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[daveliam]

So I change my avi to Cullen and the next day they announce him as an LI.  I'm taking credit!

 

You're all welcome!

[Hellion Rex]

So I change my avi to Cullen and the next day they announce him as an LI. I'm taking credit!

You're all welcome!

Perhaps I ought to change my avi to the Grey Warden...

[Battlebloodmage]

Perhaps I ought to change my avi to the Grey Warden...

I should change my avatar to Ryan Gosling.

[HiroVoid]

Perhaps I ought to change my avi to the Grey Warden...

Too bad his spot's been stolen by Cullen now......and by that, I mean someone should totally start a Cullen vs Bearded grey warden thread for the last remaining warrior slot in DA:I.

[Lucy Glitter]

Oh, god... first sign of an LI announcement and I broke my promise of not looking at anything Inquistion-related. 

 

[Hellion Rex]

Too bad his spot's been stolen by Cullen now......and by that, I mean someone should totally start a Cullen vs Bearded grey warden thread for the last remaining warrior slot in DA:I.

From what I have seen of the GW in the gameplay demo, I'm thinking Cullen's an NPC romance, with GW being our last warrior.

[berelinde]

Yes, but they made a point of announcing 2 LI's. This is a new tidbit of news for romance fans to get excited about. But since the two announced LI's have had previous noted attractions, it leads to Cullen and Cassandra fans who are interested in M/F romance to have confirmation, but the fans who are interested in M/M and F/F don't have that confirmation and are left up in the air.

Cullen has expressed M/F attraction (a single instance, which could mean anything or nothing), but Cassandra has not. In DotS, she bestowed a kiss on the cheek of a male, but I've kissed my brother on the cheek lots of times, and it doesn't mean I'm attracted to him. Varric asked her if she was developing an infatuation with the male Warden, but that was Varric's assumption, not hers. I'd say that we don't know enough about her orientation to pass judgment. I think I might prefer to romance her with a lady Inquisitor, in fact.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Did you look at the modified query?  It's more to do than the original, since someone pointed out that the original was, quite rightfully, flawed.  They didn't say how to get the Bard spec, what level I could go into it, how much of an impact of a story it had, if it had any restrictions - so, should they not even say they have it in the game if they aren't going to give me all the details?  I think that's asking for far too much.

 

If that's what you think, I think we're just going to disagree.  I don't need to know every little detail about something, I'm happy with the knowledge that it is available.

 

I don't know how to respond to this; the entire LI thing isn't a major selling point of the game for me, it's a nice additional tidbit.

Sorry I didn't get back to you with this before, I missed your reply quote, so I'll just pick it up with this one.

 

The problem I have with this is that there's not really an alternative to this specific feature for comparison, in my mind. The reveal gave information that people wanting a heterosexual romance could count on being targeted at them, while leaving those wanting a same sex relationship guessing. It's not really MORE information. It's the same information. Who gets to romance these companions? Heterosexuals know it's them, everyone else doesn't. I think it's being a little intellectually dishonest to think Bioware would announce gay LIs for their first wave and that those LIs would have their character history retconned in order to MAKE them gay, so for all sane logic, we can be sure that these LIs can be available to people planning hetero play-throughs. They may be bisexual, but we don't know that. We can very strongly assume they will be available to heterosexuals.

 

And yeah, this is kind of a personal thing, because being gay usually means you are going to be prioritized last. That's just something you have to learn to accept as a LGBT person, if you don't want to go insane. I do think Bioware makes an effort to not let this happen whenever they can. I really do have faith in them to avoid it whenever possible. I'm sure their intentions were totally benevolent, but I feel like bringing it to their attention that it made some LGB people frustrated might make them reconsider future marketing releases, which is why I'm explaining my concerns. It's not, "GRRRR BIOWER YOU HOMOPHOBES". It's, "I really appreciate that you hold an inclusive attitude generally and, because of this attitude, I sincerely hope that you'll consider my feelings on this issue and maybe make your LI announcements clear for people planning same sex play throughs, as well as hetero play throughs".

[Knight of Dane]

I don't think bioware announced the sexuality of the DA2 romance interests before the game was released, which made almost everyone assume Merrill was "the straight option" like Morrigan.

 

I remember there being a lot of discussion on whether or not Merrill would be available for female PC's.

 

I don't think they are announcing it this time either. We'll just get to know who can be romanced and not the specifics.

Let the boards go crazy!

[devSin]

Yep this.
 
While others know they can romance them as M/F and are content right now.

Just to note, my statement was not intended to be confrontational or to frame this as some sort of attack. It's just as likely that Cassandra is lesbian as she is bisexual or heterosexual. And Cullen had his own ambiguity when he was trapped in the bubble.

However, I don't personally see any legitimate benefit in withholding the information. To me, it's the same as announcing a specialization in general terms but then later revealing it has more specific constraints. All you've served to do is upset the people who were expecting it.

So now we have two confirmed romances and everybody who wants them is happy. If it comes out later that there are additional restrictions, the intervening happiness and the subsequent disappointment are both completely pointless and completely avoidable.

I'm not sure what the reasonable course is. I don't have quite the same reaction to it as you do, but I can also appreciate the desire to have the information.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Cullen has expressed M/F attraction (a single instance, which could mean anything or nothing), but Cassandra has not. In DotS, she bestowed a kiss on the cheek of a male, but I've kissed my brother on the cheek lots of times, and it doesn't mean I'm attracted to him. Varric asked her if she was developing an infatuation with the male Warden, but that was Varric's assumption, not hers. I'd say that we don't know enough about her orientation to pass judgment. I think I might prefer to romance her with a lady Inquisitor, in fact.

Exactly. Like I said, the kiss Cassandra bestows you can clearly tell is a chaste one and not a romantic one. Being the end of the movie, if they wanted to show Cassandra and Regalyan were a couple, they'd have them give a quick kiss on the lips, not the cheek. 

[Lenimph]

I don't think bioware announced the sexuality of the DA2 romance interests before the game was released, which made almost everyone assume Merrill was "the straight option" like Morrigan.

 

I remember there being a lot of discussion on whether or not Merrill would be available for female PC's.

 

I don't think they are announcing it this time either. We'll just get to know who can be romanced and not the specifics.

Let the boards go crazy!

They did annouce it... like a week before it was released. (But this was also the first time they we're making everyone not straight) Fun fact. People actually argued that Isabela was going to be only available for the male pc because she preferred men in DA:O or some nonsense...

 

I'm not making this up.  

[HiroVoid]

The only thing I remember pre-DAII marketing was camera angling making it look like Merrill and Fem!Hawke had giant boobs.

[Blackrising]

I see what you mean, OP.

 

While I'd be disappointed to hear that Cassandra is a male-only romance (I don't particularly care about Cullen), at least then I'd know. It might not be a big deal for other people, but it's a very important aspect of the game for me.

As it stands, all I know is that Cassandra will be romancable and while I am trying to keep my hopes down, the uncertainty will assure that some part of me WILL start to hope and WILL get attached to the idea (although I was attached even before the announcement, I admit) and if it then turns out I can't romance Cassandra? I'm gonna be crushed. My fragile emotions will wither away, I tell you.

So yeah, I can't really enjoy the announcement yet. Love to, but can't.

 

That said, I doubt they'll tell us anything before they're ready and I've made (reluctant) peace with that. I shall brace myself for disappointment.

[Spectre Impersonator]

This thread has failed. Why is sexuality so important?

[Knight of Dane]

They did annouce it... like a week before it was released. (But this was also the first time they we're making everyone not straight) Fun fact. People actually argued that Isabela was going to be only available for the male pc because she preferred men in DA:O or some nonsense...

 

I'm not making this up.  

I never discussed Isabela much, but it can't be many who thought that. She flirted with both Hawkes in the demo.

[Maria Caliban]

This thread has failed. Why is sexuality so important?

Sexuality is important because it propagates the species and helps establish social networks.

The other things humans tend to desire - food, clothing, shelter - are provided in abundance in the modern world. If getting a pleasing sexual and romantic partner were as easy as buying a hamburger or a new coat, we'd probably become indifferent to its inclusion in a game.

[Grieving Natashina]

After pages and pages of folks going "straight this" and "bisexual that,"  I'm left shaking my head.  Perhaps it's because I just watched DG's panel from GDC '13 about much of this very thing.  Not a single character states their sexual preference.  

 

While some refer to previous relationships with men and women (Zevran, Leliana and Isabela,) none of them at any point state, "I am X sexuality."  It flows and varies with different play throughs, but only through meta-gaming does it become any sort of issue.

 

Even in Origins, Morrigan never states that she is straight, nor Alistair being straight either.  They don't talk about attraction towards their gender, but that doesn't mean it didn't exist.   They were just what was available for the straight men and straight ladies.

 

Same with Cullen for that matter.  He could have found men attractive for all we know, but not at the Circle.  I don't care if he mentions that or not.

 

I have the opinion that there isn't going to be any "set" sexuality among the companions and that all LIs are going to be available to all genders.  This is a fantasy, so I'm immediately dismissing Realism™ as a reason why a companion's sexuality couldn't change.  

 

Folks stay in the closet all the time and only come out til later.  I've watched that happen a few times in my life, including a friend of mine that realized she was pansexual at the age of 40.  

 

I know it isn't popular, but I like player-sexuality and having my choices fully available to me.  Then again, I never have really given two flying sods about what's popular or not.

 

My two cents on this rather hot topic.  I might come back later.

[Spectre Impersonator]

It's part of our personalities, I guess? Why is anything about people's identities important?

 

Tell a gay person who just came out that it isn't important. That might be one of most liberating moments in their life. So it's important to them. It isn't a mundane thing, like their favorite cereal brand or something.

This isn't real life. These are fictional characters who may or may not be gay, straight, bi or asexual. Why does it matter so much?

[Blackrising]

This isn't real life. These are fictional characters who may or may not be gay, straight, bi or asexual. Why does it matter so much?

 

In the context of this thread? It simply matters because it determines whether some of us, who may not want to do straight romances at all, will be able to romance Cullen and/or Cassandra. No more to it than that. (In this case, anyway.) *shrug*

[sandalisthemaker]

This isn't real life. These are fictional characters who may or may not be gay, straight, bi or asexual. Why does it matter so much?

 

You will never understand.

 

You are right about one thing though. This thread has failed.

[GVulture]

After pages and pages of folks going "straight this" and "bisexual that,"  I'm left shaking my head.  Perhaps it's because I just watched DG's panel from GDC '13 about much of this very thing.  Not a single character states their sexual preference.  

 

While some refer to previous relationships with men and women (Zevran, Leliana and Isabela,) none of them at any point state, "I am X sexuality."  It flows and varies with different play throughs, but only through meta-gaming does it become any sort of issue.

 

Even in Origins, Morrigan never states that she is straight, nor Alistair being straight either.  They don't talk about attraction towards their gender, but that doesn't mean it didn't exist.   They were just what was available for the straight men and straight ladies.

 

Same with Cullen for that matter.  He could have found men attractive for all we know, but not at the Circle.  I don't care if he mentions that or not.

 

I have the opinion that there isn't going to be any "set" sexuality among the companions and that all LIs are going to be available to all genders.  This is a fantasy, so I'm immediately dismissing Realism™ as a reason why a companion's sexuality couldn't change.  

 

Folks stay in the closet all the time and only come out til later.  I've watched that happen a few times in my life, including a friend of mine that realized she was pansexual at the age of 40.  

 

I know it isn't popular, but I like player-sexuality and having my choices fully available to me.  Then again, I never have really given two flying sods about what's popular or not.

 

My two cents on this rather hot topic.  I might come back later.

For reals, I was actually under the impression that Cullen only found a female Surana attractive. I didn't know the Amell crush was present until about a year ago.

Imagine this, my people, what if all the characters are playersexual, but ONLY if they're a certain race? IMAGINE the rioting.

[Maria Caliban]

This isn't real life. These are fictional characters who may or may not be gay, straight, bi or asexual. Why does it matter so much?

No, it's not real life. It's a work of fiction in which you vicariously experience things like being a great warrior, a charismatic leader, and a hero who saves others and earns their place in history. These are things people desire and they're assumed to be in the game. If BioWare didn't provide them, their games would be far less popular.

Sex and romance are also things people seek out in works of fiction. The idea that the hero is desirable is one you'll find in many books, films, and TV shows.