LGBT feature would be insignificant compared to the overall sales so for Bioware to go as far as giving equal options for everyone is actually very generous of them. Rude would be Nintendo thinking it's okay to hit a transwoman but not actual females. All I'm saying is don't bite the hand that feed ya.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

When have they ever clarified a character's sexuality, especially alongside the announcement that they're a LI in the first place? Why should the lack of clarification mean anything? This is not exactly new behavior for them, nor something anyone needs to be surprised or concerned by. There's ambiguity across the board, and the game is months and months away. Getting one's hopes up and maybe being let down is how this whole prerelease hype thing works.

[Battlebloodmage]

Yes, but they made a point of announcing 2 LI's. This is a new tidbit of news for romance fans to get excited about. But since the two announced LI's have had previous noted attractions, it leads to Cullen and Cassandra fans who are interested in M/F romance to have confirmation, but the fans who are interested in M/M and F/F don't have that confirmation and are left up in the air.

Your point being? Like I stated, knowing Mr. Gaider's position. If they were exclusively straight, then there could potentially be exclusively gay options. He stated many times that he would prefer fairness overall, but he would like to have sexual orientations if resources are available. By that, it would mean that all the options could be bi or we could also have exclusively gay characters to foil the exclusively straight ones.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

We don't know if Cullen is straight just as we don't know if other characters like Solas would be gay (If he were a LI). As Gaider's stand on the issue, we would have roughly the same amount regardless, so we wouldn't be lost out whether we choose to romance same gender or opposite gender. What you want now is asking them to tell you if the game had the actual sexual orientation or playersexual system. That is a feature in the game that they may want to reveal at a later date. We don't know but calling them rude because they don't give out all the information after all they had done is a bit impolite. The people who actually use the LGBT feature would be insignificant compared to the overall sales so for Bioware to go as far as giving equal options for everyone is actually very generous of them. Rude would be Nintendo thinking it's okay to hit a transwoman but not actual females. All I'm saying is don't bite the hand that feed ya.

I don't think it's "impolite" at all to expect to be as included in their announcements as the rest of the audience. If they weren't ready to tell us about the gender/romance system is, then they should have just held off announcing LIs until they were ready, so everyone could hear about them at the same time. 

[sandalisthemaker]

I don't think it's "impolite" at all to expect to be as included in their announcements as the rest of the audience. If they weren't ready to tell us about the gender/romance system is, then they should have just held off announcing LIs until they were ready, so everyone could hear about them at the same time. 

 

This.

 

Perhaps if they had told us that 2 totally new characters who have not had previous attractions shown were LI's (Let's say Vivienne and Solas for example) then I personally wouldn't be as concerned because then no one would know who could romance them.

[Battlebloodmage]

I don't think it's "impolite" at all to expect to be as included in their announcements as the rest of the audience. If they weren't ready to tell us about the gender/romance system is, then they should have just held off announcing LIs until they were ready, so everyone could hear about them at the same time. 

You are just making implications that they're straight just as people thought Anders were 100% straight. We don't know that. I don't think it's fair to withhold information for those who are fans of Cullen and Cassandra. I would rather hear about Cullen's inclusion as a LI now than later. What you're actually doing is telling the developers to ignore the people who want to hear about Cullen and Cassandra simply because what you want is not part of the announcement. I don't even think that the thought about playersexuality even cross their mind when they announce it and mostly just the happiness the news may make Cullen and Cassandra fans feel. As a Cullen fan who would want to romance him as a dude, I'm ecstatic to hear about the news regardless.

[BlueMagitek]

I don't think it's "impolite" at all to expect to be as included in their announcements as the rest of the audience. If they weren't ready to tell us about the gender/romance system is, then they should have just held off announcing LIs until they were ready, so everyone could hear about them at the same time. 

 

I think you're being a bit harsh.  Taking this line of logic, should they not announce any sort of alternate specialization?  If, say, they announced that Bard was a possible Rogue spec and nothing else, would you raise complaint that, because there was no announcement for the other classes, they should have just withheld this information?

[Nocte ad Mortem]

This.

 

Perhaps if they had told us that 2 totally new characters who have not had previous attractions shown were LI's (Let's say Vivienne and Solas for example) then I personally wouldn't be as concerned because then no one would know who could romance them.

I feel that way, too. It's just frustrating that they told us about two characters that would clearly be available to hetero pairings, but ambiguous towards same sex pairings. 

 

I'm totally willing to be patient for information, generally, but I think it's unfair to be asked to wait for the same basic information that another part of the audience was already given. 

[Allan Schumacher]

Yes, but they made a point of announcing 2 LI's. This is a new tidbit of news for romance fans to get excited about. But since the two announced LI's have had previous noted attractions, it leads to Cullen and Cassandra fans who are interested in M/F romance to have confirmation, but the fans who are interested in M/M and F/F don't have that confirmation and are left up in the air.

 

I'm having a hard time determining exactly what benefits a confirmation like this would give you.

[sandalisthemaker]

You are just making implications that they're straight just as people thought Anders were 100% straight. We don't know that. I don't think it's fair to withhold information for those who are fans of Cullen and Cassandra. I would rather hear about Cullen's inclusion as a LI now than later. What you're actually doing is telling the developers to ignore the people who want to hear about Cullen and Cassandra simply because what you want is not part of the announcement. I don't even think that the thought about playersexuality even cross their mind when they announce it and mostly just the happiness the news may make Cullen and Cassandra fans feel. As a Cullen fan who would want to romance him as a dude, I'm ecstatic to hear about the news regardless.

 

The difference with Anders is that just because he only stated an attraction to women in DA:A doesn't mean he was never attracted to men. You know this argument well, so I'm surprised you used it.  Unless they are going to ignore the previous opposite gender attractions of Cassandra and Cullen and make them Lesbian and Gay instead, then it is much more of a given that they are available for M/F romance.

 

The announcement happened and can't be taken back. If they had never announced anything, then this issue wouldn't exist.

[Aner91]

You are just making implications that they're straight just as people thought Anders were 100% straight. We don't know that. I don't think it's fair to withhold information for those who are fans of Cullen and Cassandra. I would rather hear about Cullen's inclusion as a LI now than later. What you're actually doing is telling the developers to ignore the people who want to hear about Cullen and Cassandra simply because what you want is not part of the announcement. I don't even think that the thought about playersexuality even cross their mind when they announce it and mostly just the happiness the news may make Cullen and Cassandra fans feel. As a Cullen fan who would want to romance him as a dude, I'm ecstatic to hear about the news regardless.

 

Cullen better keep his " Big templar sword" away from me lol and i must say with that profile name and that you want to romance Cullen is funny ( i know it's just a name but still ). Happy for all of the Cullenists though

[Battlebloodmage]

This.

 

Perhaps if they had told us that 2 totally new characters who have not had previous attractions shown were LI's (Let's say Vivienne and Solas for example) then I personally wouldn't be as concerned because then no one would know who could romance them.

Why? For the sake of equality? I don't the thought even crosses their mind that people would be offended by them sharing information. They're probably just happy to be able to tell fans new information after staying for silence for so long. We have already know David Gaider's stand, so why does it matter if they announce who are LI? When the game releases, we would have more or less the same amount of LIs whether we choose to play as opposite sex or same sex.

[HiroVoid]

I'm having a hard time determining exactly what benefits a confirmation like this would give you.

It's seen as unfair and other issues because since there's been no confirmation on how the compation LI's will swing this time around because there's a chance those announced won't be available to same sex interested people.  It could also lead to disappointment in the future if this was true, and people would blame Bioware for not clarifying earlier.

 

In other words, it's kind of a 'peace of mind' or 'Get rid of my worries' type issue I believe. Anyone feel free to clarify me.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

You are just making implications that they're straight just as people thought Anders were 100% straight. We don't know that. I don't think it's fair to withhold information for those who are fans of Cullen and Cassandra. I would rather hear about Cullen's inclusion as a LI now than later. What you're actually doing is telling the developers to ignore the people who want to hear about Cullen and Cassandra simply because what you want is not part of the announcement. I don't even think that the thought about playersexuality even cross their mind when they announce it and mostly just the happiness the news may make Cullen and Cassandra fans feel. As a Cullen fan who would want to romance him as a dude, I'm ecstatic to hear about the news regardless.

I said before that I'm sure they didn't think about it. I understand that and I'm not going to hold some longstanding grudge about it. I'm not saying Bioware set out at PAX to insult the LGB fans. I'm sure it was an innocent mistake. I just think it's more fair to clear it up now that it's been pointed out. And, yes, I think it's more fair to wait until everyone can get the same information at the same time. That's not being unfair. That's being completely and totally equal. Demanding your information FIRST is unfair. Saying, "we should all wait together", is fair. 

 

I'm not assuming they're straight. They might be bisexual, I don't know. That's the point. With past romantic implications towards the opposite sex, though, it's basically a given that they're not gay. 

[Ryzaki]

Edit: not at the above

 

*sigh* an issue really? While I can see wanting further clarification it's not really an issue. The game isn't even coming out for 5+ months. If we knew all the LIs then I'd get your point. But this reveal seems like it was simply a tease to keep fervor up. Nothing more nothing less.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 avril 2014 - 01:31 .

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I think you're being a bit harsh.  Taking this line of logic, should they not announce any sort of alternate specialization?  If, say, they announced that Bard was a possible Rogue spec and nothing else, would you raise complaint that, because there was no announcement for the other classes, they should have just withheld this information?

To me, that's more like demanding all the LIs at once than everyone getting to know the same amount of information about a single LI. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The difference with Anders is that just because he only stated an attraction to women in DA:A doesn't mean he was never attracted to men. You know this argument well, so I'm surprised you used it.  Unless they are going to ignore the previous opposite gender attractions of Cassandra and Cullen and make them Lesbian and Gay instead, then it is much more of a given that they are available for M/F romance.

 

The announcement happened and can't be taken back. If they had never announced anything, then this issue wouldn't exist.

So Anders saying he wants a pretty girl doesn't make him automatically straight, but Cullen having a little crush on the female mage Warden or Cassandra giving a chaste kiss on the cheek means exactly that? Granted, Cullen I can kind of see your point since he has shown attraction rather than simply expressed it, but Cassandra does no such thing since a chaste kiss on the cheek =/= attracted to the gender of the person receiving it.

[sandalisthemaker]

I'm having a hard time determining exactly what benefits a confirmation like this would give you.

 

Really?

 

Knowledge.

 

It would let me know one way or the other if I can romance specifically Cullen as a guy or Cassandra as a girl.  Right now it's pretty safe to say they can be romanced by opposite gender, but not same gender.

[Battlebloodmage]

The difference with Anders is that just because he only stated an attraction to women in DA:A doesn't mean he was never attracted to men. You know this argument well, so I'm surprised you used it.  Unless they are going to ignore the previous opposite gender attractions of Cassandra and Cullen and make them Lesbian and Gay instead, then it is much more of a given that they are available for M/F romance.

 

The announcement happened and can't be taken back. If they had never announced anything, then this issue wouldn't exist.

The same thing can be said about Cullen, just because he attracted to the female warden only doesn't mean he's not attracted to men. What's your point? I bring that up simply you're just assuming that Cullen is straight. All they announce is Cullen a LI, and you just assume that he and Cassandra are straight which may or may not be the case. It's basically selfishness to say they should withhold information other fans may like simply because it provides inconvenience to you.

[Allan Schumacher]

Really?

Knowledge.
 
It would let me know one way or the other if I can romance specifically Cullen as a guy or Cassandra as a girl.  Right now it's pretty safe to say they can be romanced by opposite gender, but not same gender.

 

Fans always want more knowledge, about anything.  How can I disassociate this request from any other request for information?  Or is it not any different?

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I'm having a hard time determining exactly what benefits a confirmation like this would give you.

It can be pretty much assumed that the LIs announced will be available to hetero pairings, since their history implies they were attracted to the opposite sex in the past. There's no clarification at all whether or not they have any interest in same sex pairings. Thus, people intending to romance on hetero paths actually know two available LIs and people intending to romance on a same sex path still basically know nothing. 

[Lenimph]

w

 

I said before that I'm sure they didn't think about it. I understand that and I'm not going to hold some longstanding grudge about it. I'm not saying Bioware set out at PAX to insult the LGB fans. I'm sure it was an innocent mistake. I just think it's more fair to clear it up now that it's been pointed out. And, yes, I think it's more fair to wait until everyone can get the same information at the same time. That's not being unfair. That's being completely and totally equal. Demanding your information FIRST is unfair. Saying, "we should all wait together", is fair. 

 

I'm not assuming they're straight. They might be bisexual, I don't know. That's the point. With past romantic implications towards the opposite sex, though, it's basically a given that they're not gay. 

 

Oh you did not just say that in the BSN. 

 

*le sigh* It never ends... 

[EmissaryofLies]

Getting a real Oliver Twist vibe from the lack of information