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[daveliam]

Wow, yeah, that quote, if accurate and without contextual understanding, is pretty hard to read any way other than there being restrictions to the romances.  Now, we don't know for sure that gender is going to be one of those restrictions, but it might.  Perhaps it could be based on race, I suppose.

 

So if this does imply gender restrictions, this is both positive and negative:  the good side is that this most likely means that there will 6 LI's since Gaider has been pretty vocal about not going back to the DA: O approach if it means that some people will get less choices; the bad side is that this most likely means that there will be one male LI that a gay Inquisitor doesn't have access to (and the same for lesbian and straight Inquisitors too). 

 

I'm not going to sweat this yet, though, because I don't know the context of the quote NOR have seen any official confirmation.  It does make me think that my initial assumptions about 4 bisexual LI's might be wrong, though.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

That's what I thought at first as well, but it's Gaider's specific use of not being able to romance someone 'with their character of choice' that stands out...

Ah, I see that now. Maybe you're right. Cullen is a suspected NPC romance. If there's a female counterpart, that probably means 6 LIs this game. That could definitely mean they might be doing 2/2/2. Of course, even if Cullen is a 5th extra, he might be straight, like Sebastian. 

[Ryzaki]

I don't actually think it's the romances themselves that upset Gaider, but the way people treat them as a given. And the outrage it often creates, no matter what they try.

 

He's included romance in all his Dragon Age books after all, it can't be that he doesn't like romance as such.

 

But I can understand getting tired of the fans excessive demands towards it. Usually a writer just wants to make good stuff and not have to please everyone.

 

Agreed. And I'm all out of likes

[Ryzaki]

Ah, I see that now. Maybe you're right. Cullen is a suspected NPC romance. If there's a female counterpart, that probably means 6 LIs this game. That could definitely mean they might be doing 2/2/2. Of course, even if Cullen is a 5th extra, he might be straight, like Sebastian. 

 

Yeah hopefully the bi LIs are companions and not NPCs =/ that way everyone gets a companion romance at the very least.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

It does make me think that my initial assumptions about 4 bisexual LI's might be wrong, though.

Honestly, I didn't think that would happen once Iron Bull was confirmed both as a warrior and in the party, making Cullen look VERY likely as an NPC. I don't think they'd replace a companion romance with an NPC romance. The numbers look like either 5 or 6, to me. 

[duckley]

Unrequited love.... sucks period. No matter what the reason when love is not returned it is sad. But it is a fact of life I guess....

[Ashelsu]

Where does 2/2/2 thing come from? Did the devs drop some info or is it purely a speculation? Because that would make every female companion romanceble, unless Scribe girl is NPC LI or something.

[AresKeith]

Where does 2/2/2 thing come from? Did the devs drop some info or is it purely a speculation? Because that would make every female companion romanceble, unless Scribe girl is NPC LI or something.

 

David Gaider once said if they have enough resources he would prefer an equal set of set sexualities, which would be 2/2/2

[Ashelsu]

Thank you. Thought it was on PAX somewhere.

Well, Sebastian was a DLC, and his romance was... very uninspiring. And they got a lot of backlash because how male and female Shep options were unequal in ME3.

Cullen and Cassandra are probably announced first because of their popularity. And thus making them anything but bisexual would be a very strange move. While devs can make new NPC anything they want.

But I agree, it's all very vague at the moment.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Where does 2/2/2 thing come from? Did the devs drop some info or is it purely a speculation? Because that would make every female companion romanceble, unless Scribe girl is NPC LI or something.

Cullen is probably going to be an NPC romance, so it stands to reason that there would be a female NPC romance if they were doing 2/2/2. (Which Ares explained.)

 

I'm not entirely convinced Cullen maybe being an NPC romance means that, though. We had FIVE romances last time. Sebastian was an extra romance. It's also possible that Cullen will be a 5th this time. 

[Mentxi]

Cullen is unlikely to be a companion (based on the 3/3/3 balance), he will be the first NPC LI in Dragon age. I really have a feeling that there is another female NPC LI out there (scribe girl?), probably a new character. I don't think that we have less than 4 companions LI, so my bet is:

 

-Cullen,females only

-Varric, female/male (too many fans to restrict him)

-Dramatic hands, males only

 

-Cassandra, male and female (like Varric, too many fans to restrict her)

- NPC romance, males only (or female)

-Sera/archer elf , females only (or male)

 

That would be sweet

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I don't think Varric will be an LI. I think it's more likely that Bianca might still be alive and maybe we'll be able to help him find her, since a dev hinted her story might not be finished yet, supposedly. 

[Mentxi]

I don't think Varric will be an LI. I think it's more likely that Bianca might still be alive and maybe we'll be able to help him find her, since a dev hinted her story might not be finished yet, supposedly. 

Ok, Varric loves Bianca, but maybe she doesn't love him, who knows. Drama can happen. Maybe it's Solas, but considering how popular Varric is... we don't have enough evidence to rule out him or the elf. One thing is certain, there are two human companion LI, male and female (has always been like this). Cass is the female one (confirmed), so we have the grey warden and dramatic hands for possible candidates.

[Battlebloodmage]

Cullen is unlikely to be a companion (based on the 3/3/3 balance), he will be the first NPC LI in Dragon age. I really have a feeling that there is another female NPC LI out there (scribe girl?), probably a new character. I don't think that we have less than 4 companions LI, so my bet is:

 

-Cullen,females only

-Varric, female/male (too many fans to restrict him)

-Dramatic hands, males only

 

-Cassandra, male and female (like Varric, too many fans to restrict her)

- NPC romance, males only (or female)

-Sera/archer elf , females only (or male)

 

That would be sweet

Anora is chopped liver?

What we know based on Bioware's frequent comments on resource limitation and playersexual. There should only be 4 companions romance originally. If they added 2 NPC romance for each gender then it's likely that the NPC LI would be bisexual. We go under the assumption of 2/2/2. If there is a bisexual guy/girl, the there would only be one spot left for either gay or straight with the NPC being the other orientation. Seeing as some groups would get shafted regardless if one companion is bisexual while the other one is gay or straight. The best solution would be to make the NPC LI to be the bisexual while we have a gay and straight companions to bring along per gender. With that in mind, I think Cullen would be bisexual. 

[Blackrising]

Anora is chopped liver?

What we know based on Bioware's frequent comments on resource limitation and playersexual. There should only be 4 companions romance originally. If they added 2 NPC romance for each gender then it's likely that the NPC LI would be bisexual. We go under the assumption of 2/2/2. If there is a bisexual guy/girl, the there would only be one spot left for either gay or straight with the NPC being the other orientation. Seeing as some groups would get shafted regardless if one companion is bisexual while the other one is gay or straight. The best solution would be to make the NPC LI to be the bisexual while we have a gay and straight companions to bring along per gender. With that in mind, I think Cullen would be bisexual. 

 

Anora generally seems to not count. Which is understandable, considering the marriage between her and ManWarden was meant to be a political one. (Not in my headcanon, but whatever.)

 

Honestly, I'm pretty sure Cullen would be the female-only romance, with Cassandra being the male-only romance. Both things I don't like, but you know. Cullen due to his infatuation with MageWarden in DA:O and Cassandra because she is implied to have been attracted to Mageguy in DotS. (Not that it says anything about their sexuality other than that they were capable of being attracted to the opposite gender at that point in time, but you know how people are.)

I can easily see Sera being the female-only gay romance, with Solas being the male-only gay romance. The two bisexual LIs...who knows. I don't particularly care. If Cassandra turns out to be hetero-only, the romances probably won't hold my interest anyway. *shrug*

[KainD]

Unrequited love.... sucks period. No matter what the reason when love is not returned it is sad. But it is a fact of life I guess....

 

Yes, selfless love is the worst.

[Banxey]

Every time the gender preference issue came up in DA2, Bioware (and DG's) position was that people should have access to all LIs. That was a design choice they defended. While obviously that doesn't mean DA:I will be similar, I think it would be a pretty radical departure from them to do it. So while it's true that Bioware hasn't come out and said anything, I think excepting gender preferences to be fixed is a bit like expecting dual wielding warriors to come back: pretty unlikely.

While that may be true, it is also true that we have not been given confirmation about it one way or the other and we frequently have devs telling us not to assume anything. So with that in mind asking for clarification before getting your hopes up seems like the best thing to do. Nobody has demanded it, they have just said they felt disappointed. They just want to be allowed to be as excited about the announcement as the other fans, or they want to know that there is no point in getting excited, so they can turn their attention elsewhere.

Yes, People who don't have a Problem with playing straight male characters will be able to romance Cassandra. Now they know, that's good News! You don't know if you'll be able to romance Cassandra, I don't know if I will be able to romance Iron Bull, other people don't know if they'll be able to romance Varric. That's the way it is, no Unfairness that I could see.Also, if you're as unflexibile in your roleplaying as you say you are (that's fine of course, no offense) you'll probably have to deal with not seeing several things that you will only see when taking a different approach. That's the nature of roleplaying games and that's the way I like these games to be. The devs said they would either represent every sexuality equally or choose playersexuality, so if we get 2/2/2 you still have plenty of options. If Cassandra is none of the bi or gay options that's sad for you, I can understand that, but in some way it's part of the roleplaying experience. Cassandra happens to be straight in this case and if that's the way the writers intended her to be, None of us has the right to complain imo.

None of us know if we can romance Bull. None of us know if we can romance Varric. Straight people know they can romance Cullen/Cassandra as their own gender. Gay people do not. That seems unfair to me.

I don't actually think it's the romances themselves that upset Gaider, but the way people treat them as a given. And the outrage it often creates, no matter what they try.

He's included romance in all his Dragon Age books after all, it can't be that he doesn't like romance as such.

But I can understand getting tired of the fans excessive demands towards it. Usually a writer just wants to make good stuff and not have to please everyone.

The OP was asking for clarification, not making demands. I don't see what is wrong with that.

[Battlebloodmage]

Anora generally seems to not count. Which is understandable, considering the marriage between her and ManWarden was meant to be a political one. (Not in my headcanon, but whatever.)

 

Honestly, I'm pretty sure Cullen would be the female-only romance, with Cassandra being the male-only romance. Both things I don't like, but you know. Cullen due to his infatuation with MageWarden in DA:O and Cassandra because she is implied to have been attracted to Mageguy in DotS. (Not that it says anything about their sexuality other than that they were capable of being attracted to the opposite gender at that point in time, but you know how people are.)

I can easily see Sera being the female-only gay romance, with Solas being the male-only gay romance. The two bisexual LIs...who knows. I don't particularly care. If Cassandra turns out to be hetero-only, the romances probably won't hold my interest anyway. *shrug*

If you are nice to her, she would actually grow to love you.

 

Cullen is an NPC while Cassandra is a companion. It wouldn't make sense for both to be straight since if the 2/2/2 theory is correct then either both NPC for each gender have to be bi  or both only attracted to one gender. Otherwise, it wouldn't be fair for the straight females seeing as how companions are usually have more content overall. 

[Blackrising]

If you are nice to her, she would actually grow to love you.

 

Cullen is an NPC while Cassandra is a companion. It wouldn't make sense for both to be straight since if the 2/2/2 theory is correct then either both NPC for each gender have to be bi  or both only attracted to one gender. Otherwise, it wouldn't be fair for the straight females seeing as how companions are usually have more content overall. 

 

We don't know that, though. I mean, there are some hints that she does like you in Awakening, but nothing that would definitely indicate love. (I'd love to take it like that, naturally, but I wouldn't see it as canon.)

 

Nobody has said that Cullen is an NPC, though. He could be a companion. And just because companions have more content overall does not mean that an NPC romance would have less ROMANCE content, so I don't think Bioware is consciously choosing to give both NPC romances the same sexual orientation.
 

[Battlebloodmage]

We don't know that, though. I mean, there are some hints that she does like you in Awakening, but nothing that would definitely indicate love. (I'd love to take it like that, naturally, but I wouldn't see it as canon.)

 

Nobody has said that Cullen is an NPC, though. He could be a companion. And just because companions have more content overall does not mean that an NPC romance would have less ROMANCE content, so I don't think Bioware is consciously choosing to give both NPC romances the same sexual orientation.
 

David Gaider stated that he didn't like NPC romance since they wouldn't be as deep as the companions. He's the head writer, so maybe he knows something regarding the setting that make companion romance better than NPC romance. Also, just because both Cassandra and Cullen express interest in the opposite sex doesn't mean that they're opposite sex exclusive as demonstrated with Kaidan who showed disdain toward lesbian relationship and dated a girl before and Ander who wants to have a pretty woman by his side. At this point, a lot of people assume Cullen is an NPC because all 3 of the warriors spots are taken and at PAX, they stated that the distribution would be even, so 3 characters for each class.

[AresKeith]

I don't really see the problem if Cullen is a straight NPC romance

[Jynxed_]

I'm having a hard time determining exactly what benefits a confirmation like this would give you.

IMO, people who prefer to play as, lets say, a male...and they want to romance Cullen, by NOT giving the knowledge of whether he's straight, bi, or gay, those people get their hopes up and then if it turns out that they can't romance that character, there's a bigger let down than if it had just been announced in the first place. Its very similar as to the whole "Is Cullen a companion" topic. A lot of people are getting their hopes up that he will be, and if it turns out that he's not, they will be more disappointed than they would have been if it was announced before they got their hopes up. However at the end of the day, no matter what you guys decide to do, there will always be angry people, always be trolls, and always be people who complain about it. I have faith that you guys will make only the best decisions, as you know the game better than anyone at this point

[Wynterdust]

Do players who play straight characters know if they can romance Cullen as a female and Cass as a male though? It's only been confirmed they're LI's. People are just assuming they're straight it seems to me. I'll most likely play a male Inquisitor to start with but I still don't know for sure whether Cass is available to me as a male character as it hasn't been confirmed. She could well only be interested in female inquisitors for all I know. Cullen, although he showed interest in a female mage in Origins never explicitly said he was straight at any point. People are just using that to assume he is straight. Maybe Cullen is the Kaidan of Dragon Age, we don't know yet.

 

So I don't see how these reveals are unfair to anyone.

[Banxey]

Do players who play straight characters know if they can romance Cullen as a female and Cass as a male though? It's only been confirmed they're LI's. People are just assuming they're straight it seems to me. I'll most likely play a male Inquisitor to start with but I still don't know for sure whether Cass is available to me as a male character as it hasn't been confirmed. She could well only be interested in female inquisitors for all I know. Cullen, although he showed interest in a female mage in Origins never explicitly said he was straight at any point. People are just using that to assume he is straight. Maybe Cullen is the Kaidan of Dragon Age, we don't know yet.

 

So I don't see how these reveals are unfair to anyone.

 

I'm assuming this is directed at me, so..

 

Both Cassandra and Cullen have shown interest in the opposite sex before and no interest in the same sex. Your argument is that despite knowing both characters are attracted to the opposite sex that for all we know they may suddenly decide that they are exclusively gay and this is reason enough for straight players to have the same doubts as gay players thus making it completely fair. 

 

Really?

[Knight of Dane]

The OP was asking for clarification, not making demands. I don't see what is wrong with that.

I didn't say s/he were. Why do you make that assuption?