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And actually, if Cullen was bisexual, wouldn't he also have had a crush on the male mage Warden? But he doesn't. So yea....
Maybe the canon male warden has a face that even his mother couldn't love. 
As far as bisexual people, they react differently when it comes to the gender. I had this discussion before with other bisexual guys who feel men to be a lot easier to talk to and hang out with but would be more nervous or approach differently when talking to girls.
I think its more a long the lines that if they were heterosexual and that wouldn't change with time, it would be seen as unfair to think they could possibly romance the characters only to find out they weren't available to both genders. As of now, it's not confirmed if Cassandra and Cullen can be romanced by the same sex while heterosexual romance is pretty confirmed because of their previous comments...though I also see your point in that in that position, it would also feel that a gay companion would also need to be revealed in that situation.
This is very much how I'm seeing it. I feel as though the only way we could be fair in this regard, is if we specifically announced that they were bisexual and available for all (though those that would prefer more defined sexualities would be upset). I'm not really convinced that announcing it would make the situation better.... At best it'd make some people content, but anger other people.
Lets turn this around: can people think of what benefits would come by not sharing this information yet? (Disclaimer: I don't know why the information wasn't shared. All I know is that it wasn't)
Question, wouldn't it be better if we didn't know their attraction of a particular sex? It leaves more for the experience of the game, especially the first playthrough, unless you like to spoil certain aspects of a game, which makes it more enjoyable for YOU... then that is fine, but personally - I don't really see this as being needed, but it wouldn't hurt.
They could make a simple picture with all the romances and underneath each character - it shows their specific preferences, but hey -
Twerking Miley or preorder cancelled.
And actually, if Cullen was bisexual, wouldn't he also have had a crush on the male mage Warden? But he doesn't. So yea....
Generally try not to go too deep into this, but when Cullen was written in DA:O where he was just seen as another npc like Teagan, it was obviously written in a way where he was attracted to an (considered) attractive female mage pc, but not a male mage pc. At this point, I suppose you could say he was written with a heterosexual inclination at the time. However, that doesn't actually discount that he could have simply found the male pc not attractive, but the female pc attractive.
To go outside the in-game info and not even acknowledge real life scenarios, its a game. Things change. Character writing in the future changes. Writers will go with whatever they want to do with the character, and it only matters in how the writers think the character can best accomodate the players and the setting.
One thing that I'm really really hoping they do:
If Cullen is bisexual, I hope that they write in a line where he states in an off-hand comment about not finding any of the male mages in Ferelden's circle to have been attractive (too stuffy, lack of style, or some such nonsense). It appears that without explicit statements declaring his sexuality and explaining away his lack of attraction to a male Amell/Surana, I fear that we are all going to have to suffer through many more months of discussions about how bisexuals don't always find males and female equally attractive at the same moment and baseless accusations against Bioware about changing character sexuality.
And actually, if Cullen was bisexual, wouldn't he also have had a crush on the male mage Warden? But he doesn't. So yea....
see: kaidan
This is very much how I'm seeing it. I feel as though the only way we could be fair in this regard, is if we specifically announced that they were bisexual and available for all (though those that would prefer more defined sexualities would be upset). I'm not really convinced that announcing it would make the situation better.... At best it'd make some people content, but anger other people.
Lets turn this around: can people think of what benefits would come by not sharing this information yet? (Disclaimer: I don't know why the information wasn't shared. All I know is that it wasn't)
Probably to avoid any possible bad press from homophobes. Really my only guess. THough I thought one of the devs made it clear that their intentions where to make all the LI's playersexual like in DA2 but I guess it could have changed? I doubt it though.
Lets turn this around: can people think of what benefits would come by not sharing this information yet? (Disclaimer: I don't know why the information wasn't shared. All I know is that it wasn't)
People who don't want to know have less worry about being spoiled about that kind of stuff? 
see: kaidan
Yeah ... Kaidan was a full blown lesbophobe before he came out of his closet.
He couldn't even say the word lesbian. That's how deep in that closet he was.
Probably to avoid any possible bad press from homophobes. Really my only guess. THough I thought one of the devs made it clear that their intentions where to make all the LI's playersexual like in DA2 but I guess it could have changed? I doubt it though.
Jumping straight to hostility?
Frankly, I don't even think it crossed their minds. It was probably "Hey, we get to reveal something cool for the players!".
See: Previous Bard based specialization arguments.
One thing that I'm really really hoping they do:
If Cullen is bisexual, I hope that they write in a line where he states in an off-hand comment about not finding any of the male mages in Ferelden's circle to have been attractive (too stuffy, lack of style, or some such nonsense). It appears that without explicit statements declaring his sexuality and explaining away his lack of attraction to a male Amell/Surana, I fear that we are all going to have to suffer through many more months of discussions about how bisexuals don't always find males and female equally attractive at the same moment and baseless accusations against Bioware about changing character sexuality.
That could work, and I see why you're saying it, but I'm not really a fan of writing and for the most part jokes based on breaking the fourth wall or because of discussion on forums.
Lets turn this around: can people think of what benefits would come by not sharing this information yet? (Disclaimer: I don't know why the information wasn't shared. All I know is that it wasn't)
Well, to be fair, there are some benefits:
1.) It certainly keeps the discussion going in a pretty excitable manner. That's both good and bad for the forum, but overall pretty good for the game in general since we are all talking about non-stop.
2.) It could be because there is something new about the romance interactions that we haven't been made aware of yet and releasing their sexualities might put more information out than you are willing to at this point.
3.) Our tears will continue to sustain devs.
4.) It allowed them to take a breadth versus depth approach to the panel and spend less time talking about romances in detail and more time giving teases about other features.
So, yeah, I guess there's some good here too.
Jumping straight to hostility?
Frankly, I don't even think it crossed their minds. It was probably "Hey, we get to reveal something cool for the players!".
See: Previous Bard based specialization arguments.
I like to think its just being cautious from hostility over completely ignoring and not thinking about the queer fanbase? Though keep in mind I myself are pretty sure Cullen and Cassandra are not going to be straight given the developer's past attitudes and responses.
Jumping straight to hostility?
Frankly, I don't even think it crossed their minds. It was probably "Hey, we get to reveal something cool for the players!".
See: Previous Bard based specialization arguments.
The fact they they most likely didn't realize or weren't thinking about the fact that some players wouldn't get the benefit from that reveal is part of the problem.
Yeah ... Kaidan was a full blown lesbophobe before he came out of his closet.
He couldn't even say the word lesbian. That's how deep in that closet he was.
He's so deep in the closet that he reached Narnia. Everyone could see his deeply he "cares" for maleshep.
People don't always announce their sexuality, and they may be more cautious when approach the same-gender since they don't know the other person's sexuality. Opposite sex is more common, I guess it's a lot easier for relationship to happen.
But the issue is that they revealed it as a rogue specialization, with no constraints indicated.I like the cut of your jib.
That's totally fine, they have done unique specs before and I'm down with it.
If that was what they really wanted, they wouldn't have said anything about romances at all, beyond that they're in the game.Question, wouldn't it be better if we didn't know their attraction of a particular sex?
Expanding hopes and dreams that you're later able to crush? I'm coming up empty here.Lets turn this around: can people think of what benefits would come by not sharing this information yet? (Disclaimer: I don't know why the information wasn't shared. All I know is that it wasn't)
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I would just like to know if I (and others who like to play gay protags) can romance Cullen and Cassandra the same way that people who like to play straight protags know that they can romance them.
And if I can't then so be it. But at least I would know.
I appreciate your laughing at my attempts to try to understand and empathize with your position....
Lets look at it in a vacuum then. Before today, you at best knew there'd be romances. Today, you now know for certain two characters that can be romanced, that you did not know before.
Or worst case, assume the worst so you'll either be correct, or you'll be pleasantly surprised. I'm not really interested in engaging along this discussion anymore so I'll just ask that people keep it civil.
That could work, and I see why you're saying it, but I'm not really a fan of writing and for the most part jokes based on breaking the fourth wall or because of discussion on forums.
Yeah, I guess I wasn't clear about it. I didn't really mean in a joking way for us. More like, in a joking conversation with the Inquisitor. I mean, a line like, "You are really unlike any other Ferelden man that I've met. I normally find them so stuffy/boring/unstylish/dog-scented, but you are another story."
It would get the message across that he wasn't not into the male Amell/Surana because they were males, but because he just isn't attracted to most Ferelden men.
I mean, I'm not a writer so this is pretty weak, but I hope I'm getting my point across. Just something less vague for Cullen since he's only been announced as an LI for a few hours and already people are calling his sexuality into question.
The fact they they most likely didn't realize or weren't thinking about the fact that some players wouldn't get the benefit from that reveal is part of the problem.
Not sure why they care though.
Well, to be fair, there are some benefits:
1.) It certainly keeps the discussion going in a pretty excitable manner. That's both good and bad for the forum, but overall pretty good for the game in general since we are all talking about non-stop.
2.) It could be because there is something new about the romance interactions that we haven't been made aware of yet and releasing their sexualities might put more information out than you are willing to at this point.
3.) Our tears will continue to sustain devs.
4.) It allowed them to take a breadth versus depth approach to the panel and spend less time talking about romances in detail and more time giving teases about other features.
So, yeah, I guess there's some good here too.
In regards to your number 2, what in the world could be new about the romances that would be compromised if you reveal the sexualities of the characters.
Expanding hopes and dreams that you're later able to crush? I'm coming up empty here.
Yep this.
While others know they can romance them as M/F and are content right now.
He's so deep in the closet that he reached Narnia. Everyone could see his deeply he "cares" for maleshep.
People don't always announce their sexuality, and they may be more cautious when approach the same-gender since they don't know the other person's sexuality. Opposite sex is more common, I guess it's a lot easier for relationship to happen.
I always find Kaidan to be an interesting case because, to me at least, he was practically screaming sexual tension with male Shepard in both ME and ME 2. It actually really reminded me of experiences that I've had with guys who are coming to terms with their sexuality and their attraction to someone (me, a friend, etc.) made them really uncomfortable. They were flirty, but nothing overt. There was tension, but nothing specific to point to. And then, BAM, they were ready. Kind of like Kaidan's whole story arc.
I know that this wasn't really how it was intended (nor, I guess, the point of the thread), but perhaps it will be something like that with Cullen as well, if he were to end up being bisexual.
I like to think its just being cautious from hostility over completely ignoring and not thinking about the queer fanbase? Though keep in mind I myself are pretty sure Cullen and Cassandra are not going to be straight given the developer's past attitudes and responses.
You might have a point if they said that they were going to announce heterosexual LI's and completely ignored the homosexual fanbase; instead they just said "Hey, these two characters are also optional love interests!"
The fact they they most likely didn't realize or weren't thinking about the fact that some players wouldn't get the benefit from that reveal is part of the problem.
I think that's a major overreaction.
But the issue is that they revealed it as a rogue specialization, with no constraints indicated.
You asked if it would be preferred that they say nothing instead, and I think if they were unwilling to clarify that it was a qunari rogue specialization (something you would only find out much later), then yes, they should have just kept it to themselves until they were willing to tell people what it actually was.
I'm not sure there's a clear answer in this case, however. Part of me is really uncomfortable with the idea that it even matters (as long as there's equity, then everybody is just as likely to be disappointed as everybody else, and that's only if we assume everyone will restrict themselves to playing their real-life gender), but at the same time, I'm not sure the revelation is all that meaningful. "Somebody will be able to romance these people" doesn't feel the same to me as "you can romance these people", so again, it doesn't make much sense to me. (And I'm not sure comparisons to past releases where there are no or only one gay romance are applicable—of course they never said anything back then, because there was never anything to say.)
Did you look at the modified query? It's more to do than the original, since someone pointed out that the original was, quite rightfully, flawed. They didn't say how to get the Bard spec, what level I could go into it, how much of an impact of a story it had, if it had any restrictions - so, should they not even say they have it in the game if they aren't going to give me all the details? I think that's asking for far too much.
If that's what you think, I think we're just going to disagree. I don't need to know every little detail about something, I'm happy with the knowledge that it is available.
I don't know how to respond to this; the entire LI thing isn't a major selling point of the game for me, it's a nice additional tidbit.
In regards to your number 2, what in the world could be new about the romances that would be compromised if you reveal the sexualities of the characters.
I don't know, really. I was just spit-balling in an attempt to change the conversation tone since Allan seemed a bit uncomfortable with it. Throwing a bunch of things at the wall and hoping that something stuck so it would generate a different discussion, I guess.
I appreciate your laughing at my attempts to try to understand and empathize with your position....
Lets look at it in a vacuum then. Before today, you at best knew there'd be romances. Today, you now know for certain two characters that can be romanced, that you did not know before.
Or worst case, assume the worst so you'll either be correct, or you'll be pleasantly surprised. I'm not really interested in engaging along this discussion anymore so I'll just ask that people keep it civil.
I'm laughing because I am flailing about trying to get you to understand me but I'm failing. No offense was meant.
Before today I knew there were romances but not who was available.
Now I know that Cullen and Cassandra are available to romance, and since they have shown opposite gender attractions in previous games I know that they can be romanced by opposite gender protags. If that is the way I personally wanted to romance them, then there wouldn't be an issue for me personally.
The fact that I don't know if I can romance them the way I would like to while others know that they can romance them the way that they want to is the reason why I started this thread.
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