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[CuriousArtemis]

Personally, I think that the race-gating can be a positive thing. Considering that over 80% of the player base play as a human male, I think it could encourage some to be a little more adventurous, picking different races and/or genders. It also (imo) encourages multiple playthroughs.

 

I can see that argument *nods* but it also inhibits role-playing, kind of forces the process to be artificial. Maybe I pick this particular race and gender because I identify with that character the best, and then all of a sudden my options become severely limited, and I'm only able to romance someone I don't really care for, or whom I don't really feel my character would even like. "Well he doesn't like elves; just play a dwarf!" says another player. But... that's my character, I say. I can't just arbitrarily change his race like that!

 

So, yes, and no. I get people's anger, but I think it's the wrong response. A lot of what is coming out about the romances has been intensely depressing for me, but I've yet to make an angry thread calling all the devs rude names lol because I don't feel that way; I admire the devs and am at least curious about this game, so no need to be a total d!ck about my own disappointments.

[duckley]

Unhardened is the worst choice for Ferelden as a ruler, in my opinion. He's basically the puppet of Eamon, Anora or the Warden.
Hardened, he's willing to learn how to rule (even from Anora), and he's more firm in not letting someone control him.
I see your point of hardening, though I don't think we personally mess with them. In both cases there are events in the story that let them think of their situation. You don't really tell them what to do. I mean, Alistair was disappointed at goldanna, and started questioning himself. To trigger the hardening you say 'We're all alone' or something similar. You just offer him your perspective at the matter, and he started questioning himself on this thought. He reached the conclusion of how he should act by himself.

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I pretty much always played with him hardened, but actually I think Alistair  was alot more clever than he let on. He was great at  using the "lead from behind" approach. Ever notice how he would privde the Warden with just the right amount of information so that he/she could make a decison. Alistair knew something about everything - obviously well read on the history, culture, nobility, religion etc. His self effacing humor made him loveable and engageable, but make no mistake - I always found him very clear on what was right and wrong, what was his duty.

 

Dont forget,  he knew his very existance would be seen by some as a threat to Cailin! When your life could be forfeit by someone who sees you as a threat - self-effacing, lead-them-from-behind is a good approach. I think he had all the making as a great leader - a leader with some compassion and humility can't be all that bad eh?

[The Elder King]

Yeah, I hardened Alistair with one of my dwarf castless playthroughs, because I thought it would make sense for her to be less trusting of people given her background. Man, though, having Alistair come to her and talk about how she helped change his perspective, and then being all 'No, no. You're right.' when she got flustered and tried to retract it because ICly she didn't want him to just pick up her bitter views...
 
All the feels!
 
...And that makes me wanna go back and do another dwarf run. Sh!t.

Dwarves playthroughs were awesome. And Aimo's art is tempting me to start with a dwarf in DAI.

[LolaLei]

Someone posted about the reason why Cullen is so popular a few pages back, and I figured I'd take  a stab at explaining my own reasons, in DA:O I rolled a M!Mage, that had an Aequitarian world view with a serious Libertarian and Lucrosian bent, (my pc saw money and incremental change as the only for the mages to gain power in the circle) since my pc was male I didn't get the famous stutter convo when I first met Cullen.

 

And to be perfectly honest with you guys, after that first meeting I was felt feeling more than a little terrified on my pc's behalf, I mean 'you'd have to kill me, but at least you'd feel bad afterwards didn't fill me with positive feels. But, I reassured him and quickly left the creepy Templar. 

 

When I came back to the circle during, what can only be affectionately called the Uldred c!ck up, and killing demons, templars and zombies left and right. I meet up again with the creepy templar, who it turns out has been tortured by blood mages (for weeks or months depending on how long it took me to get to the circle), and my first instinct was pity, I mean he'd obviously been through a lot (and had legitimate reason for not helping the mages vs hiding behind a big door and waiting for an army of your friends to show up and kill a bunch of people). But then he goes on about killing every mage in the tower and yeah... once again quickly left the creepy and now crazy templar.

 

Jump to the end where demons are slain, damsels are rescued (well a bunch of guys in dresses are rescued, they sort of count right?). Then creepy and crazy comes back screaming about killing all the mages again, but Gregoir shuts him down and thats the last my Warden pc sees of creepy and crazy aka Cullen.

 

 

Out of curiosity, why did you feel he was creepy/crazy in DA:O? I personally didn't get that vibe at all, I just found him to initially be very naive and then later justified in wanting everyone dead. To use the example that I used before: imagine a terrorist group attacked your school/college/work place/local hang out and everyone was killed, including your friends. You're the sole survivor and the only one left standing. Wouldn't you feel angry and bitter? Wouldn't you want that group killed for their crimes? Even the members of that terrorist group who weren't actively part of the attack but were guilty by association? I know I would. Add to the mix that the terrorist group had tortured you for weeks and made you watch as your friends were killed. You'd be in utterly broken and messed up, you'd be as "crazy" as Cullen was in his situation. When you've gone through something that traumatic, all logic goes out of the window. That's what Cullen was dealing with.

[LolaLei]

Yeah, I hardened Alistair with one of my dwarf castless playthroughs, because I thought it would make sense for her to be less trusting of people given her background. Man, though, having Alistair come to her and talk about how she helped change his perspective, and then being all 'No, no. You're right.' when she got flustered and tried to retract it because ICly she didn't want him to just pick up her bitter views...

 

All the feels!

 

...And that makes me wanna go back and do another dwarf run. Sh!t.   

 

Does he go back to soft if you take it back?

[serenai]

LOL, that dark ritual was a total no brainer for me! Morrigan was like "do this ritual and neither of you will die!" I figured it was foreshadowing that one of us would die because that other old Warden dude would get himself killed before taking the killing blow himself, lol. I guess I'm just good at picking up on the subtle/not-so-subtle hints!

 

You probably are better at it - I missed quite a few things my first (and second!) play through. It was a hard decision the first time, and my son and I talked about it and we both agreed letting Morrigan loose with an old god's soul was probably a *very* bad thing for Thedas. lol.. the writing was on the wall, I just didn't realize the writing had fangs until I played it all the way through.

 

And I adore Teagan. I wanted to slap Isolde with all my heart and soul!

[JediBeagle]

Good to see so much Carver love around here lol! I have nothing against Bethany but I prefer Carver. Maybe it's because I've only got brothers myself. So arguing and fighting with Carver felt very natural!

 

I haven't read the comic, so I don't know. I just heard second hand that it occurred in/after they came out of the Fade and Alistair had a dream that he and his father where out riding together and he was the Prince in place of Calian.

 

That's just heartbreaking! Poor kid What comic was this in exactly, do you know?

[Dirgegun]

I think she's great as a character! I just don't like manipulative or haughty people as people, in real life or in games.

 

(EDIT: Although I'm expecting to like Vivienne, so yeah, I guess having objectives aligned with the PC's objectives is also a factor. Which I think is reasonable; I'm also more likely to like someone in real life if they want the same things I want.)

 

I don't personally find Anora manipulative or haughty, but I suppose first impressions, whether on the mark or off the mark, is what leads to some interesting roleplay~~

[CuriousArtemis]

I have a question to ask you all:

 

Should I leave out the companion reveals from the E3/DAI week video I'm making? See, I'm thinking about doing a completely separate video about them once all the companions/advisors are revealed, but I can't be sure that they'll all be revealed by next week.

 

Maybe in your next video, end it by saying, "And BioWare released a few character bios, but I'll be making a video to discus all of those separately" or something.

[Dirgegun]

Dwarves playthroughs were awesome. And Aimo's art is tempting me to start with a dwarf in DAI.

 

Yessss!

 

I love Aimo's dwarf art, and her adorable dwarven Inquisitor is pushing me towards starting with a dwarf. I also feel it could just be fun to revisit, because my very first Origin playthrough was with a dwarf. 

[LolaLei]

Good to see so much Carver love around here lol! I have nothing against Bethany but I prefer Carver. Maybe it's because I've only got brothers myself. So arguing and fighting with Carver felt very natural!

 

 

That's just heartbreaking! Poor kid What comic was this in exactly, do you know?

 

One of the ones where he's running around with Isabela, Varric and that Tervinter mage... ****, what was her name? The one with the blue dress.

[CuriousArtemis]

Yeah, to be honest, I was initially really disappointed when I learned we couldn't be a City Elf, but after reworking my Elidri, I think she's much more interesting Dalish as she was as a City Elf. 

 

Same, I wanted my elven mage to be a Circle mage, but him being Dalish just means he's a bit of an outsider amongst his clan, and also perhaps a bit kooky. I still really do miss the City elf option, as I've had to scrap my third inquisitor, but oh well. 

[BevH]

I think Anora is great too!!!

 

Some people just don't like characters that have their own agenda, especially one that doesn't benefit the PC in some way.

For me it wasn't that Anora had her own agenda (which she did, of course). For me it was more a case of her allowing her father to run things with her saying virtually nothing about it. To me, that makes her as much a puppet queen as people think Alistair would've been a puppet king.

[Dirgegun]

Does he go back to soft if you take it back?

 

Nope. He just says you were right and that there's no need for you to take it back for his sake/be nice to him to protect him. You were just being honest. My poor girl was so upset with herself. 

[LolaLei]

Nope. He just says you were right and that there's no need for you to take it back for his sake/be nice to him to protect him. You were just being honest. My poor girl was so upset with herself. 

 

I'm just terrible at saying things like that to them. I just want to comfort and protect all the companions and look after them... I think it's my hero complex kicking in, LOL!

[Dirgegun]

I'm just terrible at saying things like that to them. I just want to comfort all the companions and look after them... I think it's my hero complex kicking in, LOL!

 

I'm pretty terrible over things like that too. It was a struggle to click the option, but what was in character for her was in character for her. I couldn't deny her that. 

 

I think the only time I've been truly evil in a game was when I was playing Fallout 2 and couldn't find the guy I was sent to talk to. I swear I looked all over the town and combed every inch, but couldn't track the bugger down. I got so frustrated I vented by killing everyone and just leaving the brahmin.   

[BevH]

One of the ones where he's running around with Isabela, Varric and that Tervinter mage... ****, what was her name? The one with the blue dress.

It's in the 3rd one - Until We Sleep. And the mage's name is Maeveris.

[SeekerOfLight]

Out of curiosity, why did you feel he was creepy/crazy in DA:O? I personally didn't get that vibe at all, I just found him to initially be very naive and then later justified in wanting everyone dead. To use the example that I used before: imagine a terrorist group attacked your school/college/work place/local hang out and everyone was killed, including your friends. You're the sole survivor and the only one left standing. Wouldn't you feel angry and bitter? Wouldn't you want that group killed for their crimes? Even the members of that terrorist group who weren't actively part of the attack but were guilty by association? I know I would. Add to the mix that the terrorist group had tortured you for weeks and made you watch as your friends were killed. You'd be in utterly broken and messed up, you'd be a "crazy" as Cullen was in his situation. When you've gone through something that traumatic, all logic goes out of the window. That's what Cullen was dealing with.

 

I took it from my pc's point of view, which was that he was resentful that he was essentially prisoner for life, and if he failed the test that he couldn't study for, he'd be killed. And then the templar whose job it was to kill him was saying, that if he had failed the test, he would've killed him but felt bad afterwards. Thats what I found creepy.

 

When you're back to the Cullen bit of the broken circle mission, I did feel sorry for him, and thinking back still do in fact, but at the time he was all faster warden, kill, kill, kill and I wasn't down for that. So at that moment in time, for me in that moment he was crazy.

 

But, that's part of the reason why I've grown to like his character, because he's grown too, like I've grown. He was reacting to his experiences, while I (my PC) was reacting to his reaction.

 

If that makes sense?

[Potato Cat]

It's in the 3rd one - Until We Sleep. And the mage's name is Maeveris.

Love her. Maevaris for romanceable companion in DA4!

[CuriousArtemis]

And on a side-note,

I love that nobody in here seems to hate Carver. I'm always afraid to say that I prefer his story over Bethany (note: I don't hate Behtany!). I love working for a friendship with Carver even though I know I can never max it out.

 

I don't hate Carver, but I don't love him. I don't love Bethany either, but I relate more to her relationship with Hawke than Carver's. The Hawke/Carver sibling rivalry is just painful to me, and Carver, to use Aveline's term, is just a big ****** lol

[LolaLei]

It's in the 3rd one - Until We Sleep. And the mage's name is Maeveris.

 

That's her!

[MacyNell]

Someone posted about the reason why Cullen is so popular a few pages back, and I figured I'd take  a stab at explaining my own reasons, in DA:O I rolled a M!Mage, that had an Aequitarian world view with a serious Libertarian and Lucrosian bent, (my pc saw money and incremental change as the only for the mages to gain power in the circle) since my pc was male I didn't get the famous stutter convo when I first met Cullen.

 

And to be perfectly honest with you guys, after that first meeting I was felt feeling more than a little terrified on my pc's behalf, I mean 'you'd have to kill me, but at least you'd feel bad afterwards didn't fill me with positive feels. But, I reassured him and quickly left the creepy Templar. 

 

When I came back to the circle during, what can only be affectionately called the Uldred c!ck up, and killing demons, templars and zombies left and right. I meet up again with the creepy templar, who it turns out has been tortured by blood mages (for weeks or months depending on how long it took me to get to the circle), and my first instinct was pity, I mean he'd obviously been through a lot (and had legitimate reason for not helping the mages vs hiding behind a big door and waiting for an army of your friends to show up and kill a bunch of people). But then he goes on about killing every mage in the tower and yeah... once again quickly left the creepy and now crazy templar.

 

Jump to the end where demons are slain, damsels are rescued (well a bunch of guys in dresses are rescued, they sort of count right?). Then creepy and crazy comes back screaming about killing all the mages again, but Gregoir shuts him down and thats the last my Warden pc sees of creepy and crazy aka Cullen.

 

Then in DA2, my Hawke another M!Mage, met Cullen, he didn't seem crazy or creepy, but since he's been forced into hiding by the Templar order, he's got a bit of a chip on his shoulder about templars, and the first time they meet he (Cullen)  was beating up a guy, he immediately thinks Cullen's at fault so he charges in full tilt to protect the 'innocent' and then gets attacked by demons for his trouble. (This fairly sums up the entirety of DA2 for my Hawke tbh)

 

At the conclusion of the quest, when Cullen pays Hawke and Co, because the quest giver couldn't afford to anymore and the way he chose to resolve the situation with Keran, made me not like him but actually respect him a little (my pc is still an apostate after all), as it was the fairest way to resolve the issue.

 

But my opinion about Cullen didn't actually change until the final battle with Meredith, when my Hawke had just about given up on the goodness of humanity and about to fight to the death with the crazy templar to put all crazy templars to shame, that I was soundly and pleasantly surprised to find Ser Cullen siding with me against Meredith, (tbh, I had to pause the game to consider this new development) but it did happen, and I found myself actually liking a him, he'd come a long way from the creepy and crazy templar in DA:O.

 

But the real clincher was you guys, I don't think I've ever been a part of a thread on this forum where the atmosphere has been this pleasant and welcoming. You guys, persuaded me to up my estimation from what I thought was just an interesting character, to one I'm looking forward to seeing again. 

 

Thanks

 

 

P.S. I think this might be the longest post I've ever written... Woah  . 

 

Thank you for sharing your experience with us, and it's nice to hear that you're coming around to the awesomeness that is Cullen...

[Dirgegun]

It's in the 3rd one - Until We Sleep. And the mage's name is Maeveris.

 

Maevaris.   

[LolaLei]

I took it from my pc's point of view, which was that he was resentful that he was essentially prisoner for life, and if he failed the test that he couldn't study for, he'd be killed. And then the templar whose job it was to kill him was saying, that if he had failed the test, he would've killed him but felt bad afterwards. Thats what I found creepy.

 

When you're back to the Cullen bit of the broken circle mission, I did feel sorry for him, and thinking back still do in fact, but at the time he was all faster warden, kill, kill, kill and I wasn't down for that. So at that moment in time, for me in that moment he was crazy.

 

But, that's part of the reason why I've grown to like his character, because he's grown too, like I've grown. He was reacting to his experiences, while I (my PC) was reacting to his reaction.

 

If that makes sense?

 

That's interesting, I like hearing different perspectives. I hadn't played the male mage Warden until much later on. He's definitely a lot colder towards the male mage than the female, I know that much. Still, it's good that he would have felt bad... if he'd enjoyed doing it then that's a definite sign of the crazies! 

[mysteriouspast]

I don't know why it's doing that, sometimes they pop up and other times they don't. Maybe I ballsed up the settings whilst making it secure?

I'm not allowed in either...