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[In Exile]

Just an observation from events in TME, but I think bioware is possibly taking the city elves in a new direction. From comments made by Celene in regards to the CEs being Orlesian citizens to Briala's comment about claiming wluvians for the elves of Orlais, I am thinking they are gonna be taking the CEs in a nationalistic direction as opposed to an independent direction. It just seems to be the vibe I am getting from TME and such. Plus it will provide a further distinction between the plight of CEs vs the plight of the Dalish. Plus, I think the CEs becoming equal citizens is far more original and far more achievable. Anyway just a thought.

 

It's a real shame that you can't be a CE in DAI. It's the only hugely disappointing thing about the game so far .

[Shadow Fox]

*throws tables*

 

Clings CE in DAO close "Don't worry you're a Teryn. They can't take that away from you. _{^{I hope}}."

Now I picture my CE turning blue and bug-eyed because I'm squeezing her so tight she can't breathe .

[LobselVith8]

The warden being bann still bad but at least he/she doesn't end up dead.

“With <FirstName/> as their new voice, the elves became prosperous in a way they had never known... enough to draw elves from nearby lands, desperate for real hope. The influx built ire among the human population and eventually resulted in a riot in Denerim, showing that as much as things change, they always stay the same.”    

oooh so that was the issue. More elves coming in. Makes sense. Also sounds like the PC probably ended the riot without Anora/Alistair having to get involved. Hopefully.

 

I get the feeling the food shortage simply didn't happen with the Hero of Ferelden serving as the elven Bann, and I get the impression the riot was from the humans in that situation, as opposed to the elves.

[Shadow Fox]

I don't see why both options shouldn't be made available in the future for the enjoyment of both groups, instead of wanting Dalish fans to suffer the same way CE fans are right now.

Fair is fair.

[LobselVith8]

Fair is fair.

 

Strictly speaking, we had two options to play as a city elf, whether it was the one living in the Alienage, or the one who had been taken to the Circle of Magi because of their magical ability. Honestly, I don't think the exclusion of the background for city elves is fair for CE fans, but I don't see how doing the same to the fans of the Dalish in the future would make things any better.

[Ryzaki]

I get the feeling the food shortage simply didn't happen with the Hero of Ferelden serving as the elven Bann, and I get the impression the riot was from the humans in that situation, as opposed to the elves.

 

Most likely the PC was able to calm the elf side down.

[Mistic]

I wonder why the problem always arises between Dalish and City Elves. I mean, it's very likely that we will have only one Dwarven origin, but I don't see people complaining about it being Noble/Non-noble/Surfacer only XD

 

Maybe it's because the different Elven cultures hit the bullseye. Our Elves Are Different versus Our Dwarves Are All The Same, so to speak.

[BlueMagitek]

Most likely the PC was able to calm the elf side down.

 

It's the Hero of Ferelden.

 

PC : I heard there was a food shortage, so I started to walk to Redcliffe and wound up killing 40 bears and a legion of bandits.  I looted their stuff and dragged the bear corpses back, so we can eat that!

City Elfs: Glory to Tabris!

[BlueMagitek]

I wonder why the problem always arises between Dalish and City Elves. I mean, it's very likely that we will have only one Dwarven origin, but I don't see people complaining about it being Noble/Non-noble/Surfacer only XD

 

Maybe it's because the different Elven cultures hit the bullseye. Our Elves Are Different versus Our Dwarves Are All The Same, so to speak.

 

I get the feeling that it's easier to play a City Elf or Dalish than it is to put yourself in the mindset of a caste.  It's also hard to imagine that, unless you are a casteless, your character would be willing to relocate to the surface and lose your dwarf-ness and position.  Not ever dwarf is Dagna.

[Herr Uhl]

I wonder why the problem always arises between Dalish and City Elves. I mean, it's very likely that we will have only one Dwarven origin, but I don't see people complaining about it being Noble/Non-noble/Surfacer only XD

 

Maybe it's because the different Elven cultures hit the bullseye. Our Elves Are Different versus Our Dwarves Are All The Same, so to speak.

Few on the surface care if you were a noble or a street sweeper. If you're there, chances are that you're already disowned by your house.

[Mistic]

I get the feeling that it's easier to play a City Elf or Dalish than it is to put yourself in the mindset of a caste.  It's also hard to imagine that, unless you are a casteless, your character would be willing to relocate to the surface and lose your dwarf-ness and position.  Not ever dwarf is Dagna.

 

True. Maybe it's because the Dwarves don't use their situations as flags that there aren't so strong opinions about them as about elves. In the Casteless origin surfacers are astonished that the casteless don't flee to the surface. And the surfacers may be casteless in theory, but they don't have to deal with too many problems. They seem to be spectators, not victims or executioners.

 

But I like pointing out the Dwarven example, because being "Dalish" or "City Elf" is analogue to being "Dwarven Noble" or "Surfacer". They're different cultures, nothing more, nothing less. And neither Dalish nor City Elves can presume of having the "true" elven viewpoint, since there are many.

[AlaskaThe1st]

So can I completely disown the Dalish? 

[Herr Uhl]

But I like pointing out the Dwarven example, because being "Dalish" or "City Elf" is analogue to being "Dwarven Noble" or "Surfacer". They're different cultures, nothing more, nothing less. And neither Dalish nor City Elves can presume of having the "true" elven viewpoint, since there are many.

The difference is in how the world will react to you. Unless you're in a dwarven city, of which there are two, your heritage wouldn't matter a lot. A city elf and a Dalish elf would get vastly different receptions in almost every settlement in Thedas.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I don't see why both options shouldn't be made available in the future for the enjoyment of both groups, instead of wanting Dalish fans to suffer the same way CE fans are right now.

And I don't see how they couldn't both be available now, so the second best option is to at least be fair.

[wcholcombe]

This is all very interesting but has all of what to do with the topic I proposed?

[LobselVith8]

And I don't see how they couldn't both be available now, so the second best option is to at least be fair.

There were two CE options in Origins (given the elven mage), so excluding the Dalish in the future wouldn't be fair.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

There were two CE options in Origins (given the elven mage), so excluding the Dalish in the future wouldn't be fair.

The Elven Mage wasn't a City Elf since they lived entirely different lives. That's like saying the Human Noble and Human Mage were the same. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

This is all very interesting but has all of what to do with the topic I proposed?

If the City Elves are smart, they'll band together rather than remain as separate groups.

[LobselVith8]

The Elven Mage wasn't a City Elf since they lived entirely different lives. That's like saying the Human Noble and Human Mage were the same.

The elven mage can remark about what human city they were from, and can talk to Leliana about life in the Alienage; the person was technically a city elf.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The elven mage can remark about what human city they were from, and can talk to Leliana about life in the Alienage; the person was technically a city elf.

No, once they were brought to the Circle they are technically a mage. Any other attachment to society, such as noble claims in the Human Mage's case, are dropped. From that point forward, you are and will only ever be a mage. The Mages have an entirely different culture.

[Shadow Fox]

Turn to banditry perhaps?

[LobselVith8]

No, once they were brought to the Circle they are technically a mage. Any other attachment to society, such as noble claims in the Human Mage's case, are dropped. From that point forward, you are and will only ever be a mage. The Mages have an entirely different culture.

My Surana Warden commented on the treatment of the elves in the Denerim Alienage, addressed an elven perspective at times, and was seen as an elf by other characters, so I don't see why you think the two are mutually exclusive.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

My Surana Warden commented on the treatment of the elves in the Denerim Alienage, addressed an elven perspective at times, and was seen as an elf by other characters, so I don't see why you think the two are mutually exclusive.

My Dalish was seen as an elf by the city elves. Does that make my Dalish a City Elf too? Or my City Elf and Elf Mage were seen as elves by the Dalish. Does that make them Dalish?

 

Regardless, we should get this back on topic.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

It's kind of hard to predict exactly how it's going to go down. Briala's plan was about making the the Orlesian Civil War drags on as long as possible in order to free the city elves, but the prospect of an actual elven rebellion still pretty bleak after the one in Halamshiral was crushed with pitiful ease.

 

It also struck me as odd how Briala changed her mind about Dalish elves by the end. The book makes a big point about how Dalish and City Elves are very different and won't necessarily care about eachother's plight, but in the end Briala still wants to unify them. After meeting that one clan, she comes to the painful realization that the Dalish Elves aren't her people and spends the rest of the book reiterating that, only to say "OK, they are my people" in the epilogue.

[LobselVith8]

It's kind of hard to predict exactly how it's going to go down. Briala's plan was about making the the Orlesian Civil War drags on as long as possible in order to free the city elves, but the prospect of an actual elven rebellion still pretty bleak after the one in Halamshiral was crushed with pitiful ease.

The Annulment of the Circle of Kirkwall changed things for the mages, even if it's a massacre with the Champion helping Meredith; the same may be true for the elves with the purge of thousands in Halamshiral.

It also struck me as odd how Briala changed her mind about Dalish elves by the end. The book makes a big point about how Dalish and City Elves are very different and won't necessarily care about eachother's plight, but in the end Briala still wants to unify them. After meeting that one clan, she comes to the painful realization that the Dalish Elves aren't her people and spends the rest of the book reiterating that, only to say "OK, they are my people" in the epilogue.

Briala pretty much bought into Felassan's claim that the Dalish are all like Clan Caricature, I mean Clan Virnehn. She does extend the offer to Mihris to accept the aid of the Dalish for the goal of helping all the elves, so that wasn't surprising, as she needs all the help she can get.