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[BioFan (Official)]

 Charles loves Eric... maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he was referring to Raven. But... in my head, Charles totally loves Eric

 

 

 

Who is this Charles? lollolololol I should probably meet him! 

[Galagraphia]

LOL! Yeah, WoT puts the big events from the book all in 9:40. 
 
In tracking every date mention with annoying detail, I think the only things that were wrong were the (multiple!) mentions of Anders doing  his thing in Kirkwall "a year ago." Every other date syncs with it being around 9:40.

I think that maybe David Gaider wrote the book while DAII was still in development, and Anders was supposed to blow up Elthina in 9:39, and then Asunder was supposed to happen, meanwhile Cass went to Kirkwall to find the Champion. But then someone decided, "Hey, let's make a comic with characters everyone loves? Move Anders' thing to the year 37 to make room for Varric adventures." And they did so, but forgot to fix Asunder.

"For today" R2 says.
 
Oh, but I did want to pick up on Galagraphia's questions upthread a bit. About how the demons might feel abt the Fade tear. I don;t think the Breach will cause them to lose their demon-y powers. Annnnd I'm guessing their happy to finally get thru the Fade. And try and kick our azz. You know cuz they be hatin' ....and tryin' to catch us rollin' dirty...ahem.
 
At any rate they essentially envious of mortals cuz we have that divine creative spark within us. Then when they tried to see what all the uproar was abt, they saw all the dark parts, too. altho, nobody ever promised that carrying that creative spark stuff would be easy.
 
So, now they're being judgey, while still hatin' and being envious. Technically, they would be rather like our older siblings. That the Maker turned aside cuz......raisins? That seemed pretty harsh to me. Through no fault of their own, the Maker just tossed them aside, His First Children.
 
So, now they want to eat us. Where and how the Old Gods fit into all this.......they were not a part of the Creator's plan (assuming that "Creator" and Maker are one and the same. And apparently the Old Gods were not "created"...by the Maker? I think.

You know, after I discovered why the Maker turned his back on the spirits, I realized that he was a very immature and irresponsible god, who loves to blame others for his mistakes. You see, according to the Chant, he created spirits with the ability to create stuff, but apparently forgot to give them a passion for it, or the imagination. So instead of creating things, they gathered around him, singing along with the Fade music (probably hint on the lyrium here). And then the Maker threw a tantrum: "HOW DARE YOU BE SO BORING? I've made you to amuse me, because I'm bored, and although I'm the one who forgot to give you imagination, I'm totally going to blame you for being lazy asses! Screw you, I'll make myself children 2.0 instead of patching you to 1.01." And so he made mortals. With their souls apparently made of Fade stuff, they had a burning passion to do something, ambitions, and all that, so they got creative, and spirits saw what they were doing when mortals were coming back to Fade in their dreams, and started recreating these things too.
Resume: Maker is the worst father you can imagine, and I have no idea why people embrace Andraste's teachings, and try to please that pouty little god. Basically the entire religion is based on making people feel guilty.

[rapscallioness]

yep, Galagraphia. that story did make me feel sorry for them cuz it was just wrong.  i mean, if the story is true. i remember in dao during the blind templar in the alienage quest, one demon told the templar as he started to pray that he was a delusional fool, and that there was no such thing as the maker, but there were def such things as demons.

 

demons do alot of trash talking, tho. so you gotta take that with a grain of salt. and in an interview w/Gaider a while back he mentioned that spirits and demons were not the same things, "no matter what merrill may try and tell you".

 

so, if perchance the story is not true, then that's almost more alarming. cuz then where did the demons come from. (unless we "created" them). so, the spirits may be the ones that are the First Children" for real. and the demons?

 

does anyone know where this story of the first children becoming demons came from? for that matter all of the origin stories? Andraste didn't talk abt that did she? Was this from Andraste or was it added in later?

[rapscallioness]

oh, man, i'm suddenly exhausted. must sleep.

[Galagraphia]

I think Justice (?) said that spirits do not know if the Maker exists, some believe it, and some don't. And I guess that means that spirits/demons are not eternal, and if some of them sang at the Golden City, they are not around anymore to tell others about it. The existence of the Maker is not a fact, and I don't think we will ever find the truth about it, because David Gaider said many times that this is how they wanted the concept of faith in Thedas to work. But there are interesting things about the Fade. Chantry teaches it should be full of dead people, but it's only filled with demons and spirits. So either the Chant is wrong, or demons and spirits are the souls of people who died, and perhaps the death transforms them like that. I think the only time we met a dead person in the Fade was the first Dragon Age comic, where Gleam is being watched and guided by the ghost of her mother. And the funny thing is that this woman, Veness, changes her name into Venom after death, and that correlates with the circumstances of her death - she was betrayed and killed by the man she loved. So perhaps it's possible she may turn into a demon of rage or vengeance eventually.

[LolaLei]

Weird, I was just watching X-Files last night!

[JediBeagle]

Good morning to all! Anyone in the mood for some Cullenston? (I'm looking at you Cachi vas BoBinks! )
 

[Lione95]

i still wonder if the Guardian may be the one that pushes us into the Fade....

 

I actually love this idea, and not just because I loved that character....maybe a little, but it would make such a good cut-scene if he was just saying that the Inquisitor is the only one who can save Thedas (and some other stuff to which my Quizzy will be like "Wait wait wait....what?!").  If we see that dude again I will sqee so hard   

[The Elder King]

I'm going to see X-Men the next week. I didn't like much the previous ones (expecially the third), but this seems different.
On the romance discussion of some pages ago, I want to point out that when Gaider said that the romance content won't be any more or less than the previous games it might be based on pre-time extension. We know that there are more LI, so the content should be obviously bigger regardless i the romances will be deeper or not than the past.
It's possible that the time extension lead to the different sexualities approach, and that before they planned only 4 bisexual/playersexual LI.

[JediBeagle]

I'm going to see X-Men the next week. I didn't like much the previous ones (expecially the third), but this seems different.
On the romance discussion of some pages ago, I want to point out that when Gaider said that the romance content won't be any more or less than the previous games it might be based on pre-time extension. We know that there are more LI, so the content should be obviously bigger regardless i the romances will be deeper or not than the past.
It's possible that the time extension lead to the different sexualities approach, and that before they planned only 4 bisexual/playersexual LI.

Have they told us how many LIs we are getting? How did I miss this

[Panda]

Have they told us how many LIs we are getting? How did I miss this

 

I don't think there has been info about number of them but only two are revealed so far and there surely is going to be more. Since devs announced that there is going to be different sexualities most popular quess is 6 LI's, two heteros, two gays and two bi's to make it fair for everyone. 6 would be nice in my opinion too

[Potato Cat]

Have they told us how many LIs we are getting? How did I miss this

Most are assuming 2/2/2 split in terms of LI sexualities since the confirmation against playersexuality and David Gaider's dislike for the way Origins handled it where some had less choices than others.

[The Elder King]

Have they told us how many LIs we are getting? How did I miss this

The said that even with this system people will still have choices. Plus, they confirmed there'll be heterosexual, homosexual and bisexual LI. That means there'll be at least six of them.

[meanieweenie]

So another random discovery. In my current obsession with the fancy timeline on the DA Web site (and the errors therein), I noted that this pic -- which I've long suggested is the White Spire -- is the image used for all the White Spire events  on the timeline. Heh heh. 
 
Asunder spoiler

Spoiler

 

I know where I've seen this building before now...

Spoiler

It's the Daily Planet! Just stick a globe on top... 

[R2s Muse]

Wait, what? R2, they modified Asunder's timeline?

I said I was done... altho today *is* another day. Ahem. I'll just quote what I said to Gala, adding that this was fixed in WoT. 

In tracking every date mention with annoying detail, I think the only things that were wrong were the (multiple!) mentions of Anders doing  his thing in Kirkwall "a year ago." Every other date syncs with it being around 9:40.

 
 

I think that maybe David Gaider wrote the book while DAII was still in development, and Anders was supposed to blow up Elthina in 9:39, and then Asunder was supposed to happen, meanwhile Cass went to Kirkwall to find the Champion. But then someone decided, "Hey, let's make a comic with characters everyone loves? Move Anders' thing to the year 37 to make room for Varric adventures." And they did so, but forgot to fix Asunder.

This is also my thought. This fits with the similar problems with the timeline in DotS and the fact that outside of the initial DA2 marketing, there's very little reference anywhere else about the ten year timeline placing the Varric interrogation three years after Anders-Chantry conflict.
 

You know, after I discovered why the Maker turned his back on the spirits, I realized that he was a very immature and irresponsible god, who loves to blame others for his mistakes. You see, according to the Chant, he created spirits with the ability to create stuff, but apparently forgot to give them a passion for it, or the imagination. So instead of creating things, they gathered around him, singing along with the Fade music (probably hint on the lyrium here). And then the Maker threw a tantrum: "HOW DARE YOU BE SO BORING? I've made you to amuse me, because I'm bored, and although I'm the one who forgot to give you imagination, I'm totally going to blame you for being lazy asses! Screw you, I'll make myself children 2.0 instead of patching you to 1.01." And so he made mortals. With their souls apparently made of Fade stuff, they had a burning passion to do something, ambitions, and all that, so they got creative, and spirits saw what they were doing when mortals were coming back to Fade in their dreams, and started recreating these things too.
Resume: Maker is the worst father you can imagine, and I have no idea why people embrace Andraste's teachings, and try to please that pouty little god. Basically the entire religion is based on making people feel guilty.

This is also my feeling on the Maker's First Children, poor things. I think they're right to feel miffed, if that's really the story of their creation.

Whoever created them, they do seem to *want* to come to the real world to experience what they've been missing out on. If they could all suddenly step through into our world, I keep wondering if they want to go walk around on their own or if they'd all hitch a ride in whatever human they find just to get what they think they deserve in a small-minded, jealous second child approach. (thinking green-faced Zerlina-style envy from Once Upon a Time)

[Adela]

Hey quick question... did they ever mentioned at what time is E3 gonna broadcast the show? I need to know if tis gonna be late at night my time or if its gonna be early in the morning so I know weather or not I should take a day off again

[R2s Muse]

Hey quick question... did they ever mentioned at what time is E3 gonna broadcast the show? I need to know if tis gonna be late at night my time or if its gonna be early in the morning so I know weather or not I should take a day off again

EA press conf on Jun 9 at 12pm PDT.

http://www.ign.com/w...ess_Conferences

[Adela]

EA press conf on Jun 9 at 12pm PDT.

http://www.ign.com/w...ess_Conferences

sweet, ty, looks like i might be home during that time

[berelinde]

yep, Galagraphia. that story did make me feel sorry for them cuz it was just wrong.  i mean, if the story is true. i remember in dao during the blind templar in the alienage quest, one demon told the templar as he started to pray that he was a delusional fool, and that there was no such thing as the maker, but there were def such things as demons.

 

demons do alot of trash talking, tho. so you gotta take that with a grain of salt. and in an interview w/Gaider a while back he mentioned that spirits and demons were not the same things, "no matter what merrill may try and tell you".

 

so, if perchance the story is not true, then that's almost more alarming. cuz then where did the demons come from. (unless we "created" them). so, the spirits may be the ones that are the First Children" for real. and the demons?

 

does anyone know where this story of the first children becoming demons came from? for that matter all of the origin stories? Andraste didn't talk abt that did she? Was this from Andraste or was it added in later?

This was posted ages ago, but a girl's gotta sleep.

 

"Unless we created them." 

 

You know, I've never thought of that. If a person subscribes to the belief that the Maker created mortals because spirits lack the drive to create... we must have created demons while dreaming in the Fade. Because spirits cannot change. Change requires ambition, the desire to become something else, and the ability to imagine the end result. 

 

But then again... Justice. Justice *did* change while he was reanimating Cristoff. Cristoff's memories sparked a desire in him to experience the mortal world. He began to envy mortal relationships. Gee, where have we heard that before?

[Galagraphia]

Whoever created them, they do seem to *want* to come to the real world to experience what they've been missing out on. If they could all suddenly step through into our world, I keep wondering if they want to go walk around on their own or if they'd all hitch a ride in whatever human they find just to get what they think they deserve in a small-minded, jealous second child approach. (thinking green-faced Zerlina-style envy from Once Upon a Time)

Now this explains why the Fade is green - it's green with envy!

[R2s Muse]

This was posted ages ago, but a girl's gotta sleep.
 
"Unless we created them." 
 
You know, I've never thought of that. If a person subscribes to the belief that the Maker created mortals because spirits lack the drive to create... we must have created demons while dreaming in the Fade. Because spirits cannot change. Change requires ambition, the desire to become something else, and the ability to imagine the end result. 
 
But then again... Justice. Justice *did* change while he was reanimating Cristoff. Cristoff's memories sparked a desire in him to experience the mortal world. He began to envy mortal relationships. Gee, where have we heard that before?

I know. This is a *veeery* intriguing idea. Again, tho, if the Chant is wrong, then maybe it's also wrong about the spirits being unchanging? Maybe it's just its own plane of existence, independent of anything we do...?

[Panda]

This was posted ages ago, but a girl's gotta sleep.

 

"Unless we created them." 

 

You know, I've never thought of that. If a person subscribes to the belief that the Maker created mortals because spirits lack the drive to create... we must have created demons while dreaming in the Fade. Because spirits cannot change. Change requires ambition, the desire to become something else, and the ability to imagine the end result. 

 

But then again... Justice. Justice *did* change while he was reanimating Cristoff. Cristoff's memories sparked a desire in him to experience the mortal world. He began to envy mortal relationships. Gee, where have we heard that before?

 

I have image that demons are corrupted spirits. I think some part in game was implied that when the Maker turned his eyes on mortals and neglected spirits some of them got envious of humans and were corrupted because of that. But I.. don't have any idea if this is true and what part of game it even was XD

[Crunchycarp]

Speaking of demons and spirits, are there male desire demons? Lol random question

[JediBeagle]

Speaking of demons and spirits, are there male desire demons? Lol random question

There's Cullen

Do demons even have actual forms or do they only take a form when mortals are around? When no one is in the fade are demons/ spirits invisible?

[R2s Muse]

I have image that demons are corrupted spirits. I think some part in game was implied that when the Maker turned his eyes on mortals and neglected spirits some of them got envious of humans and were corrupted because of that. But I.. don't have any idea if this is true and what part of game it even was XD

The notion is talked about several times in the Chant. Which of course could also be propaganda.

The first of the Maker's children watched across the Veil
And grew jealous of the life
They could not feel, could not touch.
In blackest envy were the demons born.

-Erudition 2:1