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[R2s Muse]

 

See, it's the tagline that throws me off: "Patience is what you will learn with no city to distract or tempt you". What does that even mean? Is that a reference to the Seekers? If it is then why? They haven't been there in years. Or is it in reference to the Templars? It could even be a reference to Cullen since he served in the city of Kirkwall for years, thus the reference to the city being a distraction could be referring to Cullen's history there? And the temptation being... Lyrium/Red Lyrium? Revenge? Sex/Romance? The temptation of wanting a normal life? The art of not just charging into battle, trying to kill ALL the things and getting your arse handed to ya?

 

Your thoughts?

If you read the description of Therinfal Redoubt, it explains how the training grounds were put in the middle of no where so that that the Seekers focused on training. It's unclear why they would use present or future tense verbs to describe it since it also says Seekers stopped training there in 8:99 Blessed. This one is sufficiently confusing that I'm open to there being a miscommunication somewhere. 

[R2s Muse]

I would really love that actually, (though I doubt it). Suddenly, RTs are much more relatable and sympathetic, rather than just kinda whitewashed-crystallised-moustache-twirling bad guys. And that you can still find some common ground with the rebels too, because they too are no longer just evil for the sake of evil. Also, I'd suppose it explains why we haven't actually seen RTs actively hunting mages, just causing seemingly random acts of destruction. They're not the ultra-paranoid, firmly anti-mage kind of rebel Templar, but much moderate and unfortunate.
 

But also, we've been shown just one quest with Red Templars so far... which might just have been chosen to show acts of destruction in the conquering of Crestwood. I don't think we know what this group does yet. We've seen concept art of templars hunting apostates. We just don't know which kinds those were. 

[LolaLei]

Yeah, I think they'll have to explain this so we know who we're fighting at any given time. So far, the Red Templars we've seen look identical to the old ones, plus one red glowy necklace. Oh, and the words "red tempar" above their head. Unless they change things later, I would expect that most templars we'd encounter would end up looking the same so as not to confuse the player. Unless they want to confuse the player, which is another possibility. 

 

Back to Therinfal Redoubt and the templar banners, like I said yesterday, it looks like the new fortress exterior is similar or even identical to the one shown in the environment video with the Ferelden symbol out front [whereas it's slightly different from the Red Templar tent symbol at Empire duwhatever]. But both templar fortresses look like they're in current use, whereas the description and the first pic of Therinfall Redoubt look in disrepair with non-Andrastian symbols, including the Tevinter-looking symbol from the Fires Above map. From the description Seekers haven't trained there for over 40 years. So who's there now? 

 

See, I missed all the Therinfal Redoubt conversation yesterday cos I was doing the DnD/Podcast so I've only just started looking at it properly now. The picture from Twitter makes it look like a small town rather than some sort of fortress.

[LolaLei]

If you read the description of Therinfal Redoubt, it explains how the training grounds were put in the middle of no where so that that the Seekers focused on training. It's unclear why they would use present or future tense verbs to describe it since it also says Seekers stopped training there in 8:99 Blessed. This one is sufficiently confusing that I'm open to there being a miscommunication somewhere. 

 

Could be a hint that our Inquisitor could also use it as a training ground for the Inquisition if we want? Or that the Templars/Cullen's faction/whoever is also using it for the same purpose?

[R2s Muse]

See, I missed all the Therinfal Redoubt conversation yesterday cos I was doing the DnD/Podcast so I've only just started looking at it properly now. The picture from Twitter makes it look like a small town rather than some sort of fortress.

Well, if it's Therinfal Redoubt as they claim, then it's a fortress in Ferelden. Personally, tho, it also looks like a fortress to me, with it's castellated walls. It just also has a little camp out in front. But all the structures seem intact, whereas the first shot they showed of the interior had crumbly stones (and Tevinter dragon symbol). 

 

 

 

[The Elder King]

I'd love nothing more to see the Red templars being more than 'lulz evil' type of villains. I just don't have many hopes in that regards. The reason why RT aren't seen attacking mages is, in my opinion, not because they're moderates, but because the red lyrium makes them nuts, and that they're controlled by someone who couldn't care less about hunting mages (which at least makes me how odio that the templars in the mage-templar war aren't only crazies).
I'm Sorry if it seems I'm going against speculations. It's just how I think things are going.

[LolaLei]

Well, if it's Therinfal Redoubt as they claim, then it's a fortress in Ferelden. Personally, tho, it also looks like a fortress to me, with it's castellated walls. It just also has a little camp out in front. But all the structures seem intact, whereas the first shot they showed of the interior had crumbly stones (and Tevinter dragon symbol). 

 

*Snip*

 

 

 

 

I like all the eyes on the wall in that last one... kinda looks like they were trying to come up with a decent Seeker symbol and crossed out all the rubbish ones, LOL!

[Galagraphia]

Yeah, I think it could be any of those. Sadly, Cullen-centric doesn't mean he's necessarily coming with us. 

But what if he does? What if he's not a party member, but he runs afead of you, pointing the way and commenting on everything, like companions in DAII were doing when you just meet them. And what if in that case Cullen can have a party banter with people you take with you, and develop this we-shed-blood-together bond with you, and have epic cut scenes where he casually saves your life, and hey, accidental adrenaline flirting could happen too! I would squee so loudly, BioWare would hear me from Canada 

 

See, I missed all the Therinfal Redoubt conversation yesterday cos I was doing the DnD/Podcast so I've only just started looking at it properly now. The picture from Twitter makes it look like a small town rather than some sort of fortress.

I suggested yesterday, that the whole area was probably named after a redoubt which got famous after a big battle, but then the settlement or a monastery was built there and perserved the heroic name of that region.

Pictures I saw yesterday look like a monastery.

[R2s Muse]

Altho... heh, look what else I found. Looks like that IS Therinfal Redoubt. The screenshot on the web site (the one on the bottom) is called "TheKeep_WM_Web.jpg."

 

[LolaLei]

I'd love nothing more to see the Red templars being more than 'lulz evil' type of villains. I just don't have many hopes in that regards. The reason why RT aren't seen attacking mages is, in my opinion, not because they're moderates, but because the red lyrium makes them nuts, and that they're controlled by someone who couldn't care less about hunting mages (which at least makes me how odio that the templars in the mage-templar war aren't only crazies).
I'm Sorry if it seems I'm going against speculations. It's just how I think things are going.

 

The red templars were attacking a random village in the PAX Prime demo, so it sounds like they're either mad enough to attack anything/anyone or they're actively trying to make the Inquisition's job harder for whatever reason. 

 

I've had this image really dark, gruesome scene in my mind for sometime now that upon breaking into one of their fortresses we'd sneak through their halls and sleeping quarters etc and witness Red Templar soldiers in various stages of addiction, ranging from the still active fighty ones, to those who have lost their mind completely (ala Bartrand in DA2), and due to the red lyrium potency some of them would have begun to mutate also to varying degrees so we'd see some walking around with actual red lyrium crystals beginning to grow on them, some confined to their beds all twisted and disfigured, and then scattered around the place would be dead husk like corpses where the red lyrium has literally grown up through them and sucked the life out of them.

 

 

... Jesus, that's actually really f*cked up. I hope they add something like that!  

[R2s Muse]

Also, Lola, not sure if you also saw this.

 

 

From the Fires Above map markers:

[LolaLei]

Ooh, eagle-eyed R2! 

[LolaLei]

Also, Lola, not sure if you also saw this.

 

 

From the Fires Above map markers:

 

Interesting! Do we know what that pattern signifies?

[Galagraphia]

I'd love nothing more to see the Red templars being more than 'lulz evil' type of villains. I just don't have many hopes in that regards. The reason why RT aren't seen attacking mages is, in my opinion, not because they're moderates, but because the red lyrium makes them nuts, and that they're controlled by someone who couldn't care less about hunting mages (which at least makes me how odio that the templars in the mage-templar war aren't only crazies).
I'm Sorry if it seems I'm going against speculations. It's just how I think things are going.

I agree, I think RT will be completely nuts. In that (Pax?) demo I saw on youtube they acted more like abominations, they had some magical powers they used to burn down that village, which destruction made Varric so sad. Still, they were pretty well-organized, they had ships, they had some kind of smart strategic plan to take the Inquisition stronghold. So I think maybe they are crazy, and their personalities are gone, but they are controlled by something through the red lyrium, like the darkspawn are controlled by the archdemon.

[R2s Muse]

I'd love nothing more to see the Red templars being more than 'lulz evil' type of villains. I just don't have many hopes in that regards. The reason why RT aren't seen attacking mages is, in my opinion, not because they're moderates, but because the red lyrium makes them nuts, and that they're controlled by someone who couldn't care less about hunting mages (which at least makes me how odio that the templars in the mage-templar war aren't only crazies).
I'm Sorry if it seems I'm going against speculations. It's just how I think things are going.

This is also what I think. Seeing the Red Templars all actually sprouting red lyrium does not speak well to their sanity. 

[LolaLei]

It's been a long time now, but I could've sworn that when I watched the PAX Prime demo in London the Red Templar's had battle cries shouting about worshiping "him" "he" etc whilst they fought with our Inquisitor. Problem is, I can't recall if it was indeed the Red Templars or those other enemies towards the end where we captured the keep, lol.

[R2s Muse]

Interesting! Do we know what that pattern signifies?

No.

 

My only thought is that it includes the symbol for the Circle of Magi, but upside down, and dragons, which could suggest Tevinter.

 

 

 

The dragon heads on the side also are very similar to Orsino's staff, Staff of Violation.

 

[LolaLei]

No.

 

 

My only thought is that it includes the symbol for the Circle of Magi, but upside down, and dragons, which could suggest Tevinter.

 

 

For some reason to me it has a very Chantry-esc feel to it's design... could be anything though.

[R2s Muse]

It's been a long time now, but I could've sworn that when I watched the PAX Prime demo in London the Red Templar's had battle cries shouting about worshiping "him" "he" etc whilst they fought with our Inquisitor. Problem is, I can't recall if it was indeed the Red Templars or those other enemies towards the end where we captured the keep, lol.

If there is a Big Bad they're worshipping or serving, heh, what do you want to bet it's... 

 

TME spoilers

Spoiler

whoever Felassen is talking to at the end!

[Potato Cat]

For some reason to me it has a very Chantry-esc feel to it's design... could be anything though.

I agree. I think that statue of what I can only assume is Andraste at the back is quite telling. But it's a Chantry building, were we expecting any different?

[LolaLei]

If there is a Big Bad they're worshipping or serving, heh, what do you want to bet it's... 

 

TME spoilers

Spoiler

whoever Felassen is talking to at the end!

 

That wouldn't surprise me! That or maybe

Spoiler

Imshael.

 

 

Wasn't there a leak sometime ago that said the Red Templars were the ones trying to break into the golden/black city? Although that's likely incorrect, it could be that the Red Templars are aiding the "big bad" in breaking into the golden/black city by giving our Inquisitor hell and cultivating Red Lyrium to help him get in there?

[SnakeCode]

If there is a Big Bad they're worshipping or serving, heh, what do you want to bet it's... 

 

TME spoilers

Spoiler

whoever Felassen is talking to at the end!

For some reason I got the impression

Spoiler

that the person Felassan was talking to was a she.

[Potato Cat]

It's been a long time now, but I could've sworn that when I watched the PAX Prime demo in London the Red Templar's had battle cries shouting about worshiping "him" "he" etc whilst they fought with our Inquisitor. Problem is, I can't recall if it was indeed the Red Templars or those other enemies towards the end where we captured the keep, lol.

If there is a Big Bad they're worshipping or serving, heh, what do you want to bet it's...

TME spoilers

Spoiler

whoever Felassen is talking to at the end!

Unless both factions were screaming it, it was definitely the Venatori.

As for the spoilers...

Spoiler

Most assume he was talking to Fen'Harel, right? But why would a distinctly Tevinter faction be worshipping an elven deity?

[LolaLei]

Unless both factions were screaming it, it was definitely the Venatori.

 

It's been so long I can't remember what the Red Templars were shouting word from word. I remember that I mentally took a note of it... but now I've forgotten, LOL!

[Galagraphia]

I wonder, that if that redoubt place is where renegade templars (who didn't agree with Lambert)  keep the mages from a former Circle to protect them from the rebel templars (who were with Lambert), and the Circle-Targaryen thing is their new emblem or something? It doesn't seem impossible, after all, many templars believed that their duty was to keep mages safe. Including Cullen.

 

UPD: I think Red Templars didn't shout anything coherent.