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[Grieving Natashina]

Yeah, agreed.  DA2 had some serious faults, as everyone can agree with.  However, I personally thought that there was some cool stuff too.  I'd rather not have the good things ignored just because the game had some serious weaknesses. 

[TKavatar]

As one mod (Allen I think) said, "All companions are all sort of special snowflake-y."

Well he's a super snowflake because the dude has got dragon blood in his veins that can reawaken dragons or something. No other companion ever comes close to his level of snowflakiness except for maybe Morrigan.

[Grieving Natashina]

I suppose it just doesn't phase me either way.  I play RPGs to feel special for about 40-50 hours of game time.  Whether it's "rags to riches" (Hawke, some of the Origins) or just "born for greatness,"  I'm there to be the hero of the story.  

[HiroVoid]

This is similar to myself as well.

 

I liked the idea we had with Hawke, in that he was much less of a "Chosen One" type.  Even if the execution was lacking for a lot of people.  On some level the PC is likely ALWAYS a special snowflake (by virtue of accomplishing things in the plot that others don't for reasons), I tend to prefer protagonists that stand out less from the crowd.

 

Hardly a deal breaker, however.

Yeah.  I still think Hawke falls under the special snowflake deal in being a character who's always considered to be a better combatant than everyone else in the game like he's some kind of terminator.  Of course, I grew up on a JRPG background where the protagonist was generally treated as about equal to the companions, and you had other people in the world higher level that could wipe the floor with you at the beginning of the game.

[Dio Demon]

The really sad thing is that we'll never see how DA2 would've turned out with a bit more time. That's the real tragedy, I would've loved to the full scope to see of  what they were planning implemented.

[Allan Schumacher]

Yeah.  I still think Hawke falls under the special snowflake deal in being a character who's always considered to be a better combatant than everyone else in the game like he's some kind of terminator.  Of course, I grew up on a JRPG background where the protagonist was generally treated as about equal to the companions, and you had other people in the world higher level that could wipe the floor with you at the beginning of the game.

 

On some level there's story/gameplay segregation, but it's a fair point.  Though level progressions and whatnot begin to complicate things, as in a JRPG (or any game without a type of level scaling), you get bizarre and artificial progression of characters where someone like Cloud is a professional soldier, but by the end he's a billion times more powerful than he was as a... genetically engineered super soldier....

[A.Kazama]

To continue, this is what I think about OPs examples.

 

Tidus - Yes, he is. JRPG heroes tend to be, in general.

Revan - Sort of. In the plot, yes, but in his history and the SW universe, no.

Marth - Not as familiar with Fire Emblem, sorry. Depends how much the story world and characters required him to do his thing.

Inquisitor - Yes, it looks like it so far. In fact, more than the Warden. Strong turn away from the Hawke type.

 

A special ability doesn't make one a SS. Having that ability (and/or even just existing) + constant reference to only YOU mattering for things + it all coming down to YOU in the end, tends to make you a SS.

Marth is the Prince of Altea and wields the falchion (and the fire emblem) of legend which is the only thing that can slay Grima the felldragon, for more info you may visit wikia's hope that helps on the SS front

[Wulfram]

I think a nominally normal guy doing the stuff it seems like the Inquisitor is doing would be more of a special snowflake than someone who was doing it because they had some sort of special ability or status.  It gives a reason for why the PC is taking the lead that doesn't rely on them just being more awesome than everyone else

[A.Kazama]

The really sad thing is that we'll never see how DA2 would've turned out with a bit more time. That's the real tragedy, I would've loved to the full scope to see of  what they were planning implemented.

Totally agree with you, I really wanted to see Hawke in an Exalted March DLC, but at least (so we're told) some parts of the exalted march are passing to inquisition.

[Dio Demon]

Totally agree with you, I really wanted to see Hawke in an Exalted March DLC, but at least (so we're told) some parts of the exalted march are passing to inquisition.

But we at least saw the two DLC which showed MASSIVE improvement though. But I think I'm leading this to a bit off the beaten path, sorry.

[dlux]

In a high fantasy setting there will always be special snowflakes and normal characters, simply because that is how how high fantasy settings work.

That said, I would rather play the special snowflake that already is or eventually becomes special; either by chance, or through his actions and agenda. That is simply more interesting in a high fantasy setting.

 

In regards to the special snowflake syndrome that appears in many games. 
 
e.g. Tidus = Not Being Real
Revan = Super powerful darklord
Marth = Wields a sword restricted to his Bloodline
AND in the case we are soon to have (From what I've recently gathered)
Inquisitor = Ability to seal and open Veil Tears... 
(I'm sure there are many more examples but those were from the top of my head)

You forgot the Bhaalspawn.   
 

[Allan Schumacher]

I think a nominally normal guy doing the stuff it seems like the Inquisitor is doing would be more of a special snowflake than someone who was doing it because they had some sort of special ability or status.  It gives a reason for why the PC is taking the lead that doesn't rely on them just being more awesome than everyone else

 

I think there's some conflation with the ideas of things like a "Chosen One" and so forth.

 

When I use the term "Special Little Snowflake" to respond to the PC and the party members, it's that they're able to do things and survive things that they really shouldn't be able to do simply because the gameplay and narrative deem it possible.  Moreso the narrative.  It's kind of an example of story/gameplay segregation.

[Potato Cat]

I don't hate the special snowflake thing. I just hate it when it's presented as a Chosen One thing. And even then it's just because the trope has been so overused.

[metatheurgist]

I don't mind the special snowflake. Sometimes the story is about being special. Though it is nice to have variety. I don't consider Tidus a special snowflake, you could say that not being a real person made him a non-person, sub-human less than normal. He didn't have any special powers or a great destiny, he just had a relationship with an antagonist. Most (none?) of the gold box RPGs had special snowflakes.

[Vincent-Vega]

While I enjoyed pretty much every Bioware game so far, I'm not too fond of the god-like heroes who decide the fate of whole nations or galaxies.

 

I prefer people like Michael Thorton (Alpha Protocol) or J.C. Denton (Deus Ex, aside from the ending) and Hawke who are important, but not that allmighty. It's just more realistic and therefore thrilling.
 

[Innsmouth Dweller]

you can put the Nameless One on that list.

and i must say, i love that seeking truth/end arc.

 

i don't see the Warden or Hawke as Special Snowflakes. Warden was actually forced to abandon his/her life (Duncan's presence seemed like pure luck) and fight the biggest threat in centuries alone (save for Alistair and few ppl they met on their journey). Hawke was just pushed around by events - the Blight, the need of securing his/her family's future. he/she just was there in the middle, fixing other ppl's mess. if they were special it's because they were both committed.

 

the Chosen Ones bug me much more. my PC being incarnation of legendary hero or the only one who could slay some big bad demon makes me wince.

[Lebanese Dude]

I don't get why so many people are cynical about this.

"Chosen One" types are often needed in fantasy storytelling because some are simply fit r the job better than others, contrary to real life where everyone can potentially be good at something with enough training and discipline. (Varying skill of course)

Take Avexis. She can mind control dragons. Nobody else is known for it. There may be others, but this one is the only one we know. We need her for our plans.

I don't think any mage can simply decide to mid control a dragon. Magic is funny that way.

Same thing applies to inquisition.

[Lorien19]

I don't really see how the inquisitor could be considered as a special snowflake so far...From what we know,he just happened to be in the right place the right time to acquire a skill necessary to complete a task...Sure it's  a very important task,but still it's not something our character was born with to make them special.He's more like the right person for the job...

[Divine Justinia V]

I like being a special snowflake in video games I'm not even gonna lie

[Darth Krytie]

I like being a special snowflake in video games I'm not even gonna lie

 

tbh, if you're not special, then when the hell does everyone trust you to get the job done? It seems weird that everyone will look at you and say, random nobody, please save the world for us, plzkthnxbai.

[Lorien19]

I like being a special snowflake in video games I'm not even gonna lie

To be honest,I don't mind it either...It's fantasy after all!Although I believe that the pc will always be a special snowflake,for the sole reason that she/he's the pc.

[Tinxa]

It only bothers me when specialness is just heaped on one character.

 

I didn't read the books or comics but I've heard a little about it and for example I don't like the direction in which Alistair is going: Not only is he a Greywarden, a Greywarden instrumental to ending the blight, a bastard son of a king and heir to the throne but he ALSO happens to have some sort of dragon blood or something... it's just too much... oh and his father who was supposed to be dead was also alive this whole time...dun dun dun... it just gets ridiculous with so many things going on with one char.

[Mistic]

I don't dislike Special Snowflakes if they're written in an itneresting way (not to Mary Sue levels). After all, since the Epic of Gilgamesh, it's been one of the oldest and most often used tropes in existence. Why? Because people like that? But variety is also good. Hawke was an attempt to do a different thing, and I welcome that (not the execution, though, because with all that about "Champion of Kirkwall" or "becoming noble so no one can touch you or your friends" he wasn't as common as many may think).

 

I, for one, prefer when the heroes have worked up their way to the top. The Warden is a good example. At the beginning, he or she is just the junior of the Wardens. Only the Human Noble starts in a somehwat advantageous position, since he's still considered a Fereldan noble (the Dwarven Noble lost everything by the end of his or her origin). If they become saviours of the realm is because of their actions, not because of a prophecy or a mysterious power that no one else can have.

[TKavatar]

It only bothers me when specialness is just heaped on one character.

I didn't read the books or comics but I've heard a little about it and for example I don't like the direction in which Alistair is going: Not only is he a Greywarden, a Greywarden instrumental to ending the blight, a bastard son of a king and heir to the throne but he ALSO happens to have some sort of dragon blood or something... it's just too much... oh and his father who was supposed to be dead was also alive this whole time...dun dun dun... it just gets ridiculous with so many things going on with one char.

This is why I don't like his character. He's become a super duper snowflake now with his magical dragon blood and his Therin 'destiny'. Why couldn't he just be a normal bastard prince who happens to be a Grey Warden and one of the Heroes of Ferelden? But no, they had to make him even more extra 'special', and for me that's a huge turnoff.

[A.Kazama]

tbh, if you're not special, then when the hell does everyone trust you to get the job done? It seems weird that everyone will look at you and say, random nobody, please save the world for us, plzkthnxbai.

Thamond should be the leader of the inquisition!