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[Blackrising]

Fair enough. If it irks you, I'll respect that. I know there's plenty of hetero people who won't watch stories with homosexuality either. I happen to like books/tv/film more than games myself. I like the other characters being out of my control.

Eh, it's not really the fact that the romances are straight that irks me (at least not exclusively). What irks me is that they are all the same and get thrown around without a thought. 'Ah yes, this book needs romance because...uh...well, because!'
There are plenty of male-female dynamics I like, but those always end up being unusual and therefore almost exclusively non-canon. What annoys me is that so many of those romances do not make a lick of sense and simply take screentime from other relationships that might be a lot more interesting. I just want less of this:
Male: "I shall now commence being a dick to you, because apparently that somehow means I am very attracted to you!"
Female: "Oh my. For some reason, I find your dick-ish macho behaviour insanely erotic and can't help but give in, even though this would usually be utterly out of character!"

And more of this:
Male: "I like you. You're cool."
Female: "Kay, let's hang out."

I may still not like it, but it won't keep me from enjoying the show/book. What we need is more platonic love and less cliched romance. More unusual romance (no matter if gay or straight). More stories that have no need for romance at all.

[Mes]

Um well personally I'd like to know which gender can romance Cullen or Cassandra so I can decide which gender my Inquisitor will be.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

At least seemed to be leading up to it.

...Which might have been one of the reasons I turned it off and haven't looked back since. Apart from the awful anime style.

[Walrider]

I don't think it's "impolite" at all to expect to be as included in their announcements as the rest of the audience. If they weren't ready to tell us about the gender/romance system is, then they should have just held off announcing LIs until they were ready, so everyone could hear about them at the same time. 

There is so much entitlement in this, I can't even.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Maybe I'm too tired, but what does this even mean?

I think he means Internet Service Providers aka ISPs.

[HiroVoid]

Maybe I'm too tired, but what does this even mean?

It's a long version of saying people should grow thicker skin.

[oceanicsurvivor]

It seems like this announcement leaves two paths:

 

1) there are 4 bisexual LI's same as 2

2) There are 6 LI's and they are implementing the 2/2/2 idea, with Cullen and Cassandra (maybe) being the straight only ones. (But really the argument that based on past interactions they couldn't possibly be bi is weak/non-existent.)

 

Either way, revealing more then the fact that they ARE love interests for (at least) some Inquisitors could tilt Bioware's hand on a reveal like this?

 

Sure it'd be nice to have more confirmation, I totally get where people are coming from, but there could be more to it, possibly? And either way, it will get revealed in good time. (hopefully not too long though, I'm certainly curious haha)

 

It's weird how quickly Cullen seems to have gone from zero to sixty though. He's the most recent companion to be confirmed AND he's an LI...all in like a week. ... Poor Iron Bull fans

[Nightdragon8]

you know.. there is a thing call "surprise" that people seem to be forgetting about. I mean whats the point in buying a game if you already know the story and how it ends. The same can be said about the romances.

 

Why should they need to give information about a character's gender preference? Why not let it be a surprise to the player who tries to flirt with said character to find out the reaction? Wouldn't that be better than to give out all the information over the internet?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

you know.. there is a thing call "surprise" that people seem to be forgetting about. I mean whats the point in buying a game if you already know the story and how it ends. The same can be said about the romances.

 

Why should they need to give information about a character's gender preference? Why not let it be a surprise to the player who tries to flirt with said character to find out the reaction? Wouldn't that be better than to give out all the information over the internet?

Actually I personally don't mind spoilers and more often than not said spoilers make me even more excited about the game so I can see why they may want to know.

[Mes]

Actually I personally don't mind spoilers and more often than not said spoilers make me even more excited about the game so I can see why they may want to know.

 

Same. Anyway people who don't want to know anything about the game can just avoid checking up on it online.

[oceanicsurvivor]

you know.. there is a thing call "surprise" that people seem to be forgetting about. I mean whats the point in buying a game if you already know the story and how it ends. The same can be said about the romances.

 

 

I don't think that argument works too well when we are all hanging around a dedicated forum up to 7 months before the game releases .

[Banxey]

you know.. there is a thing call "surprise" that people seem to be forgetting about. I mean whats the point in buying a game if you already know the story and how it ends. The same can be said about the romances.

 

Why should they need to give information about a character's gender preference? Why not let it be a surprise to the player who tries to flirt with said character to find out the reaction? Wouldn't that be better than to give out all the information over the internet?

 

Waiting five months to hear "Surprise, this isn't for you!" when others already know it's for them isn't something to get excited about. Especially when most things are not made for you in the first place.

 

I don't believe Bioware did anything technically wrong and I don't think people are owed an answer. But regardless, it's pretty plain to me that it isn't fair. 

[In Exile]

Waiting five months to hear "Surprise, this isn't for you!" when others already know it's for them isn't something to get excited about. Especially when most things are not made for you in the first place.

 

I don't believe Bioware did anything technically wrong and I don't think people are owed an answer. But regardless, it's pretty plain to me that it isn't fair. 

 

Every time the gender preference issue came up in DA2, Bioware (and DG's) position was that people should have access to all LIs. That was a design choice they defended. While obviously that doesn't mean DA:I will be similar, I think it would be a pretty radical departure from them to do it. So while it's true that Bioware hasn't come out and said anything, I think excepting gender preferences to be fixed is a bit like expecting dual wielding warriors to come back: pretty unlikely. 

[Knight of Dane]

I don't actually think it's the romances themselves that upset Gaider, but the way people treat them as a given. And the outrage it often creates, no matter what they try.

 

He's included romance in all his Dragon Age books after all, it can't be that he doesn't like romance as such.

 

But I can understand getting tired of the fans excessive demands towards it. Usually a writer just wants to make good stuff and not have to please everyone.

[Will-o'-wisp]

Does this really need a thread? I want wo romance Iron Bull or the Grey Warden, but I have absolutely no idea if they will be LIs at all or not. Cullen and Cassandra are love interests but you have no idea if they are available to both genders or not. At least you know that you'll be able to romance the character you wanted and that's the important thing. You WILL be able to romance these two, the question is simply if you will be perfectly able to no matter what or have to play a certain gender (that doen't seem to be a huge problem for most people) or if you'll have to use a mod.

 

And even if they're going for 2/2/2 and those two happen to be of a sexuality that doesn't fit your expectations you still have 4 perfectly fine alternatives if it's really that big of a deal for yo to play with a different gender / sexuality.

 

Can't we just all be happy with the Information we got and not start arguments about how all this is unfair because one very specific group of people doesn't know for sure, that they can romance Cullen or Cas under every possible circumstance?

[Blackrising]

Does this really need a thread? I want wo romance Iron Bull or the Grey Warden, but I have absolutely no idea if they will be LIs at all or not. Cullen and Cassandra are love interests but you have no idea if they are available to both genders or not. At least you know that you'll be able to romance the character you wanted and that's the important thing. You WILL be able to romance these two, the question is simply if you will be perfectly able to no matter what or have to play a certain gender (that doen't seem to be a huge problem for most people) or if you'll have to use a mod.

 

And even if they're going for 2/2/2 and those two happen to be of a sexuality that doesn't fit your expectations you still have 4 perfectly fine alternatives if it's really that big of a deal for yo to play with a different gender / sexuality.

 

Can't we just all be happy with the Information we got and not start arguments about how all this is unfair because one very specific group of people doesn't know for sure, that they can romance Cullen or Cas under every possible circumstance?

 

No, I don't know if I can romance Cassandra, because I do not play males and I don't do straight romance if I can avoid it. It's as simple as that. I'm as much in the dark as I was before the announcement. Actually, scratch that. What I do know is that OTHER people with straight characters will be able to romance her.

And it IS a big deal to play with a different gender/sexuality, at least to some. If you're not bothered by it, then more power to you, but it is not the way I feel.

 

I'm not gonna badger Bioware about giving us every piece of info right now, and I don't expect them to come forth just because someone asks for it. I don't even view the lack of confirmation as a big deal or wither away because of the unfairness of it all, but I do understand the frustration people might feel.

 

That said, I have resigned myself to inevitable disappointment. The article posted previously pretty much confirmed for me that they won't go the DA2 route again, but go with fixed sexualities.

At least I see no other way to interpret this quote:

 

 

"I can easily imagine a time when the romances in Inquisition are revealed (whether that will be before or after release, I have no idea)," Gaider wrote. "There will be an inevitable reaction from people who are disappointed they couldn't romance someone with their character of choice, and some of them will rant at length as to how they were only deprived of said romance because of some agenda. (...)"

 

He pretty much said that there are gonna be restrictions, or so I understand. And I'd bet my entire video game collection that this includes gender restrictions.

 

...I feel sad now. I shall go and lie down in my crying corner.

[Zazzerka]

I'm as much in the dark as I was before the announcement.

 

Laidlaw mentioned "the girl getting the girl" immediately before the announcement regarding Cass and Cull. That's.. something?
 

[lyrabelacqua]

 

 

"I can easily imagine a time when the romances in Inquisition are revealed (whether that will be before or after release, I have no idea)," Gaider wrote. "There will be an inevitable reaction from people who are disappointed they couldn't romance someone with their character of choice, and some of them will rant at length as to how they were only deprived of said romance because of some agenda. (...)"

That's...incredibly depressing, and I really hope just badly worded.  Looks like it's back to being worried again 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

It doesn't necessarily mean all the LIs will have gender restrictions. It could also be the obvious fact that not all companions and suspected companions will be LIs and some people that wanted them to be during the speculation phase will be pissed about it.   

[lyrabelacqua]

It doesn't necessarily mean all the LIs will have gender restrictions. It could also be the obvious fact that not all companions and suspected companions will be LIs and some people that wanted them to be during the speculation phase will be pissed about it.   

That's what I thought at first as well, but it's Gaider's specific use of not being able to romance someone 'with their character of choice' that stands out...

[Will-o'-wisp]

No, I don't know if I can romance Cassandra, because I do not play males and I don't do straight romance if I can avoid it. It's as simple as that. I'm as much in the dark as I was before the announcement. Actually, scratch that. What I do know is that OTHER people with straight characters will be able to romance her.
And it IS a big deal to play with a different gender/sexuality, at least to some. If you're not bothered by it, then more power to you, but it is not the way I feel.
 
I'm not gonna badger Bioware about giving us every piece of info right now, and I don't expect them to come forth just because someone asks for it. I don't even view the lack of confirmation as a big deal or wither away because of the unfairness of it all, but I do understand the frustration people might feel.

Yes, People who don't have a Problem with playing straight male characters will be able to romance Cassandra. Now they know, that's good News! You don't know if you'll be able to romance Cassandra, I don't know if I will be able to romance Iron Bull, other people don't know if they'll be able to romance Varric. That's the way it is, no Unfairness that I could see.

Also, if you're as unflexibile in your roleplaying as you say you are (that's fine of course, no offense) you'll probably have to deal with not seeing several things that you will only see when taking a different approach. That's the nature of roleplaying games and that's the way I like these games to be. The devs said they would either represent every sexuality equally or choose playersexuality, so if we get 2/2/2 you still have plenty of options. If Cassandra is none of the bi or gay options that's sad for you, I can understand that, but in some way it's part of the roleplaying experience. Cassandra happens to be straight in this case and if that's the way the writers intended her to be, None of us has the right to complain imo.