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Fans always want more knowledge, about anything. How can I disassociate this request from any other request for information?
It's just that some people have confirmation while others do not. Like I said, if they announced Viv and Solas as LI's, then no one would know who could romance them.
It can be pretty much assumed that the LIs announced will be available to hetero pairings, since their history implies they were attracted to the opposite sex in the past. There's no clarification at all whether or not they have any interest in same sex pairings. Thus, people intending to romance on hetero paths actually know two available LIs and people intending to romance on a same sex path still basically know nothing.
Okay, you seem to be going down a different path than sandal.
So the issue is that the information provided is satisfying to other people, but provides no real satisfaction for yourself?
To me, that's more like demanding all the LIs at once than everyone getting to know the same amount of information about a single LI.
Alright. Let's take it and modify it to getting the same information about it.
If, say, they announced that Bard was a possible Rogue spec, am I justified in raising a complaint that they did not list the specific abilities of the Bard, how it is accessed in the first place and what level I can first spec into it?
And frankly, right now, we all have the same information; Cass & Cullen are now LI's. For all I know, they're dwarf-sexual.
Okay, you seem to be going down a different path than sandal.
So the issue is that the information provided is satisfying to other people, but provides no real satisfaction for yourself?
LOL that's what I'm saying too.
*Flails*
It's just that some people have confirmation while others do not. Like I said, if they announced Viv and Solas as LI's, then no one would know who could romance them.
I'm not trying to be difficult, but I'm not sure why this is bothering you. My perspective cannot be one of a fan, because I know much much more than fans, so I'm literally struggling to understand.
Maybe you're not going down a different path than Mort after all, so I kind of touched on it with their response, but is it that you're disappointed that you feel that others benefit more from this piece of information than other people (including yourself)?
I said before that I'm sure they didn't think about it. I understand that and I'm not going to hold some longstanding grudge about it. I'm not saying Bioware set out at PAX to insult the LGB fans. I'm sure it was an innocent mistake. I just think it's more fair to clear it up now that it's been pointed out. And, yes, I think it's more fair to wait until everyone can get the same information at the same time. That's not being unfair. That's being completely and totally equal. Demanding your information FIRST is unfair. Saying, "we should all wait together", is fair.
I'm not assuming they're straight. They might be bisexual, I don't know. That's the point. With past romantic implications towards the opposite sex, though, it's basically a given that they're not gay.
Fairness for whose? Releasing LI information and releasing sexual orientation are 2 different issues. We know Gaider's stand on the issue, so we would have equal options more or less regardless. I don't see why it's fair for someone like me who want to know about Cullen has to wait until the romance system is being fully released simply because it may upset others. The two things are similar but not related. Sexual orientations and who the LIs are 2 different subjects.
Okay, you seem to be going down a different path than sandal.
So the issue is that the information provided is satisfying to other people, but provides no real satisfaction for yourself?
Well, it's that it's not really EQUAL information. Even if it was announced that Cullen and Cassandra WEREN'T available to the same sex, we'd at least know the same amount of information about the characters. I mean, it would be kind of disappointing. It would be NICE if you guys picked a set of bisexual characters first. At least we'd all have clarification, though. As is, we have a situation where part of the audience had a question answered and another part is still left guessing.
To respond to an earlier post, I would see it the same as them announcing a rogue specialization but then finding out it's only available to qunari rogues. To me, that doesn't seem to make any sense.
I like the cut of your jib.
That's totally fine, they have done unique specs before and I'm down with it.
I'm not trying to be difficult, but I'm not sure why this is bothering you. My perspective cannot be one of a fan, because I know much much more than fans, so I'm literally struggling to understand.
Maybe you're not going down a different path than Mort after all, so I kind of touched on it with their response, but is it that you're disappointed that you feel that others benefit more from this piece of information than other people (including yourself)?
Pretty much yes.
While Cullen and Cassandra can be (quite safely) assumed to be available for M/F romance due to previous attractions in DAO and DotS, it pretty much confirms that some players can romance them the way they want to, but players that want to romance them with same gender protags, myself included, don't have that knowledge.
Pretty much yes.
While Cullen and Cassandra can be (quite safely) assumed to be available for M/F romance due to previous attractions in DAO and DotS, it pretty much confirms that some players can romance them the way they want to, but players that want to romance them with same gender protags, myself included, don't have that knowledge.
Again, I take the fact they didn't specify which genders can romance them means that is not a limitation.
Well, it's that it's not really EQUAL information. Even if it was announced that Cullen and Cassandra WEREN'T available to the same sex, we'd at least know the same amount of information about the characters. I mean, it would be kind of disappointing. It would be NICE if you guys picked a set of bisexual characters first. At least we'd all have clarification, though. As is, we have a situation where part of the audience had a question answered and another part is still left guessing.
Just so I'm clear, you'd be more satisfied if it was confirmed that Cassandra and Cullen were exclusively heterosexual (this is NOT a confirmation of that)? It certainly doesn't really strike me as "equal" information though? I think that there'd certainly be some very upset people if that information was revealed....
Again, I take the fact they didn't specify which genders can romance them means that is not a limitation.
I am willing to assume my personal worst case scenario but not willing to assume my personal best case scenario as to avoid being disappointed.
If they're going to tell us who all the LI's are before the game launches (which I hope they don't), I'm going to hope they don't tell us what all their sexualities are. Part of the fun of romancing companions is trying to find out whose available.
Just so I'm clear, you'd be more satisfied if it was confirmed that Cassandra and Cullen were exclusively heterosexual (this is NOT a confirmation of that)? It certainly doesn't really strike me as "equal" information though? I think that there'd certainly be some very upset people if that information was revealed....
At least I would know and it would be over with and I could move on to speculate about the other possibilities. I can't do that right now though.
Just so I'm clear, you'd be more satisfied if it was confirmed that Cassandra and Cullen were exclusively heterosexual (this is NOT a confirmation of that)? It certainly doesn't really strike me as "equal" information though? I think that there'd certainly be some very upset people if that information was revealed....
But at least we'd know one way or another. Right now it's all up in the air. So even though some people might know that, yes, they will be able to romance Cullen and Cass with their preferred gender, other people do not. If it was announced that they were both hetero romances, then we'd know that they won't be romanceable by people who want s/s pairings. It's the ambiguity that's the problem, an ambiguity that is not there for people who want to romance them as an opposite-gendered inquisitor.
So Anders saying he wants a pretty girl doesn't make him automatically straight, but Cullen having a little crush on the female mage Warden or Cassandra giving a chaste kiss on the cheek means exactly that? Granted, Cullen I can kind of see your point since he has shown attraction rather than simply expressed it, but Cassandra does no such thing since a chaste kiss on the cheek =/= attracted to the gender of the person receiving it.
To be fair, the thing with Cullen in DAO goes give a strong impression
Thus I said I can see the concern with Cullen. 
At least I would know and it would be over with and I could move on to speculate about the other possibilities. I can't do that right now though.
So your concern is about wasting your time hoping to romance a particular character that ultimately cannot be romanced by you?
Just so I'm clear, you'd be more satisfied if it was confirmed that Cassandra and Cullen were exclusively heterosexual (this is NOT a confirmation of that)? It certainly doesn't really strike me as "equal" information though? I think that there'd certainly be some very upset people if that information was revealed....
I think its more a long the lines that if they were heterosexual and that wouldn't change with time, it would be seen as unfair to think they could possibly romance the characters only to find out they weren't available to both genders. As of now, it's not confirmed if Cassandra and Cullen can be romanced by the same sex while heterosexual romance is pretty confirmed because of their previous comments...though I also see your point in that in that position, it would also feel that a gay companion would also need to be revealed in that situation.
To be fair, the thing with Cullen in DAO goes give a strong impression
And actually, if Cullen was bisexual, wouldn't he also have had a crush on the male mage Warden? But he doesn't. So yea....
But at least we'd know one way or another. Right now it's all up in the air. So even though some people might know that, yes, they will be able to romance Cullen and Cass with their preferred gender, other people do not. If it was announced that they were both hetero romances, then we'd know that they won't be romanceable by people who want s/s pairings. It's the ambiguity that's the problem, an ambiguity that is not there for people who want to romance them as an opposite-gendered inquisitor.
Yes. This. Thank you.
So your concern is about wasting your time hoping to romance a particular character that ultimately cannot be romanced by you?
LOOOOL
I would just like to know if I (and others who like to play gay protags) can romance Cullen and Cassandra the same way that people who like to play straight protags know that they can romance them.
And if I can't then so be it. But at least I would know.
Just so I'm clear, you'd be more satisfied if it was confirmed that Cassandra and Cullen were exclusively heterosexual (this is NOT a confirmation of that)? It certainly doesn't really strike me as "equal" information though? I think that there'd certainly be some very upset people if that information was revealed....
Well, I don't want them to be. lol I mean, it would be a slight let down and I wish whoever is in charge of the announcements would pick a bisexual pair first, so the initial excitement of romances could be spread around equally. I wouldn't be angry about it, though. In the end, it doesn't make much difference. Somebody would have to deal with an announcement where they weren't represented at some point. I'd feel it was more fair to be told if they were available NOW, when heterosexual people can be basically assured they're available to them.
If they're going to be heterosexual, though, I think less people would be angry knowing now. It gives people less time to get attached to the idea that they'll be available. They'll be angry at some point, either way.
Just so I'm clear, you'd be more satisfied if it was confirmed that Cassandra and Cullen were exclusively heterosexual (this is NOT a confirmation of that)? It certainly doesn't really strike me as "equal" information though? I think that there'd certainly be some very upset people if that information was revealed....
I personally think the people who would get upset over the fact that a fictional character is not 100% straight in someone else's play through can cry all they want, and that them getting upset shouldnt be a factor as to why Queer gamers can't find out whether they're romancible in a non-heterosexual playthrough.
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