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[TreeHuggerHannah]

On the subject of the romances...

 

I have know problem with them being preset to certain restrictions. I think it's more challenging and a bit more realistic, not to mention, forces you to go back and play as different characters, which is neat.

 

Realistic, what I mean by this is lets say, this chick totally digs this dude. But said dude isn't into girls. Happens in real life all the time and vise versa. So why not have that type of real setting in a game. Sure you can play however you want, but just like in real life you can't always get what you want.

 

Now I know it's just a game, and everyone wants everything the way they want it. But what I think Bioware is going for isn't really a game in a fantasy setting. But an actual world in a fantasy setting. And that makes it more 'real' for the players. Lots of people go to games to escape the real world. But I think it's nice that they're making this world a fantasy setting, but with real problems and with real life situations.

 

Again, that's just me....

 

I guess I don't really see the challenge? A challenge would be working through your issues with someone with a lot of patience and conversation, to me. Not just creating a different character to fit the NPC's specs. To me that's not work, that's just showing up in a different outfit.

 

I also don't really get the real world comparison. In the real world I'm not limited to only ever dating maybe five other people who are also judging me by a list of fixed standards. The whole setup of a game is so artificial (that's not a criticism of Bioware, just inherent to what a game is) that it seems odd to try to belatedly inject more limitations into something that is already far more limited than its real-world equivalent. What works on a planet of billions of "potential LIs" doesn't have quite the same meaning in a world with probably fewer than ten.

 

For the record, I don't really want to be forced to play something. That seems pretty contradictory to me. I'm a grownup and will decide how to allocate my own recreation time. If the game merits future playthroughs, I'll do it, and if not I won't. Feeling like I'm being lured into it with gated content doesn't really work for me. I want the game to just... stand on its own.

 

I'm glad you shared your perspective. It's interesting and well thought-out. It's just very different from mine.

[CuriousArtemis]

MD and Cam chat about Cullen around the 8:00 mark.

[Galagraphia]

Mmm, yeah, I dunno. The lion is one of the few things that changed at "Griffon Wing Keep" when they upgraded it military-style, along with the pointy fist thing. But it's the only place they've shown the lion. It could be that the lion is combined with the pointy fist as the overall symbol for the military pillar. I would be surprised if it were such a transient feature as having sent Cullen there since the keep acquires a whole sandstone mountain carved into a lion.

Maybe it's because we turned that griffon keep into the training base for Cullen's new recruits, and it kind of became their main base? 

Anyway, it looks like lion means something. Looks like it's important enough to spend resources on carving a lion head out of a huge rock. Either Cullen discovered his chasind roots, and switched to animal worship, or the lion is a symbol of the organization he leads, or of our military branch, and it means a lot to him and his men.

 

BTW, let's speculate! How do you think Cullen will call you when he's in love with you! Usual boring love-dear-honey stuff, or maybe he will have a pet name for his Quizzy? 

[VampOrchid]

MD's interview with Cam!!

Holy crap I love this interview! It's got me all excited!

[CuriousArtemis]

Holy crap I love this interview! It's got me all excited!

 

I know, me too!!!! She did an excellent job I feel like she's our representative... she's such a fangirl! 

[BevH]

MD and Cam chat about Cullen around the 8:00 mark.

It was actually more MD and Liz

[Phate Phoenix]

MD's interview with Cam!!

*SNIP*

 

That was so good. Like, even without the Cullen stuff. That was a great interview.

 

But the Cullen stuff got me super excited. 

[BevH]

MD's interview with Cam!!

semi-confirmed rumor: the inquisition goes to the moon!!  

[VampOrchid]

I guess I don't really see the challenge? A challenge would be working through your issues with someone with a lot of patience and conversation, to me. Not just creating a different character to fit the NPC's specs. To me that's not work, that's just showing up in a different outfit.

 

I also don't really get the real world comparison. In the real world I'm not limited to only ever dating maybe five other people who are also judging me by a list of fixed standards. The whole setup of a game is so artificial (that's not a criticism of Bioware, just inherent to what a game is) that it seems odd to try to belatedly inject more limitations into something that is already far more limited than its real-world equivalent. What works on a planet of billions of "potential LIs" doesn't have quite the same meaning in a world with probably fewer than ten.

 

For the record, I don't really want to be forced to play something. That seems pretty contradictory to me. I'm a grownup and will decide how to allocate my own recreation time. If the game merits future playthroughs, I'll do it, and if not I won't. Feeling like I'm being lured into it with gated content doesn't really work for me. I want the game to just... stand on its own.

 

I'm glad you shared your perspective. It's interesting and well thought-out. It's just very different from mine.

 

Meh like I said, it's probably just me.

 

But I'm thinking in more terms of RL where you're in a social group of like 10 - 15 ppl. If you really have your heart set on someone, doesn't mean they'll return that same type of feelings. So to me, it just makes sense.

 

In this game, we know there are tones of different ways a play through can go. So if you finish a game with character A and you didn't romance the person you thought you were going to, now maybe the person you ended up with has changed your perspective. Then you go back later on, play the game again, try to make the same decisions, but you can't because this new LI wouldn't fly by those decisions. To me, I'm getting my moneys worth playing a game more then once and discovering new things each time.

 

But again, that's just me. But I do get where others are coming from, and all of these other opinions make sense as well.

[VampOrchid]

I know, me too!!!! She did an excellent job I feel like she's our representative... she's such a fangirl! 

 

Is it just more or did anyone else enjoy this interview more then the E3 ones? I'm not talking about just the Cullen stuff, which hey loved hearing about that and the swooning and kiss scenes...ahem...

 

But we did get a bit more info here as well.

[Panda]

On the subject of the romances...

 

I have know problem with them being preset to certain restrictions. I think it's more challenging and a bit more realistic, not to mention, forces you to go back and play as different characters, which is neat.

 

Rather than add replay-value.. these romance rections are doing pretty opposite to me. I mean if my qunaris can only romance Iron Bull.. there isn't point on playing qunari. Same with dwarves, if they are only for Varric.. there is no point for me. Instead of me expanding of what I usually play.. I have to limit myself to play certain races and sexes. I was okay with sexes but I really want to play qunaris.. many qunaris. And romance everyone I want with them.

[VampOrchid]

That was so good. Like, even without the Cullen stuff. That was a great interview.

 

But the Cullen stuff got me super excited. 

 

Same. If there's a Cullen fan looking over everything (Liz) and she's finding it swoon worthy...dear maker !

 

Love that you don't just hand the LIs gifts, love that you have to earn their trust and show that your interested in what they're interested in. There's gonna be tactics involve in this part of the game too. Woop! Go ahead LIs play hard to get....le roar!

[Galagraphia]

That Liz in MD's video, I love her!   She made me a very happy fangirl!

[spookycatlover]

MD's interview with Cam!!

of course I watch this before I'm about to go sleep...now im all excited :'''''''(

[TreeHuggerHannah]

I'm in chat for a bit if anyone wants to hang out.

 

http://client00.chat.mibbit.com/

 

#cullenites

[VampOrchid]

Rather than add replay-value.. these romance rections are doing pretty opposite to me. I mean if my qunaris can only romance Iron Bull.. there isn't point on playing qunari. Same with dwarves, if they are only for Varric.. there is no point for me. Instead of me expanding of what I usually play.. I have to limit myself to play certain races and sexes. I was okay with sexes but I really want to play qunaris.. many qunaris. And romance everyone I want with them.

 

 

Well there's no point that you know of yet. There has to be a reason why they tossed in a Qunari as a playable character. Not just fan demand.

 

Example, when you end DAO, if you're a mage you can help free the Ferelden Circles.

 

What if, there's a greater role when playing a Qunari, what if the way you get to play the game changes just based on the the race you play. That to me could be interesting. What if there are different endings, scenarios ect... I don't know. But for me the game isn't just about the romances, it's about the world and the game as an entire thing. The romances are and have always been amazing...and I don't want to say secondary, but for me I like playing the game for the game. And everyone has their own opinion on how they play a game, and that's fine. But I'm more into the entire story, not just the romance parts.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

BTW, let's speculate! How do you think Cullen will call you when he's in love with you! Usual boring love-dear-honey stuff, or maybe he will have a pet name for his Quizzy? 

 

Oooo that's a tough one. I always hear "love" but I don't know, I actually can't remember if any of the LI's have ever had affection names for the protagonist when being romanced......?

[HurricaneGinger]

@Eric: (you know, I see your username all the time but I can never remember how to spell it! 8[ ) You feel better, doll! You'll have a batch of shortbreads waiting for you here!

 

As for the interview: omg

 

cullen romance is swoon-worthy

 

omg

omg

omg

 

*faints*

 

 

 

BTW, let's speculate! How do you think Cullen will call you when he's in love with you! Usual boring love-dear-honey stuff, or maybe he will have a pet name for his Quizzy?  

 

Anything but "darling" right now. I just finished playing Outlast: Whilstleblower. 8[

[Lorien19]

So Cullen's romance is won worthy?


 

Why isn't it October yet?

[CuriousArtemis]

Love that you don't just hand the LIs gifts, love that you have to earn their trust and show that your interested in what they're interested in. There's gonna be tactics involve in this part of the game too. Woop! Go ahead LIs play hard to get....le roar!

 

This got me excited, too!! I told my friend, and she was like, THANK GOD! She complained about how hard the Fenris romance was, and I was like, it's not hard!! You just love him lots and she's all, that's cause he's your boy lol (She's an Anders fan). 

 

But YAY it seems stupid "point" system is gone. Hoping it's more akin to ME, although I'm fine if I do something and that angers a companion too much so that they refuse to romance me or even leave. But no more friendship/rivalry or approval crap.

 

The romances are and have always been amazing...and I don't want to say secondary, but for me I like playing the game for the game. And everyone has their own opinion on how they play a game, and that's fine. But I'm more into the entire story, not just the romance parts.

 

Honestly, I probably wouldn't even buy the game if it didn't have romances. Yeah, they are important to me.... not ashamed to admit that. I bought Skyrim and Dragon's Dogma because they have inclusive romances, too. Didn't buy SW:TOR for that reason. I'm a small minority, and they probably aren't concerned with pleasing the likes of me, but I exist!

[VampOrchid]

This got me excited, too!! I told my friend, and she was like, THANK GOD! She complained about how hard the Fenris romance was, and I was like, it's not hard!! You just love him lots and she's all, that's cause he's your boy lol (She's an Anders fan). 

 

But YAY it seems stupid "point" system is gone. Hoping it's more akin to ME, although I'm fine if I do something and that angers a companion too much so that they refuse to romance me or even leave. But no more friendship/rivalry or approval crap.

 

 

Honestly, I probably wouldn't even buy the game if it didn't have romances. Yeah, they are important to me.... not ashamed to admit that. I bought Skyrim and Dragon's Dogma because they have inclusive romances, too. Didn't buy SW:TOR for that reason. I'm a small minority, and they probably aren't concerned with pleasing the likes of me, but I exist!

 

What I like about Bioware, is that they seem to want to at least try to please everyone. But, I'm sure that's not always possible.

 

Hey man, I know tones of ppl that buy games for the romance part. Fine by me. Just not the only thing I look for in a game

[TreeHuggerHannah]

...and show that your interested in what they're interested in.

 

Wait, we have to prove common interests now, too?

 

So I just have to find one of the LIs who will accept human for a race, female for a gender, mage for a class, and enjoys gardening, music, going to the chantry, reading, and stargazing? This shouldn't be a problem at all. #ForeverAloneInquisitor

 

I need to actually watch this video, yikes!

[VampOrchid]

I still want a Lion Helm!

[Panda]

Well there's no point that you know of yet. There has to be a reason why they tossed in a Qunari as a playable character. Not just fan demand.

 

Example, when you end DAO, if you're a mage you can help free the Ferelden Circles.

 

What if, there's a greater role when playing a Qunari, what if the way you get to play the game changes just based on the the race you play. That to me could be interesting. What if there are different endings, scenarios ect... I don't know. But for me the game isn't just about the romances, it's about the world and the game as an entire thing. The romances are and have always been amazing...and I don't want to say secondary, but for me I like playing the game for the game. And everyone has their own opinion on how they play a game, and that's fine. But I'm more into the entire story, not just the romance parts.

 

The gameplay probaply is different scenarios with playing as different races. However romances are still one of biggest factors for me in BW games. If I have to play human to romance humans.. then it's 3 human playthrough to me ^^; That sounds really dull to me, more limiting than expanding my gameplay options. I might play qunari who doesn't romance anyone but I have done noromance in BW games before.. and it isn't worth it for me.