Well, this just requires a reformulation of point 2; Shepard has unusual strength of mind that lets him handle the Cipher. Not unprecedented, since Saren has it too.
Not unprecented, but transparently coincidental. Not that I really care about story contrivances like these, but I'm wondering if that would still qualify as legitimate for Ieldra.
Shepard is never shown or shilled to be particularly special because of the Cipher. That is just complete delusionary nonsense.
Shepard is never shown or shilled to be particularly special because of the Cipher. That is just complete delusionary nonsense.
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Shepard is never shown or shilled to be particularly special because of the Cipher. That is just complete delusionary nonsense.
Shepard from the get go is supposed to be the best humanity can offer, hence being selected to join the SPECTREs.
Right. More or less. It has utterly nothing to do with the Cipher or with Lazarus or anything else of the sort.
But what if...........it does?Right. More or less. It has utterly nothing to do with the Cipher or with Lazarus or anything else of the sort.
Right. More or less. It has utterly nothing to do with the Cipher or with Lazarus or anything else of the sort.
I mean, I'm sure those things helped(The Cipher at least definitely did), but yeah, Shepard was always the best of the best.
bob is right at least as far as the cipher goes, after ME1 it comes up what once. not saying he isn't one, because he is, but not cause of that. and he was picked for lazarus because of his special snowflakeness, it didn't make him one.
though bob you could have been nicer about it.
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bob is right at least as far as the cipher goes, after ME1 it comes up what once. not saying he isn't one, because he is, but not cause of that. and he was picked for lazarus because of his special snowflakeness, it didn't make him one.
though bob you could have been nicer about it.
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To establish Shepard's reputation? Not really. I don't think the Cipher was mentioned one single time in ME 2. It's used on Thessia, on Feros and the Normandy, and touched upon on Ilos, and that's it. Not once does anybody ever say anything along the lines of 'Let's put Shepard in charge because he has the Cipher' or 'We need Shepard because he has the Cipher' or 'Shepard is great/successful/a hero/ because of the Cipher.
On top of that the reactions to Shepard being able to unlock the beacon and understand the hologram on Ilos seem to be neutral. Nobody falls down on their knees in awe that Shepard has the Cipher. Nobody so much as mentions it afterwards.
Same thing with Lazarus. I cannot remember a single person even so much as mentioned Shepard being made strong or capable because of Lazarus.
To establish Shepard's reputation? Not really. I don't think the Cipher was mentioned one single time in ME 2. It's used on Thessia, on Feros and the Normandy, and touched upon on Ilos, and that's it. Not once does anybody ever say anything along the lines of 'Let's put Shepard in charge because he has the Cipher' or 'We need Shepard because he has the Cipher' or 'Shepard is great/successful/a hero/ because of the Cipher.
On top of that the reactions to Shepard being able to unlock the beacon and understand the hologram on Ilos seem to be neutral. Nobody falls down on their knees in awe that Shepard has the Cipher. Nobody so much as mentions it afterwards.
It's touched on again in the From Ashes DLC as well. You see some Prothean data that only you can make sense of because of the Cipher.
It's touched on again in the From Ashes DLC as well. You see some Prothean data that only you can make sense of because of the Cipher.
You can also see the beacon message again in ME2 if you do the DLC and get the prothean artifact.
You can also see the beacon message again in ME2 if you do the DLC and get the prothean artifact.
The one during the Blue Suns questline, right?
The one during the Blue Suns questline, right?
Well, the Firewalker stuff, I think. The Blue Suns are the enemy there, though.
Well, the Firewalker stuff, I think. The Blue Suns are the enemy there, though.
No, the Firewalker was Heretic Geth, but you are right there was the Prothean orb there too.
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I meant for other people's posts, I'm fine mine it's guy with the pictures that annoying me.
I meant for other people's posts, I'm fine mine it's guy with the pictures that annoying me.
If you have adblock, you can right click on the image, then right click again, select "block image"
If you have adblock, you can right click on the image, then right click again, select "block image"
No, you can't.
No, you can't.
And yet the image still stands at the top of the page. Therefore it does't work, and my statement still stands.
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Are special snowflakes supposed to a good thing or a bad thing?? As for the Joe schmo comment, Ramza Beoulve of Final Fantasy tactics is the probably the best example of a "regular character", as regular of a hero one can get within the confines of a fantasy game. While his Dark Knight and Holy Knight companions are using miraculous magical sword attacks to destroy their enemies, Ramza has only his base skillset (which is just a moderately upgraded version of the generic squire skillset) to wok with.
In all honesty I think having an average protagonist can work, but really it depends on what the game's definition of "average" is. In Tactics it was quite commonplace to hurl fireballs at people, summons magical eidolons into crushing your enemies, and even distorting time by warping across the battlefield. You would gain companions like Agrias, and Meliadoul who have sensational sword powers that make Ramza look like a nobody then you have Orlandu who makes everyone look like a nobody. In the end it was rewarding to face the final boss with a level 50+ Ramza armed with dual wielding Knight Swords, Blade Grasp reaction, Maintenance, and Teleport abilities because as a supposedly "ordinary" character in Ivalice he made it work with whatever average (meaning not NPC jobs like Assassin or Holy Knight) job classes were available.
What I'm trying to say is that you could argue that the Warden and Hawke are "average" PCs (aside from the titles and prestige) they both could have very easily just ignored their priorities (read destinies) and taken the "Reaver" (of Fable) route and did whatever they deemed most profitable while sitting back and watching the ensuing chaos. I mean really Riordin could have been the one to end the blight had he not been captured or died in the end, really there was no special birthright or prophecy stating that only the warden-commander can do this, it is just implied since it is the main character/hero of the tale and is your avatar.
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To answer your question:
There is nothing wrong with SSS. It basically has to do with the gamer and how they feel about certain situations and whether the character is special to them or not. I love SSS, because it makes my MC feel more important and interesting. Hence: 'SPECIAL!'
But others might disagree saying that its overused and that it makes the character 'overpowered' or a 'blank character' with nothing interesting about them other then being a 2-D wall. This can be true depending how they are written as well as their role in the story.
So in the end, it all sums up to how you feel about it and why I created the thread in the first place.
But in my opinion SSS is good and closing Veil Tears IS cool. Like Fezzes... Fezzes are cool...
If the Inquisitor is going to get Shepard's level of special snowflake treatment then I prefer that there is something actually special about Quizzy. But in general I prefer Hawke, who has some skills but the world and it's dog aren't going out of their way to praise them.
I think there's some conflation with the ideas of things like a "Chosen One" and so forth.
When I use the term "Special Little Snowflake" to respond to the PC and the party members, it's that they're able to do things and survive things that they really shouldn't be able to do simply because the gameplay and narrative deem it possible. Moreso the narrative. It's kind of an example of story/gameplay segregation.
Technically this is "plot armor". Special Snowflake syndrome refers to characters having WILDLY unusual or even unique traits. Sten could be a bit of a Special Snowflake because even with his backstory the justification for a lone Qunari to be way the heck out in the middle of Fereldan was pretty weak. Shale was 100% special snowflake but that was also kind of the *point* with her. Wynne was a bit of a special snowflake due to her unique possession. Fenris was a special snowflake. Anders would have been except Wynne beat him to the punch with the possessed bit.
Being the first Dragonborn for hundreds of years? Special snowflake. Being "the" anything pretty much makes you a special snowflake.
But, then, there's always the other truism--normal people don't adventure. There's a strong selection bias toward having every distinctive weirdo in the country in your adventuring party because the people with jobs and lives that haven't gone bananas are too busy for your crazy shenanigans.
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