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[Potato Cat]

Thanks for the good lucks, guys! I needed it. It did not go well, methinks.

I just hope the two female voices available for the lady Inquisitor don't grate on my nerves. I'm concerned that the British one might be too posh/snooty sounding, but I need to use the British voice for my first playthrough when I recreate myself to put into the game... the closest I can get to "me" the more my Inquisitor will behave like myself (so that I don't take the "easy" options) so that I can see how badly I'd f*ck up in that position (and bang Cullen).
 
I personally couldn't gel with female Hawke because to me she sounded very condescending .

  
Well it's either the posh, Southern accent or a really dodgy Cockney accent. That really seems to be it for the English accents in the DA'verse, (I'm surprised to hear any other accents in anything American, and LOVED hearing the Northerners in GoT actually be proper Northern). That's of the reasons I'm taking the American accent for my Dalish elf, even if neither accent really makes lore sense for one.

I will be so giddy if Gwendoline Christie does the fem!Brit voice, but I am not holding my breath.

Ever since I've started watching GoT, (so Saturday), I've become even more convinced she's Vivienne. Which is weird, I grant you, considering the is (the totally awesome, no matter what my Stark loving friend who's clearly watching a different show says) Brienne of Tarth and the total opposite of my Vivienne, but the voice is just really similar. And Patrick Weekes did say 'Horns Up' to her involvement. And who other than a lady qunari could that point to? Other than Patrick just trying to make it happen, even though it's not going to happen. And just thinking she's voiced by Brienne, just makes me want to romance her more, so it's like I'm romancing them both at the same time. Because that's totally how it works.

[thats1evildude]

Well, desire demons have horns.

[Potato Cat]

Well, desire demons have horns.

Oh yeah. We better be able to sleep with the demon! And she better be one of the most important demons!

[Lorien19]

Well, desire demons have horns.

True,though I'd prefer her to be some badass qunari to be honest. 

[berelinde]

Oh yeah. We better be able to sleep with the demon! And she better be one of the most important demons!

Nah, that isn't creepy at all, given the context... 

 

But yeah, Gwendoline Christie's voice is too good to waste on incidental characters.

[SnakeCode]

There are some northeners in DA2. The refugees trying to get into Kirkwall near the beginning of the game. You end up killing them all.

[CuriousArtemis]

"The romances are more complex both in type of romances going forward and how you go through that romance. The different types of sexual orientation of the different kinds of characters around you is also more complex than in previous games. I think there's going to be a lot more realistic... realistic... you know what I mean -- anyway, more engaging and more involved than in previous games. That's definitely the goal, and we are definitely going to go out there with some characters just being one sexual orientation. And that previously wasn't the case. The real world reflects that so we're going to make a game that reflects that as well. But the details of how the mechanics and how those relationships work Mike Laidlaw or David Gaider would know more."

 

Yeah, I think this was discussed, and Cam got a lot of flak elsewhere on the forum for seemingly suggesting that bisexual characters aren't "realistic." I don't think the flak was deserved, but he does seem confused about what he's trying to say. I'm still not sure what he was trying to say. Plus he isn't even right... "We are ... going ... out there with some characters just being one sexual orientation. And that previously wasn't the case." Alistair, Morrigan, Sebastian, anyone? 

 

I hate the whole "The real world reflects that so we're going to make a game that reflects that as well." They are keen to deny us choice for the sake of realism. Where else do they do this in the game?? And is he really saying it's THAT impossible for a person to know four bisexual people in one's circle of friends? Where are all the gay and lesbian people in the rest of Thedas? If you want "realism," then why not "inject" that realism into the surrounding world. 

 

The decision itself doesn't anger me; it's the reason given. "Realism" to me is not a good reason (and many people were insulted by it). Until reading this article, I had thought they'd done it to show respect to gay and lesbian players, to finally allow them to romance someone who was THEIR orientation, and to make them feel as if the game catered to them as much as it did to straight people. If that's the reason, they should say so, because it's a noble one. But "to make things more realistic" is just a bad, bad reason.

[CuriousArtemis]

I chose Yuri Lowenthal for one of my male elves because I thought it would be awesome. But then

 

CAN I GET YOU A LADDER SO YOU CAN GET OFF MY BACK

CAN I GET YOU A LADDER SO YOU CAN GET OFF MY BACK

CAN I GET YOU A LADDER SO YOU CAN GET OFF MY BACK

CAN I GET YOU A LADDER SO YOU CAN GET OFF MY BACK

CAN I GET YOU A LADDER SO YOU CAN GET OFF MY BACK

CAN I GET YOU A LADDER SO YOU CAN GET OFF MY BACK

CAN I GET YOU A LADDER SO YOU CAN GET OFF MY BACK

CAN I GET YOU A LADDER SO YOU CAN GET OFF MY BACK

CAN I GET YOU A LADDER SO YOU CAN GET OFF MY BACK

 

This is the voice I used for my two elven Wardens. I loved it! He just sounds so petulant and angry. Adorbs

[Char]

Yeah, I think this was discussed, and Cam got a lot of flak elsewhere on the forum for seemingly suggesting that bisexual characters aren't "realistic." I don't think the flak was deserved, but he does seem confused about what he's trying to say. I'm still not sure what he was trying to say. Plus he isn't even right... "We are ... going ... out there with some characters just being one sexual orientation. And that previously wasn't the case." Alistair, Morrigan, Sebastian, anyone? 
 
I hate the whole "The real world reflects that so we're going to make a game that reflects that as well." They are keen to deny us choice for the sake of realism. Where else do they do this in the game?? And is he really saying it's THAT impossible for a person to know four bisexual people in one's circle of friends? Where are all the gay and lesbian people in the rest of Thedas? If you want "realism," then why not "inject" that realism into the surrounding world. 
 
The decision itself doesn't anger me; it's the reason given. "Realism" to me is not a good reason (and many people were insulted by it). Until reading this article, I had thought they'd done it to show respect to gay and lesbian players, to finally allow them to romance someone who was THEIR orientation, and to make them feel as if the game catered to them as much as it did to straight people. If that's the reason, they should say so, because it's a noble one. But "to make things more realistic" is just a bad, bad reason.

I do think it was a poor choice of words, and it is an issue that could certainly have been handled with more sensitivity, particularly with the implied assumption that bisexual people are not realistic. I do think that bioware have taken diversity to heart though, and I dont think any disrespect was intended

[CuriousArtemis]

I think one of the Devs gave him the nickname, I'm not so sure how it came about. MD calls him Ser Beefcakes. 

 

It was a post by Mary Kirby, I think. There was some goofy thread about how the Grey Warden had to be Duncan or Greagoir or whomever, and she posted the pictures of his armor demonstration and pointed out how he has griffon symbols on his knees and feathers coming out of his helmet, and thus MUST BE Merrill's imaginary pet griffon, Feathers lol

[CuriousArtemis]

Um because Slave Fenris is still alive? :/

I find that game not be a credible source of lore.

 

Yeah, DG said the people who make the game are not associated with BW whatsoever.

[Galagraphia]

Thought this was freakin' hilarious

What are they doing?
I feel like Merrill.

[Char]

What are they doing?
I feel like Merrill.

I thought their chest hair had been velcroed together thats how it looks to me

EDIT: I'm not convinced velcroed is a word. If it isn't, it should be

[CuriousArtemis]

I do think it was a poor choice of words, and it is an issue that could certainly have been handled with more sensitivity, particularly with the implied assumption that bisexual people are not realistic. I do think that bioware have taken diversity to heart though, and I dont think any disrespect was intended

 

No, BioWare, well, excluding those nasty Austin people, but most of BioWare are amazing people, socially progressive and anxious to represent their players, regardless of gender, sexuality, and race. I just think this was a misstep. 

[Owlfruit Potion]

Re: Aimo thing, her tumblr gives more context.

 

 

EDIT: dangit ToP'd on something weird again?? here's a lovely surana + cullen, new on the k-c-c tumblr tag from http://ryuichifoxe.tumblr.com/

[The Elder King]

No, BioWare, well, excluding those nasty Austin people, but most of BioWare are amazing people, socially progressive and anxious to represent their players, regardless of gender, sexuality, and race. I just think this was a misstep.

That interview, or the approach?

[CuriousArtemis]

That interview, or the approach?

 

Definitely the interview, but if that truly is the reason behind their decision, then yeah, the whole thing.

[Hellion Rex]

I do think it was a poor choice of words, and it is an issue that could certainly have been handled with more sensitivity, particularly with the implied assumption that bisexual people are not realistic. I do think that bioware have taken diversity to heart though, and I dont think any disrespect was intended

David Gaider has since blown the realism argument straight to hell within the context of romances since Cam's announcement. Even though Cam's wording left a little to be desired, I understood what he was saying easily enough.

[The Elder King]

Definitely the interview, but if that truly is the reason behind their decision, then yeah, the whole thing.

I don't think that's was the reason. As elu said Gaider adressed the realism theory.

[phyreblade74]

Yeah, I think this was discussed, and Cam got a lot of flak elsewhere on the forum for seemingly suggesting that bisexual characters aren't "realistic." I don't think the flak was deserved, but he does seem confused about what he's trying to say. I'm still not sure what he was trying to say. Plus he isn't even right... "We are ... going ... out there with some characters just being one sexual orientation. And that previously wasn't the case." Alistair, Morrigan, Sebastian, anyone? 

 

I hate the whole "The real world reflects that so we're going to make a game that reflects that as well." They are keen to deny us choice for the sake of realism. Where else do they do this in the game?? And is he really saying it's THAT impossible for a person to know four bisexual people in one's circle of friends? Where are all the gay and lesbian people in the rest of Thedas? If you want "realism," then why not "inject" that realism into the surrounding world. 

 

The decision itself doesn't anger me; it's the reason given. "Realism" to me is not a good reason (and many people were insulted by it). Until reading this article, I had thought they'd done it to show respect to gay and lesbian players, to finally allow them to romance someone who was THEIR orientation, and to make them feel as if the game catered to them as much as it did to straight people. If that's the reason, they should say so, because it's a noble one. But "to make things more realistic" is just a bad, bad reason.

 

I liked the way it was in Origins.  You had options but they were clearly distinct from each other.  There were strictly hetero options, a bisexual option, and a lesbian option.  When they changed it, in DA2, I wasn't offended and I played as I was inclined to play without any worry or problem.

 

But it simply never made sense to me, either.  Everyone can go either way, really?  It made the characters feel far more doll-like and superficial, like something false or strange up against my understanding of real social interaction between people.  Even though I didn't necessarily drop my toe in those waters or bother after those that did, mind you.  It's only that not everyone I meet is going to be inclined either way -- you are or you're not or you're somewhere in between, and it's okay to me no matter which way you swing.  But figure the person out, else you're left feeling they're more illusory, rather than a true character with some defined personality.

 

And I think that's what Bioware is trying to create, is all.  Doesn't mean you can't admire the turn of someone's tail, either.  I always thought Morrigan was a real attractive character, even if I couldn't wrap my head around some romance of her.  But the fact she simply wouldn't look twice at my Warden like that didn't bother me in the slightest.  I respected the character's personality in that regard.

[BioFan (Official)]

I'm not happy with the "realism" TBH. It's totally ok with situations like Aveline, she went off and had her own relationship not with the PC.

 

But for romancable characters, I feel that their sexuality should be open to the player. It can differ depending on their personality though. Like in the case of romancing Isabella, her sexuality and expression of such was a part of her personality. Merrill on the othe rhand, not so much. They could take a chatracter who doesn't openly express their sexuality outside of the romance diologe, like Merrill, and make it "more realistic" in a way that suits the player. Like making a female character Homosexual if romanced by a female PC, or Heterosexual if romanced by a male PC (or bisexual if their personality calls for it). Same goes for Males. 

 

 

I feel that would accomplish the "realism" they are searching for, but would keep the players options open. 

[BioFan (Official)]

David Gaider has since blown the realism argument straight to hell within the context of romances since Cam's announcement. Even though Cam's wording left a little to be desired, I understood what he was saying easily enough.

 

 

Link?

[Hellion Rex]

Link?

Right here

 

http://dgaider.tumbl...ng-dai-romances

[Galagraphia]

Important question, I need your help:
How do you think Cullen would call somebody's gluteus maximus? Or his own?

[The Elder King]

@phyreblade74: DAO didn't have a stictly lesbian option, or a strictly gay options. There were only one choice for them, while we got two. If I have to choose between DAO and DA2, I'll choose the latter everytime.