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Hmm, that would be interesting! I mean, if mass death can rip the Fade, why not rip into your hand?  

 

Altho... uh oh, now you've done it. Now this whole hand thing is reminding me of the Evil Dead.

 

"My hand went bad. So I lopped it off at the wrist..."

 

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LOL THAT was a good horror movie.. sigh  sad they don't make movies like that anymore... :(


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I have an odd Dragon Age related question, but not Cullen related. I just don't know a better group to ask, to be honest. I have a scenario-If two people are at the "in each other's face" portion of an argument-You know, right before someone swings (*grin*). Say one of them is a mage, the other a fighter. 

Is it possible for the fighter to 1) know that the mage is gathering mana, and 2) Interrupt by jerking the mage's hand down to their side? Would it work if the warrior broke the mage's wrist?

 

I know that this thread has several people far more versed in mages than I am. :)

 

(also, just assume these are hypothetical questions? It's for science! ...well, writing. Same diff. ) :whistle: 


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I have an odd Dragon Age related question, but not Cullen related. I just don't know a better group to ask, to be honest. I have a scenario-If two people are at the "in each other's face" portion of an argument-You know, right before someone swings (*grin*). Say one of them is a mage, the other a fighter.

Is it possible for the fighter to 1) know that the mage is gathering mana, and 2) Interrupt by jerking the mage's hand down to their side? Would it work if the warrior broke the mage's wrist?

I know that this thread has several people far more versed in mages than I am. :)

(also, just assume these are hypothetical questions? It's for science! ...well, writing. Same diff. ) :whistle:

Ok, I am a lore junky, so I shall attempt to answer lol. First, no, a normal person would not know if a person is gathering mana, unless they had gathered enough so that it'd be visible to the naked eye. I believe a Templar could perhaps sense if a Mage was drawing in power. As to your second question, if a person could sufficiently break a mages concentration, then yes jerking their hand could be enough. It simply depends on the mage's ability to remain focused. Breaking their hand is the same thing. Provided they can remain focused through the pain, all a Mage would have to do is point and shoot.
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I have an odd Dragon Age related question, but not Cullen related. I just don't know a better group to ask, to be honest. I have a scenario-If two people are at the "in each other's face" portion of an argument-You know, right before someone swings (*grin*). Say one of them is a mage, the other a fighter. 

Is it possible for the fighter to 1) know that the mage is gathering mana, and 2) Interrupt by jerking the mage's hand down to their side? Would it work if the warrior broke the mage's wrist?
 
I know that this thread has several people far more versed in mages than I am. :)
 
(also, just assume these are hypothetical questions? It's for science! ...well, writing. Same diff. ) :whistle: 

It depends on the spell, I think. If a spell requires a long time to cast non/mages can stop them, I think.
Templars can prevent mages from casting spells just by touchign them though.

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In regards to those made Tranquil, I'm very scared of those who had legitimate reasons to be made Tranquil. They will have their powers back, and will no doubt be overly emotional and angry at what was done to them.

 

Well, if they were made Tranquil against their will or agreed to do so under duress or what have you, then I'm all for the righteous fury on their behalf.

 

If someone was truly dangerous, like serial killer dangerous, and had to be made Tranquil, then presumably they'll turn all evil immediately, making pacts with demons left and right lol so we'll just kill 'em.


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It depends on the spell, I think. If a spell requires a long time to cast non/mages can stop them, I think.
Templars can prevent mages from casting spells just by touchign them though.

Well, the Templar in question would still have to channel their power through their hand, but simply touching them would not be enough.

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I have an odd Dragon Age related question, but not Cullen related. I just don't know a better group to ask, to be honest. I have a scenario-If two people are at the "in each other's face" portion of an argument-You know, right before someone swings (*grin*). Say one of them is a mage, the other a fighter. 

Is it possible for the fighter to 1) know that the mage is gathering mana, and 2) Interrupt by jerking the mage's hand down to their side? Would it work if the warrior broke the mage's wrist?

 

What is mana?



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Well, if they were made Tranquil against their will or agreed to do so under duress or what have you, then I'm all for the righteous fury on their behalf.
 
If someone was truly dangerous, like serial killer dangerous, and had to be made Tranquil, then presumably they'll turn all evil immediately, making pacts with demons left and right lol so we'll just kill 'em.

Oh yeah, I was only referring to those bad ones, not those made Tranquil unjustly.

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What is mana?


The mage's pool of energy with which they cast spells. It's the blue meter in the game that you refill with lyrium potions so mages can continue to cast spells.
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I have an odd Dragon Age related question, but not Cullen related. I just don't know a better group to ask, to be honest. I have a scenario-If two people are at the "in each other's face" portion of an argument-You know, right before someone swings (*grin*). Say one of them is a mage, the other a fighter. 

Is it possible for the fighter to 1) know that the mage is gathering mana, and 2) Interrupt by jerking the mage's hand down to their side? Would it work if the warrior broke the mage's wrist?

 

I'm not an expert on mage lore by any stretch, but I'm going to guess I'm one of the people in the thread who has done more physical interventions than most? That being the case...

 

People almost always have at least one "tell" when they're becoming escalated. As that is happening, they are gathering energy - whether they're planning to use that energy to throw a punch or cast a spell, it would be the same principle. It's not so much that you would see something magical, as that you would see there's some sort of attack coming because people are rarely calm enough in an altercation to avoid giving any signs of escalation.

 

You absolutely can interrupt, but I would not recommend bringing one hand down to the person's side because they are probably just going to use their other hand, and by their side is not a secure position for the hand you're holding because there's too much freedom of movement. I would probably put the person in a basket hold at that point, but what happens next really depends on the context (i.e. are there weapons involved, are you trying not to injure the person, etc.)


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The mage's pool of energy with which they cast spells. It's the blue meter in the game that you refill with lyrium potions so mages can continue to cast spells.

 

Dang I don't play mages enough to remember this. I do know that I've never used a lyrium potion though. I only had to use stamina potions the one time I played on hard.



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Well, the Templar in question would still have to channel their power through their hand, but simply touching them would not be enough.


Yeah, I meant like that. It's still something non-templars can't do.
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What is mana?

Is that not what it's called? (Or did I just pull a random MMO reference out. /blush)



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Dang I don't play mages enough to remember this. I do know that I've never used a lyrium potion though. I only had to use stamina potions the one time I played on hard.


Lol, I pretty much play exclusively as a mage, so I know most magical lore by heart now.
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Thank you folks! This is one of the many reasons I love this place. :D 


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Is that not what it's called? (Or did I just pull a random MMO reference out. /blush)


Relax, dear. It's called mana lol
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Is that not what it's called? (Or did I just pull a random MMO reference out. /blush)

 

Always assume that when it comes to lore stuff I'm more ignorant than anyone :P 



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There was one scene in DA2 that made me wonder  about something, like when you go on the mission and find a letter from that read headed templar (I cant rember his name) and  there was a mage and a couple of  guys  who said " what if we cut her hands they cant do magic without her hands right" and then she says " you know nothing of magic" so that makes me wonder if even if you cut their hands would they still be able to do magic? or if they are an abomination it doesnt matter if you have hands or not



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There was one scene in DA2 that made me wonder  about something, like when you go on the mission and find a letter from that read headed templar (I cant rember his name) and  there was a mage and a couple of  guys  who said " what if we cut her hands they cant do magic without her hands right" and then she says " you know nothing of magic" so that makes me wonder if even if you cut their hands would they still be able to do magic? or if they are an abomination it doesnt matter if you have hands or not


In her case, I'm assuming you can probably cast without hands, provided she could remain focused through that pain (which I doubt she could).
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Thank you folks! This is one of the many reasons I love this place. :D

 

No problem! If you need any future advice about how to respond to physical altercations, I'm your girl. ;)

 

There was one scene in DA2 that made me wonder  about something, like when you go on the mission and find a letter from that read headed templar (I cant rember his name) and  there was a mage and a couple of  guys  who said " what if we cut her hands they cant do magic without her hands right" and then she says " you know nothing of magic" so that makes me wonder if even if you cut their hands would they still be able to do magic? or if they are an abomination it doesnt matter if you have hands or not

 

Yeah, I think the "can't cast without hands" thing is just a myth. If you'd just cut off any body part and the person was bleeding uncontrollably, they probably wouldn't be able to concentrate enough to cast, but if the person survived and healed I would think they'd still be able to do magic.


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There was one scene in DA2 that made me wonder about something, like when you go on the mission and find a letter from that read headed templar (I cant rember his name) and there was a mage and a couple of guys who said " what if we cut her hands they cant do magic without her hands right" and then she says " you know nothing of magic" so that makes me wonder if even if you cut their hands would they still be able to do magic? or if they are an abomination it doesnt matter if you have hands or not

I think that cutting hands might prevent a mage to cast spell. Normal mages aren't show casting them in other way, except with a staff. Abominations probably don't follow this rule.
Though I don't recall if it was ever stated how mage kids cast spells without wanting to, if they still use their hands or not. It might be that cutting hands prevent mages to cast spells just because they're not focused enough to cast them in that moment.
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No problem! If you need any future advice about how to respond to physical altercations, I'm your girl. ;)

 

I did just have to demonstrate a physical move on my husband and ask, "That's a headlock yes? Could a tall man drag a strong and fit woman away using one?"

 

He's very used to these sorts of questions. I made him demonstrate two handed sword uses when I was drawing the one Cullen art I've done haha. It's interesting at my house, generally. :)


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In her case, I'm assuming you can probably cast without hands, provided she could remain focused through that pain (which I doubt she could).

 

 

No problem! If you need any future advice about how to respond to physical altercations, I'm your girl. ;)

 

 

Yeah, I think the "can't cast without hands" thing is just a myth. If you'd just cut off any body part and the person was bleeding uncontrollably, they probably wouldn't be able to concentrate enough to cast, but if the person survived and healed I would think they'd still be able to do magic.

 

 

I think that cutting hands might prevent a mage to cast spell. Normal mages aren't show casting them in other way, except with a staff. Abominations probably don't follow this rule.
Though I don't recall if it was ever stated how mage kids cast spells without wanting to, if they still use their hands or not. It might be that cutting hands prevent mages to cast spells just because they're not focused enough to cast them in that moment.

one other thing tho regarding the whole "pain" deal, like for example mage Hawke if he is a blood mage he/she has a move that  stabs him/herself with the staff, and also drains a lot of health , and that thing looks like it hurts like a B!tch  so I guess my question is, even if someone do cuts the hands of the mage and even if the mage is in pain wouldn't they kind of trigger an un-voluntarily blood magic ability of sorts?



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one other thing tho regarding the whole "pain" deal, like for example mage Hawke if he is a blood mage he/she has a move that stabs him/herself with the staff, and also drains a lot of health , and that thing looks like it hurts like a B!tch so I guess my question is, even if someone do cuts the hands of the mage and even if the mage is in pain wouldn't they kind of trigger an un-voluntarily blood magic ability of sorts?

It's a possible outcome, Indeed. Anders mentioned that a mage can trigger blood magic by accident.
Though even with blood magic I think that focus is necessary to cast a spell, so losing a hand might still prevent an unexperienced (in BM) mage to cast a spell.
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I did just have to demonstrate a physical move on my husband and ask, "That's a headlock yes? Could a tall man drag a strong and fit woman away using one?"

 

He's very used to these sorts of questions. I made him demonstrate two handed sword uses when I was drawing the one Cullen art I've done haha. It's interesting at my house, generally. :)

 

If you were here, I would totally have demonstrated my point rather than just explaining it. ;)

 

(That can be dangerous, though. :P My mother wanted to know what a restraint was like so I said I was just going to do the motions and talk her through it. Unfortunately my instincts kicked in an I ended up actually restraining her. Thank goodness she's a good sport!)


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