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[Phate Phoenix]

I think folks should listen to the panel themselves and decide what they think it means. I frankly found it confusing once I heard it... and I think the examiner is just giving their own interpretation (which I personally disagree with). For my $0.02, my interpretation of Mike Laidlaw's comments is that the devs want to make sure you have connections with the companions. Those "connections" (his word) might be humorous (aka buddy buddy with Varric) or could be rivalmantic. I don't think he was talking about how these are the flavors of romance, but instead flavors of relationships with the companions.

Someone have the panel handy...?

 

GAH. I can't wait until they actually release the videos.

[turtlesam]

I'd have nothing against dealing with the possibilities of lyrium addiction, personally. I'm sure (if that's the direction they go with him) that it'll be handled with respect too seeing addiction is a real, serious issue, and it doesn't matter if it's over a fictional substance or a real life one.

 

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My only small issue with the addiction plot line is that it seems like it might cause a break in the flow of the story/seem detached from the story. We have all this magical crap going down, that I can think of better things for a story with Cullen (or any Templar, for that matter) to be focused on rather than lyrium addiction.

 

Just wondering, was it ever explained in the DA-verse why Alistair retains his templar abilities despite not being addicted to lyrium? I think Alistair brings it up in one of the DA Comics (I think it was The Silent Grove)...

 

Does one actually need lyrium to access templar abilities? 

[Shyviolet]

Just wondering, was it ever explained in the DA-verse why Alistair retains his templar abilities despite not being addicted to lyrium? I think Alistair brings it up in one of the DA Comics (I think it was The Silent Grove)...

 

Does one actually need lyrium to access templar abilities? 

 

I just assumed he was pinching it from Morrigan.

[neonmoth]

Buddy action movie kinda makes me think that Varric won't be romancable. He was the brosiest of bros in Dragon Age II.

That actually made me think that he might be romanceable

[R2s Muse]

Just wondering, was it ever explained in the DA-verse why Alistair retains his templar abilities despite not being addicted to lyrium? I think Alistair brings it up in one of the DA Comics (I think it was The Silent Grove)...

 

Does one actually need lyrium to access templar abilities? 

Yes, you do need lyrium to have access to templar abilities. DG has stated that without it,  you'll eventually lose the ability, and Alistair himself acknowledges in the new comics that he started taking lyrium again in order to use his templar skills. 

[Phate Phoenix]

Just wondering, was it ever explained in the DA-verse why Alistair retains his templar abilities despite not being addicted to lyrium? I think Alistair brings it up in one of the DA Comics (I think it was The Silent Grove)...

 

Does one actually need lyrium to access templar abilities? 

 

You do indeed need lyrium for templar abilities. You retain the abilities for a time, but they will fade eventually.

 

I am uncertain how Alistair was able to do any of his abilities, as he said he had not yet been given lyrium. Specified: In game.

 

EDIT: Wait, did Alistair lie about not taking lyrium in DAO?

Modifié par Phate Phoenix, 14 avril 2014 - 03:49 .

[Dirgegun]

Just wondering, was it ever explained in the DA-verse why Alistair retains his templar abilities despite not being addicted to lyrium? I think Alistair brings it up in one of the DA Comics (I think it was The Silent Grove)...

 

Does one actually need lyrium to access templar abilities? 

 

I haven't read the comics, so I can't tell you what lore might have been added there exactly. What I've heard, though, is that it's a matter of their abilities just slowly waning if they don't take lyrium?

 

Maybe someone here who has read the comics could help here?

 

Ninja'd by R2. 

[Potato Cat]

I'd have nothing against dealing with the possibilities of lyrium addiction, personally. I'm sure (if that's the direction they go with him) that it'll be handled with respect too seeing addiction is a real, serious issue, and it doesn't matter if it's over a fictional substance or a real life one.
 
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My only small issue with the addiction plot line is that it seems like it might cause a break in the flow of the story/seem detached from the story. We have all this magical crap going down, that I can think of better things for a story with Cullen (or any Templar, for that matter) to be focused on rather than lyrium addiction.

  

Or they could go the route of the previous two games and gloss over lyrium addiction. DG has stated that they could never fully implement it like it should happen in RL. That being said, we've also never had a templar in our party/NPCdom/keep/(bed).

I think at best, they could implement it as something exacerbating his PTSD, since a side effect of the lyrium makes templars more paranoid and worsens their nightmares.

[Potato Cat]

You do indeed need lyrium for templar abilities. You retain the abilities for a time, but they will fade eventually.
 
I am uncertain how Alistair was able to do any of his abilities, as he said he had not yet been given lyrium. Specified: In game.
 
EDIT: Wait, did Alistair lie about not taking lyrium in DAO?

I believe it was totally retconned. Alistair was never able to use the templar abilities, iirc.

[Phate Phoenix]

I believe it was totally retconned. Alistair was never able to use the templar abilities, iirc.

 

Oh. Alright. Huh.

[neonmoth]

I hope it's not as clear cut as that, otherwise a lot of my playthroughs are going to be romantic comedies because a lot of my planned characters are snarky devils. 

 

Saying that I don't feel Cullen is so painfully shy that he'll be going red and flailing a lot and being the 'comedy' pair. I see him as a lot more in control of his feelings/being able to handle that sort of thing? He sure didn't mind being all "what the hell ever" when the female mage could be all "I bet you wish you didn't say all that about me now" during the pink prison moment.

 

If he IS ridiculously shy I think I'll be noping out of that LI playthrough. Still love the character if he turns out like that, of course, just not my style of LI.

I can't see him as ridiculously shy though, since he never left that impression on me. Okay, I choose to ignore the fact that he runs away from a female mage in dao, I have this scene modded so I always forget about it :] Awkward yes, pathologically shy - no (where is Sten when you need him?). He seems too much in control and and assertive in da2, okay he has a moment with the young ladies but that does not come out as shy. At least in my understanding.

 

ToP in the linky form by talented Orisoni, cause it's pretty even though it cannot be reposted.

 

That's probably as far as shy Cullen goes for me, looking cute whilst blushed ;]

[Dirgegun]

I pretty much see it as any lore established in the first game is up for minor tweaks/us learning more about it and learning that what we were told wasn't 100% true, seeing, I believe, it wasn't originally planned that DA would turn into a series when they made the first game? I could be COMPLETELY wrong about that and misremembering, but I think I remember something being said about that?

[Chiantirose82]

I pretty much see it as any lore established in the first game is up for minor tweaks/us learning more about it and learning that what we were told wasn't 100% true, seeing, I believe, it wasn't originally planned that DA would turn into a series when they made the first game? I could be COMPLETELY wrong about that and misremembering, but I think I remember something being said about that?

 

I'm pretty sure it was said that they always had a "5 game plan" in their mind when they designed DA:O. I think it was in the GI videos

[neonmoth]

I'm sorry, did you say naked Cullen?

*wiping tears*

[R2s Muse]

"It's the kind of thing where we're always striving for connection.And the connection between your characters can sometime be, you know, affection, sometimes it's humor, you know the good buddy Varric kinda moments, and sometimes it's antipathy, right? You hate this guy, right? Our strongest characters I've always said are the ones that divide. well... there's Fenris in the audience. There's some people who absolutely looove Fenris. And there are others that dislike Fenris. 'Cause he's moody and wastes all that wine, man. So as a general approach we kinda make it part of the game. ..."

 

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[Dirgegun]

I can't see him as ridiculously shy though, since he never left that impression on me. Okay, I choose to ignore the fact that he runs away from a female mage in dao, I have this scene modded so I always forget about it :] Awkward yes, pathologically shy - no (where is Sten when you need him?). He seems too much in control and and assertive in da2, okay he has a moment with the young ladies but that does not come out as shy. At least in my understanding.

 

This is how I see it. I was just responding to others' who were speculating on his shyness level.

 

I don't even count him running from a female mage as true shyness rather than getting the hell out of dodge. Maybe it wasn't the smoothest way to get out of there, but I can't judge him for that. I felt creeped out to all hell when I saw the option to basically be all "Hey, we just properly spoke for the first time EVER and we don't really know each other, but let's screw."  

[Dirgegun]

I'm pretty sure it was said that they always had a "5 game plan" in their mind when they designed DA:O. I think it was in the GI videos

 

Ah, I remember that! Ignore what I just said, then.

[R2s Muse]

I believe it was totally retconned. Alistair was never able to use the templar abilities, iirc.

 

 

Oh. Alright. Huh.

I dunno if I'd call it retconned. I think he could use templar abilities in DA:O if you specc'd him that way. In order to ever learn the abilities in the first place he must have tried at least some lyrium, just not enough to be addicted presumably. But then... as a warrior in DA:O, you never had to take lyrium for them either. I think it's just gameplay trumping lore again. 

[berelinde]

My personal headcanon is that Alistair took lyrium when he was in training, but was unaware that he was doing so. IDK, maybe it was in the water. It's also possible that he took it, but not for long enough to develop an addiction. Now that he's taking it again, tho...

 

Regardless, Cullen has definitely been taking it long enough to be addicted. I'm wondering how they're going to handle that.

[R2s Muse]

I'm pretty sure it was said that they always had a "5 game plan" in their mind when they designed DA:O. I think it was in the GI videos

MLaw later clarified that he was handwaving with that one. There's no 5 game plan. 

[turtlesam]

Yes, you do need lyrium to have access to templar abilities. DG has stated that without it,  you'll eventually lose the ability, and Alistair himself acknowledges in the new comics that he started taking lyrium again in order to use his templar skills. 

 

I see. Thanks for clarifying! I remember that it was mentioned, but I couldn't quite remember the context.  

[Phate Phoenix]

I pretty much see it as any lore established in the first game is up for minor tweaks/us learning more about it and learning that what we were told wasn't 100% true, seeing, I believe, it wasn't originally planned that DA would turn into a series when they made the first game? I could be COMPLETELY wrong about that and misremembering, but I think I remember something being said about that?

 

Oh, I wasn't criticizing the choice to change the lore of Templars (I think it makes far more sense that Alistair was wrong/mistaken). I just was confused about how either Alistair or the Warden could use those abilities in-game. [WAVES HANDS] I'm not gonna think about it. Try. Try not to think about it.

 

 

I dunno if I'd call it retconned. I think he could use templar abilities in DA:O if you specc'd him that way. In order to ever learn the abilities in the first place he must have tried at least some lyrium, just not enough to be addicted presumably. But then... as a warrior in DA:O, you never had to take lyrium for them either. I think it's just gameplay trumping lore again. 

 

Except for that one templar (Ser Otto of DAO) who could sense you were a templar. BAH NOT THINKING ABOUT IT.

[Chiantirose82]

MLaw later clarified that he was handwaving with that one. There's no 5 game plan. 

 

Yes, but only because people made a stink and thought that DA will only have 5 games. DA was always meant to be a series, not a stand alone game.

[R2s Muse]

I see. Thanks for clarifying! I remember that it was mentioned, but I couldn't quite remember the context.

If you're curious, google "Thedas UK swooping is bad" and  you can see the DG interview where he talks about it.

[Dirgegun]

Oh, I wasn't criticizing the choice to change the lore of Templars (I think it makes far more sense that Alistair was wrong/mistaken). I just was confused about how either Alistair or the Warden could use those abilities in-game. [WAVES HANDS] I'm not gonna think about it. Try. Try not to think about it.

 

 

 

Except for that one templar (Ser Otto of DAO) who could sense you were a templar. BAH NOT THINKING ABOUT IT.

 

Nah, just think of it this way: either a Templar!warden slowly lost the Templar abilities or became addicted to lyrium. 

 

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Actually, mages can become addicted to lyrium too. Someone in Thedas needs to set up a support group.