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[Lucy Glitter]

Over time, I grew to appreciate Anora more, especially once I made a HNM to marry her.  At first I viewed her as an antagonist and felt the slides for Alistair as king were much better, but over time I realized that Anora's rule had more far-reaching implications of progress and prosperity for Ferelden with a move toward increased trade and making education more accessible.  I wouldn't say I like her, there's not a lot to 'like' about her, but i certainly understand and appreciate her nuances more than I did initially.

 

I am the opposite, I didn't mind her until a got Loghain as a companion and even he reveals that she will choose any side to make her more powerful. I agree with that. She betrays you without a thought if it will look bad to her. Understandable but at the same time... can you trust her solely as queen without guidance from Loghain? Her and Alistair are a good match for the kingdom (don't they bring Ferelden into a golden age?) because they both have different moral views which would fit together, but it's tricky to get them to agree to it. I wouldn't give her the throne solely, myself. 

 

Anywhoo! Went a bit sidetrack there. 

[Corker]

Velanna.  She's prickly and angry and plain wrong in Awakening.

 

Then I noticed how she was kinda set up by the narrative.  She's angry over injustices done to the Dalish, but the game never shows us any.  She's tricked by the Awakened, but it's trivially easy for the Warden to discover the truth, making her look a fool.  And I think both of those things are gameplay artifacts, not story artifacts.

 

If humans had killed Serrani and the other Dalish, she still wouldn't have been justified in killing random travelers.  But it would have made for a much more nuanced story, especially once it became evident that she would never get justice from the local humans.  (*handwaves* Naturally the Arl of Amaranthine can execute somebody(s) responsible, but then there should be some riots or something. The arl supported a Dalish over the Fereldans they're supposed to protect? That Dalish woman was probably lying! et cetera)

[sylvanaerie]

I am the opposite, I didn't mind her until a got Loghain as a companion and even he reveals that she will choose any side to make her more powerful. I agree with that. She betrays you without a thought if it will look bad to her. Understandable but at the same time... can you trust her solely as queen without guidance from Loghain? Her and Alistair are a good match for the kingdom (don't they bring Ferelden into a golden age?) because they both have different moral views which would fit together, but it's tricky to get them to agree to it. I wouldn't give her the throne solely, myself. 

 

Anywhoo! Went a bit sidetrack there. 

 

"Golden Age" slide is HNM Cousland and Anora.  Alistair and Anora do well on the throne together for Ferelden, their strengths playing well to each other, but the "Golden Age" comment is for for the HNM and Anora.  
 

I don't mind leaving her on the throne, and the whole 'betrayal' thing, is only triggered by stupid manuevers done by the player.  She warns you not to reveal who she is to Cauthrien.  If you do so, it's you betraying her, not the other way around.  If you tell her "Ya, support me, but I'm gonna put Alistair on the throne", she won't agree to that.  I think she changes the subject then, realizing you won't be supporting her bid for the throne, and makes her choice accordingly.  If you arranged the marriage (for yourself or Alistair) and have Loghain executed, she won't marry the man who killed her father.  In that, I think that's where the 'nuance' comes out in the writing.  She wants that throne but even she has limits.  In fact, just bringing up the "Loghain has to die" dialogue line will lose her support.

 

Her 'rules alone' slides say she increases trade and plans to build a university.  Aside from the daddy complex (erecting a statue no one cares about) and the elven riots (not the first time that's happened and won't be the last), she gets a pretty positive ending for Ferelden.

Best part, Alistair gets to stay a Gray Warden (which he prefers) and the GW's stay out of politics where they really have no business being.  And Eamon goes home, his plan to put a puppet on the throne thwarted.

[Corker]

 It feels like the game is being sexist or something. I think either cousland would be ideal on the throne with their counterpart. It makes no sense that they don't do this because anora is a woman running the country... why couldn't a cousland do it just as well? Does she have some sort of special magic that a cousland does not?

 

I don't think it's a reflection on f!Cousland's capability; it's a reflection on Alistair's.  Cousland + Anora has more experience, training and skill for the job than Cousland + Alistair (and more than Anora alone, which is why they do better as a team).

[DubVee12]

Zevran - It took me 3 playthroughs before I finally got to talking to him and actually taking him on missions. I didn't even spare him until my 2nd time through and not having enough approval he joined Taliesen. Once I talked to him I really enjoyed his personal history and his tales of Antiva and such.

 

Loghain - Ever since I finally spared him on like my 6th or 7th playthrough and took him to Ostagar I've really come to like him more. I'll still kill him depending on the character I'm playing but I prefer to have him. I just wish he could have joined earlier in the game.

 

Leliana - My first playthrough she left my party because I destroyed the ashes. I didn't even get her personal quest until my 3rd playthrough. Now she's one of my favorite characters and my second favorite romance behind Morrigan's.

 

and somewhat suprisingly... Dog. I used to never have him in the party, but I've discovered I really like his banter with the other party members. Particularly with Morrigan and Leliana. I also enjoyed his exchanges with Sten back at the camp.

[Lucy Glitter]

This is why my head cannon is that the golden age is for any cousland on the throne because I think a female is just as capable as a male of picking up where anora and alistair left off. I think they are truly the ideal because now you have alistair, a true warrior with a sense of duty, honor, and commitment who cares about people and has royal blood, and a cousland who would likely be next in line, who clearly was taught well by her  father given she was even encouraged to be a warrior.... how does that not make for an excellent pairing? It feels like the game is being sexist or something. I think either cousland would be ideal on the throne with their counterpart. It makes no sense that they don't do this because anora is a woman running the country... why couldn't a cousland do it just as well? Does she have some sort of special magic that a cousland does not? Actually she does not. She needs a cousland to have the golden age.

 

I really agree with this. I think if Alistair was hardened (I will never get used to this term) he'd be an excellent ruler on his own - but with a living legend? Definitely an amazing duo that would not only be popular with the people (in love or not, having two living legends who saved your country as king and queen consort? Uhhh yeah) but also have real experience in a number of different political situations and have seen things from very different perspectives from most noblemen. Without hardening him (hahahah)? I'm gonna say not as much as he's less involved but still very popular.

 

Dunno why Anora makes a Golden Age and not Alistair and PC. They'd be as good and might be as likely to argue as much as Anora and PC do.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Dunno why Anora makes a Golden Age and not Alistair and PC. They'd be as good and might be as likely to argue as much as Anora and PC do.

 

Because Anora is smart and experienced, whereas Alistair and the Warden are meathead soldiers?

[Mike3207]

 

 

Dunno why Anora makes a Golden Age and not Alistair and PC. They'd be as good and might be as likely to argue as much as Anora and PC do.

Anora and the PC really don't argue that much, unless the PC says he's King. They actually get along pretty well, a bit better than she does with Alistair.

 

 

On the whole Golden Age thing-i have a couple of theories:

 

1. It just come down to ruling styles between M Cousland/Anora and F Cousland/Alistair. Both Couslands have similar traing, so there would have to be a different dynamic at work there.

 

2. More likely, I think it's Eamon. Eamon is the Chancellor if Alistair becomes King and the PC is not the Chancellor. I just think the circumstances are not going to be right to have a Golden Age with Eamon in the picture. He's going to want the power and he's going to want to do his best to take power from the Queen Cousland and power from the Couslands period. Eamon isn't in the picture if the male Cousland marries Anora-he goes back to Redcliffe.

[Lucy Glitter]

Because Anora is smart and experienced, whereas Alistair and the Warden are meathead soldiers?

 

Yeahhh but nooooo choice choice choice RPing

 

Anora and the PC really don't argue that much, unless the PC says he's King. They actually get along pretty well, a bit better than she does with Alistair.

 

 

On the whole Golden Age thing-i have a couple of theories:

 

1. It just come down to ruling styles between M Cousland/Anora and F Cousland/Alistair. Both Couslands have similar traing, so there would have to be a different dynamic at work there.

 

2. More likely, I think it's Eamon. Eamon is the Chancellor if Alistair becomes King and the PC is not the Chancellor. I just think the circumstances are not going to be right to have a Golden Age with Eamon in the picture. He's going to want the power and he's going to want to do his best to take power from the Queen Cousland and power from the Couslands period. Eamon isn't in the picture if the male Cousland marries Anora-he goes back to Redcliffe.

 

Eamon is pretty lukewarm to me when it comes to politics. I'd like to think warden would be a better influence than him.

[Akrabra]

Uh not sure this has been posted, but it doesn't really say that they usher in a golden age. It says that people said if they didn't end up vying for the throne they could rush in a golden age, no?.

 

Also i love Sten more and more for each playthrough, because he loves cookies, and who doesn't?!...

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I don't know if this counts but I didn't bring either Sten or Velanna with me on my first two Wardens because I found bringing them along to be morally objectionable. And while I don't regret that decision, when I finally did decide to experience their content on my third run they were pretty good additions to the party.

[Mordred]

Sten was one I grew to really like when i started getting on his good side, a bit cold and distant at first but I really enjoy his insights and belief of the qun. 

Also I've always find myself drawn to the mystery of Morrigan.. She's definitely the one i've courted the most times of all the companions avaliable.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

In this respect, I've grown to like Cullen specifically. He's kind of a buffoon in both games (to me), but yet, he's the one Templar who doesn't lose it or get ensorceled.

Or get fragged by a blood mage. That's another thing that Templars are prone to.

[Jeffonl1]

I think so too lol

New favorites.... the sisters of the chantry and their little discussion in denerim. Priceless!!!

[DragonSailor]

There are a lot of good NPCs, from Dagna, to Pick, to those drunk elfs in the alienage trying to get you to donate more money. There are just so many good characters in dao. I've always loved Daveth and Cullen and wished there was more time to get to know them. And Lanaya too was a fav. One of the characters that grew on me though, was Shale. To this day, no matter what kind of warden I'm playing, I just know that, no matter how "evil" or pragmatic or stern or selfish my warden is, he or she cannot look Shale in the face if they saved the anvil. That's probably the only decision I really waver on when i do a play through, all because of Shale. It just feels like the ultimate betrayal.

 

Another character would be Behlen. I thought he was a punk the first time I played through and he kinda still is, but I see the wisdom behind him more. Part of it is because of the epilogue you get if you side with him, but I had to admit that his actions make sense. Sure it's mean to kill Harrowmont, but he's right. You can't leave him alive and expect peace, not when the dwarfs are already willing to knife anyone in the street who doesn't share their political view.

 

Finally Oghren. I didn't like anything about him when I first played the game through, plus I did orzammar last and he was the last companion I got. But as I replayed, I put him in my party and he saved my butt a few times. Plus, he's funny. Sure he's dirty, a tad disgusting, and a bit simple, but he's got a good heart.

[Jedimaster88]

There are many characters that I like more and more during my playthroughs so I wont mention all of them. It would take some time.

 

But If I have to mention some characters, Herren and Wade are one of those. Every time I visit them, I cant help but smile. They offer some lighter moments and its welcome. Herren is funny when he shows just how unhappy he is when I bring Dragon scales.

 

Herren: "Oh its you and if you have any more scales, you can shove them..."

 

Warden: "Actually I have some dragon scales here."

 

Herren: "You just dont know when to quit!!!"

 

No I really dont know when to quit .

 

 

There is also the fact that after playing Metal gear solid games several times, whenever I hear Herren speak, my mind screams: "Liquid!!!"