I haven't read the comic, so I don't know. I just heard second hand that it occurred in/after they came out of the Fade and Alistair had a dream that he and his father where out riding together and he was the Prince in place of Calian.
My first play through was as human noble - I didn't see the rejection of a non noble until my second play through. My son and I played the game at the same time, and we would compare notes and geek out over things. He romanced Morrigan and I saw a few of the conversations and it was really interesting to see that side of her.. and he watched a couple with Alistair and laughed at me while I blushed. I love the story line of Alistair's romance...
(is this considered a spoiler?)...which is why my son asked me one day if I'd gotten to the end yet and warned me I had some "feels coming up". I didn't do the DR and took Alistair with me up to Fort Drakon, all the while worried like mad about one of us dying but hoping like hell it wouldn't come to that. And then when he pushed my Warden aside I completely lost it - crying, hollering at the monitor.. omg I was a mess. I was so upset & then angry that i went on a search and found a mod that let me knock him out and do the US myself..then cried again at the look on Alistair's face as he cradled her dead body, and then again at her funeral.
Then I promptly started a second play through where I planned on doing the DR and avoiding all that heart break!
All I'm hoping for is the same twists and turns and tears and laughter, which I didn't get much of in DA 2. If the romances are even half as good as Alistair's then it should be awesome
I liked both Bethany and Carver in their own way, but Bethany lived more in my play throughs.
LOL, that dark ritual was a total no brainer for me! Morrigan was like "do this ritual and neither of you will die!" I figured it was foreshadowing that one of us would die because that other old Warden dude would get himself killed before taking the killing blow himself, lol. I guess I'm just good at picking up on the subtle/not-so-subtle hints!
I haven't read the comic, so I don't know. I just heard second hand that it occurred in/after they came out of the Fade and Alistair had a dream that he and his father where out riding together and he was the Prince in place of Calian.
I'm willing to bet Alistair's wanting to be king has more to do with wishing he was treated like his father's son. He pretty much grew up in the stables and the chantry, after all. And Alistair has no idea one of the men he believes cares about him is more interested in the position a king!Alistair can grant him. 
Well, I think he was making joke in the king case. The situation were a bit more...relaxed, I guess, then Act 2.
I definitely took it as good-natured joking, but I still felt a bit sad. If the love of his life was only going to get one reference it could have been a bit sweeter 
mind you I bet my sarcastic, manipulative Cousland is probably just as bad. She and Alistair probably alternate between snarking matches and sickly sweetness all around the palace 
Yeah, I recall we discussed this.
Admittedly, I was thinking more about the well-being of Ferelden than his personal desire
I felt Anora would be a better ruler, tbh LOL! I love Alistair, but he's a daft bugger. I know the epilogues said he does well as King, but he's not really the ruling sort, especially unhardened. I never harden the companions because I don't like the idea of messing with their personality like that, lol.
I'm willing to bet Alistair's wanting to be king has more to do with wishing he was treated like his father's son. He pretty much grew up in the stables and the chantry, after all. And Alistair has no idea one of the men he believes cares about him is more interested in the potion a king!Alistair can grant him.
Which one? Eamon or Teagan?
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LOL, that dark ritual was a total no brainer for me! Morrigan was like "do this ritual and neither of you will die!" I figured it was foreshadowing that one of us would die because that other old Warden dude would get himself killed before taking the killing blow himself, lol. I guess I'm just good at picking up on the subtle/not-so-subtle hints!
Which one? Eamon or Teagan?
Eamon. I do not like Eamon. He can sit with Irving in my 'you are a dick, sir' corner.
I feel Teagan cares for Alistair. (And I kind of theorise that it was actually Teagan, not Eamon, who repaired Alistair's mother's amulet.)
Eamon. I do not like Eamon. He can sit with Irving in my 'you are a dick, sir' corner.
I feel Teagan cares for Alistair. (And I kind of theorise that it was actually Teagan, not Eamon, who repaired Alistair's mother's amulet.)
Whoa! Whoa! Whoa? Eamon was a bad guy? And we saved him? Grrr
At least it wasn't Teagan. Teagan's a sweetie 
Riordan couldn't possible have a bigger death flag on his death.
He wanted to kill the archdemon, so that our Warden wouldn't have been forced to make a choice? Yeah, I didn't see it happening
I know, right!
Unhardened is the worst choice for Ferelden as a ruler, in my opinion. He's basically the puppet of Eamon, Anora or the Warden.I felt Anora would be a better ruler, tbh LOL! I love Alistair, but he's a daft bugger. I know the epilogues said he does well as King, but he's not really the ruling sort, especially unhardened. I never harden the companions because I don't like the idea of messing with their personality like that, lol.
Whoa! Whoa! Whoa? Eamon was a bad guy? And we saved him? Grrr
At least it wasn't Teagan. Teagan's a sweetie
Well, he's not 'I want to put a knife in his jugular' bad. He is pretty dickish, though. And obviously doesn't care for Alistair nearly as much Alistair believes he does.
*sits in her Anora adoring corner* I feel so alone.
I think Anora is great too!!!
Some people just don't like characters that have their own agenda, especially one that doesn't benefit the PC in some way.
You mean 'position' not 'potion' right? Because at first i didn't understand what you were talking aboutEamon. I do not like Eamon. He can sit with Irving in my 'you are a dick, sir' corner.
I feel Teagan cares for Alistair. (And I kind of theorise that it was actually Teagan, not Eamon, who repaired Alistair's mother's amulet.)
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The only romance I want to try is Cullen's. The others can wait, depending on how I'll experience my first playthrough. So, as of now, I'm not eagerly waiting for the LI annoucements (and all the shitstorms they'll bring). I just wanna be 100% sure if my human fem!inquisitor will match Cullen romance, knowing that I'd like to play a rogue.
This is how I feel. Some of the other characters seem interesting, but it's all about Cullen for me. He's all I want! I just wish they'd spill the beans on him one way or another.
You mean 'position' not 'potion' right? Because at first i didn't understand what you were talking about
Yeah, I just edited it. My keyboard is sh!t and skips keys sometimes.
I think Anora is great too!!!
Some people just don't like characters that have their own agenda, especially one that doesn't benefit the PC in some way.
Count me in as an Anora fan as well. Loved her character. Hopefully we'll meet her in DA:I 
Same here! Every. Single. Time! And in DA2 in Fenris, I just can't bear to leave that elf alone and lonely in his mansion feeling as though the whole world is against him
Same That's one reason I'm glad for the Keep, because when I actually play the game, if I decide to romance someone else, like Anders or Isabela, I have to no recruit Fenris, like, not even do "Bait and Switch." Cause if I do, I can't resist romancing him. The thought of him going through all that alone is too much to bear! So by not recruiting him, I pretend he just doesn't exist in that playthrough. But I have a feeling the import wouldn't read it that way, and I'd encounter slave!Fenris in DAI 
So... thank god for the Keep
Unhardened is the worst choice for Ferelden as a ruler, in my opinion. He's basically the puppet of Eamon, Anora or the Warden.
Hardened, he's willing to learn how to rule (even from Anora), and he's more firm in not letting someone control him.
I see your point of hardening, though I don't think we personally mess with them. In both cases there are events in the story that let them think of their situation. You don't really tell them what to do. I mean, Alistair was disappointed at goldanna, and started questioning himself. To trigger the hardening you say 'We're all alone' or something similar. You just offer him your perspective at the matter, and he started questioning himself on this thought. He reached the conclusion of how he should act by himself.
I know, I just like him better how he is, lol.
Someone posted about the reason why Cullen is so popular a few pages back, and I figured I'd take a stab at explaining my own reasons, in DA:O I rolled a M!Mage, that had an Aequitarian world view with a serious Libertarian and Lucrosian bent, (my pc saw money and incremental change as the only for the mages to gain power in the circle) since my pc was male I didn't get the famous stutter convo when I first met Cullen.
And to be perfectly honest with you guys, after that first meeting I was felt feeling more than a little terrified on my pc's behalf, I mean 'you'd have to kill me, but at least you'd feel bad afterwards didn't fill me with positive feels. But, I reassured him and quickly left the creepy Templar.
When I came back to the circle during, what can only be affectionately called the Uldred c!ck up, and killing demons, templars and zombies left and right. I meet up again with the creepy templar, who it turns out has been tortured by blood mages (for weeks or months depending on how long it took me to get to the circle), and my first instinct was pity, I mean he'd obviously been through a lot (and had legitimate reason for not helping the mages vs hiding behind a big door and waiting for an army of your friends to show up and kill a bunch of people). But then he goes on about killing every mage in the tower and yeah... once again quickly left the creepy and now crazy templar.
Jump to the end where demons are slain, damsels are rescued (well a bunch of guys in dresses are rescued, they sort of count right?). Then creepy and crazy comes back screaming about killing all the mages again, but Gregoir shuts him down and thats the last my Warden pc sees of creepy and crazy aka Cullen.
Then in DA2, my Hawke another M!Mage, met Cullen, he didn't seem crazy or creepy, but since he's been forced into hiding by the Templar order, he's got a bit of a chip on his shoulder about templars, and the first time they meet he (Cullen) was beating up a guy, he immediately thinks Cullen's at fault so he charges in full tilt to protect the 'innocent' and then gets attacked by demons for his trouble. (This fairly sums up the entirety of DA2 for my Hawke tbh)
At the conclusion of the quest, when Cullen pays Hawke and Co, because the quest giver couldn't afford to anymore and the way he chose to resolve the situation with Keran, made me not like him but actually respect him a little (my pc is still an apostate after all), as it was the fairest way to resolve the issue.
But my opinion about Cullen didn't actually change until the final battle with Meredith, when my Hawke had just about given up on the goodness of humanity and about to fight to the death with the crazy templar to put all crazy templars to shame, that I was soundly and pleasantly surprised to find Ser Cullen siding with me against Meredith, (tbh, I had to pause the game to consider this new development) but it did happen, and I found myself actually liking a him, he'd come a long way from the creepy and crazy templar in DA:O.
But the real clincher was you guys, I don't think I've ever been a part of a thread on this forum where the atmosphere has been this pleasant and welcoming. You guys, persuaded me to up my estimation from what I thought was just an interesting character, to one I'm looking forward to seeing again.
Thanks
P.S. I think this might be the longest post I've ever written... Woah 
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I know, I just like him better how he is, lol.
. Him being hardened just fit my canon playthrough better.
I think Anora is great too!!!
Some people just don't like characters that have their own agenda, especially one that doesn't benefit the PC in some way.
I think she's great as a character! I just don't like manipulative or haughty people as people, in real life or in games.
(EDIT: Although I'm expecting to like Vivienne, so yeah, I guess having objectives aligned with the PC's objectives is also a factor. Which I think is reasonable; I'm also more likely to like someone in real life if they want the same things I want.)
Unhardened is the worst choice for Ferelden as a ruler, in my opinion. He's basically the puppet of Eamon, Anora or the Warden.
Hardened, he's willing to learn how to rule (even from Anora), and he's more firm in not letting someone control him.
I see your point of hardening, though I don't think we personally mess with them. In both cases there are events in the story that let them think of their situation. You don't really tell them what to do. I mean, Alistair was disappointed at goldanna, and started questioning himself. To trigger the hardening you say 'We're all alone' or something similar. You just offer him your perspective at the matter, and he started questioning himself on this thought. He reached the conclusion of how he should act by himself.
Yeah, I hardened Alistair with one of my dwarf castless playthroughs, because I thought it would make sense for her to be less trusting of people given her background. Man, though, having Alistair come to her and talk about how she helped change his perspective, and then being all 'No, no. You're right.' when she got flustered and tried to retract it because ICly she didn't want him to just pick up her bitter views...
All the feels!
...And that makes me wanna go back and do another dwarf run. Sh!t.
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