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[ChachiBobinks]

Aww, they like Cullen

KINDA.

[TreeHuggerHannah]

And here he is agreeing with the Tranquil Solution.

 

If that's what you're getting out of the video you posted, I don't think you're actually listening to what Cullen is saying - I think you've made up your mind already. Which is entirely your right, but which makes any discussion a waste of time.

[Riosred2]

@Lorien19 I guess we will find out....

[thetinyevil]

What could they do? 

Something besides ignoring her. Mages have had to deal with demons in their sleep for years and not all of them ask to be made tranquil. Like I said both parties in that screwed up. They should have do something to help her other then to make her in to a soulless husk.

[Lorien19]

The idea of the naked lady staff being mass produced... I find funny. 

You know what I find even funnier,it's description! 

 

"and this deceptively simple staff shows the breadth of his knowledge. More an ongoing project than a specialist's tool, it is the handiwork of someone comfortable with the life he must live, for as long as he was granted the opportunity to live it."
 

[TreeHuggerHannah]

They should have do something to help her other then to make her in to a soulless husk.

 

Like what?

 

I don't disagree in theory, just wondering in practical terms.

[Crunchycarp]

Something besides ignoring her. Mages have had to deal with demons in their sleep for years and not all of them ask to be made tranquil. Like I said both parties in that screwed up. They should have do something to help her other then to make her in to a soulless husk.

I wish there was a way to block the whisper of demons and still be able to cast magic and have emotions. *sigh* Pls BioWare.

[ChachiBobinks]

So you came to share your pretty aggressive opinion (The punching and kicking is pretty aggressive, even you have to admit), rather than have a give and take discussion. That's cool, too, I suppose, even though you have to know we're going to disagree with your assessment.

 

You know how the saying goes. "If you can't say something nice, go troll on the internet."

 

I think it's cool that people want explanations in regards to our love for Cullen. I wonder why people like Merrill, so it's fair game. However, this isn't the "Let's Go Bother the Cullenites and Try to Pick Fights Thread." Ask us for our opinions, ask your questions, and be respectful. We do the same in return. There's no reason to be aggressive. This is just the internet and nothing we discuss here is life or death for any of the parties involved.

[HurricaneGinger]

Something besides ignoring her. Mages have had to deal with demons in their sleep for years and not all of them ask to be made tranquil. Like I said both parties in that screwed up. They should have do something to help her other then to make her in to a soulless husk.

 

I'll repeat the question: what could they do? If a mage cannot get a proper rest because of demons constantly whispering and never stopping, then she will not have the strength to continue resisting them. Exhaustion will get the better of her, and the mental turmoil will reach a peak. There is a VERY good chance that she would have been possessed, thus making her a danger to herself and to others. 

 

Cullen: "The Tranquil Ritual was created as a mercy so that mages need not be killed out of hand for a threat they might pose."

 

Cullen sees the solution as a mercy, not as a way to make a mage suffer like Alrik did. Alrik was using the solution left and right, Cullen saw it as a final resort. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Something besides ignoring her. Mages have had to deal with demons in their sleep for years and not all of them ask to be made tranquil. Like I said both parties in that screwed up. They should have do something to help her other then to make her in to a soulless husk.

Orana was brought to the Circle of Magi in Kirkwall at the age of five. Her mentors had high hopes for the child, seeing her talent for magic. Unfortunately, the poor child was plagued by nightmares that only worsened after her move to the Gallows.

Orana became afraid of falling asleep. She would lie stiffly in bed, her eyes wide open. Without sleep, she grew thin and wan, and her studies began to suffer.

Orana began to experience waking dreams. Shadows flitted in corners, and she swore she heard voices calling her name. She knew demonscould take advantage of her vulnerable state, and at the tender age of eleven, she requested to be made Tranquil. The first enchantercomplied.

With her connection to the Fade severed, Orana was again able to sleep. Her health returned, and she was at peace with her decision. She continued her education at the Circle and excelled in enchanting and runecrafting.

Orana saw the Rite of Tranquility as a gift, although many mocked her for this view. Later in life, she created an amulet to remind her of the Rite. She named it Tranquility. The Tranquility Amulet soothes the mind and imparts a general sense of well-being to its wearer.

—From Codex entry: Tranquility

 

They did not ignore her. She talked to the First Enchanter. And she was affected to the point she couldn't sleep, and even suffered from demons when she was awake because of it. Most mages do not experience that. They had two options for her: Tranquility or leave her be until she became an abomination and kill her. 

[VampOrchid]

ok, in that vid he doesn't say he agrees with it. First he says that there was talk of it, but it never went any further then that. Also, you may note he never said that he was involved in said talk. Then when asked to describe what is being made Tranquil, he does. He doesn't say he approves of it, but does go on to say it's basically better then killing a mage.

 

He never flat out says if he agrees with it or not. Just that it's better then killing a mage. However a mage looks at is not the question. Mages can look at it as a punishment worse then death. But not being a mage, how can someone know better. It's like having a pet you love, that's ill. Would you rather let it suffer or put it down. Same crap different pile.

 

All he's saying, is that for the mages that are willingly conspiring with demons and blood magic, that being made tranquil is better then killing them. So he doesn't like the death penalty, so sue him...

[Jean]

You know what I find even funnier,it's description! 

 

"and this deceptively simple staff shows the breadth of his knowledge. More an ongoing project than a specialist's tool, it is the handiwork of someone comfortable with the life he must live, for as long as he was granted the opportunity to live it."
 

... 

 

What the hell. 

[berelinde]

I'll repeat the question: what could they do? If a mage cannot get a proper rest because of demons constantly whispering and never stopping, then she will not have the strength to continue resisting them. Exhaustion will get the better of her, and the mental turmoil will reach a peak. There is a VERY good chance that she would have been possessed, thus making her a danger to herself and to others. 

 

Cullen: "The Tranquil Ritual was created as a mercy so that mages need not be killed out of hand for a threat they might pose."

 

Cullen sees the solution as a mercy, not as a way to make a mage suffer like Alrik did. Alrik was using the solution left and right, Cullen saw it as a final resort. 

As someone who has suffered from insomnia and worse, sleep paralysis, for decades, I can easily understand how chronic sleep deprivation would cause one to long for any solution where nightmares were no longer possible.

 

Actually, I imagine Cullen himself might feel the same way. I'm sure there are nights he would be grateful at the prospect of dreamless rest.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The idea of the naked lady staff being mass produced... I find funny. 

Well, Orlais does have the nipple shoulder armor for their knights in MotA. 

[thetinyevil]

ok, in that vid he doesn't say he agrees with it. First he says that there was talk of it, but it never went any further then that. Also, you may note he never said that he was involved in said talk. Then when asked to describe what is being made Tranquil, he does. He doesn't say he approves of it, but does go on to say it's basically better then killing a mage.

 

He never flat out says if he agrees with it or not. Just that it's better then killing a mage. However a mage looks at is not the question. Mages can look at it as a punishment worse then death. But not being a mage, how can someone know better. It's like having a pet you love, that's ill. Would you rather let it suffer or put it down. Same crap different pile.

 

All he's saying, is that for the mages that are willingly conspiring with demons and blood magic, that being made tranquil is better then killing them. So he doesn't like the death penalty, so sue him...

So making a mage tranquil is like putting down a sick pet? 

[HurricaneGinger]

As someone who has suffered from insomnia and worse, sleep paralysis, for decades, I can easily understand how chronic sleep deprivation would cause one to long for any solution where nightmares were no longer possible.

 

Actually, I imagine Cullen himself might feel the same way. I'm sure there are nights he would be grateful at the prospect of dreamless rest.

 

*wince* Sleep paralysis is no fun. I'm sorry.

 

 

So making a mage tranquil is like putting down a sick pet? 

 

 

If the pet is rabid or severely ill, then yes. Sometimes that is the better mercy than making them suffer.

[BioFan (Official)]

Then let them troll!I want to see more baby animals!

 

 

Lol. I figured they would all just go away if they were met with a shirtless Cullen with a baby animal every time.
Passive agressive MASTERED

[berelinde]

Lol. I figured they would all just go away if they were met with a shirtless Cullen with a baby animal every time.
Passive agressive MASTERED

If I were met with a shirtless Cullen every time I trolled, I'm not sure I'd stop.

 

Mind you, it would mostly be due to my amusement at obvious photoshop, but hey! I'm not going to complain if there are pecs in the shot.

[Lieutenant Kurin]

As someone who has suffered from insomnia and worse, sleep paralysis, for decades, I can easily understand how chronic sleep deprivation would cause one to long for any solution where nightmares were no longer possible.

 

Actually, I imagine Cullen himself might feel the same way. I'm sure there are nights he would be grateful at the prospect of dreamless rest.

I agree, most Templars have a limited understanding of the Fade from what I can tell, and Cullen has serious PTSD from DA:O. I imagine the majority of younger Templars see being seperated from their dreams as nothing serious, and Cullen's probable nightmares about Uldred would be a pushing point to dreams are bad.

 

That being said, Circle Templars do see Tranquil mages all the time, and from their eeriness, it's hard for me to say that Cullen is totally unaware of the side effects. He probably selectively ignores them without even noticing it like most Templars.

 

Probably in moments of weakness he's all for the Tranquil solution, but I imagine the events of DA:II has probably changed that opinion.

[Lorien19]

It would seem we have a new hate thread...  
 

[Sister Goldring]

I guess the thing is, for me at least, I don't need to see Cullen as a supporter of 'Mage freedom' to find the character interesting. It doesn't seem peculiar to me that a man who has been a Templar his whole adult life would be supportive of his Order and much has happened over the games to give rise to the impression that the Mages will not be satisfied with Templar supervision. I like the character because he represents a reasonable man who supports the status quo. I am curious to see how his opinions have developed post DA2.

[BioFan (Official)]

Hey guys, I'm all for proving the troll wrong, which he is considering his proof isn't actually proof, and also scaring him off with shirtless cullen with baby animals, but this is gone on long enough. It's been several pages, I'm stepping in for an absent R2 here for a moment to tell you we should just start ignoring him. Arguing with him to this length will just invite more of his kind. 

 

 

Also remember Allan warned us about discussion of specific forum members in a negative fashion. 

[berelinde]

I agree, most Templars have a limited understanding of the Fade from what I can tell, and Cullen has serious PTSD from DA:O. I imagine the majority of younger Templars see being seperated from their dreams as nothing serious, and Cullen's probable nightmares about Uldred would be a pushing point to dreams are bad.

 

That being said, Circle Templars do see Tranquil mages all the time, and from their eeriness, it's hard for me to say that Cullen is totally unaware of the side effects. He probably selectively ignores them without even noticing it like most Templars.

 

Probably in moments of weakness he's all for the Tranquil solution, but I imagine the events of DA:II has probably changed that opinion.

Cullen has seen Tranquil, and he has observed that they are eternally serene, eternally uncaring about the world going BOOM! around them. I'm not convinced that he understands the full implications of that. After all, as far as I know, no one has ever performed the rite on a non-mage, so he would probably view it as something that happened exclusively to other people.

 

It's difficult to empathize when something would never, ever happen to you. I can't blame Cullen for that. I'm just wondering what will happen if he meets mages who were once Tranquil. How will *that* alter his perception?

[TreeHuggerHannah]

Hey guys, I'm all for proving the troll wrong, which he is considering his proof isn't actually proof, and also scaring him off with shirtless cullen with baby animals, but this is gone on long enough. It's been several pages, I'm stepping in for an absent R2 here for a moment to tell you we should just start ignoring him. Arguing with him to this length will just invite more of his kind. 

 

I think that regardless of the poster's intentions, some of the discussion about Cullen that has been spawned is actually pretty interesting and worthwhile.

[Jean]

I guess the thing is, for me at least, I don't need to see Cullen as a supporter of 'Mage freedom' to find the character interesting. It doesn't seem peculiar to me that a man who has been a Templar his whole adult life would be supportive of his Order and much has happened over the games to give rise to the impression that the Mages will not be satisfied with Templar supervision. I like the character because he represents a reasonable man who supports the status quo. I am curious to see how his opinions have developed post DA2.

Pretty much how I feel. 
 

I don't have to like and/or agree with every little thing a character does to like the character. 

 

e.g. Littlefinger from GoT is a deplorable guy that does deplorable things, but I can't help but the love the character.