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[Lord Llamacorn]

lol sorry, I know this was really far back, but I suddenly have an image of Cullen sitting outside a changing booth, head down, lion helmet between his knees, while he picks at every speck on it or preening the mane out of sheer boredom. Waiting for the inq to finally be done. 

 

HAHAHA I love that image. And once in a while he'll be like "Inquisitor, are you done?!" 

 

"5 more minutes! I'm having a hard time deciding which bedsheetss I should get!"

 

"I don't think the demons would care about whether they're ripping 100% cotton or silk Inquisitor!"

 

"Oh shush."  

 

*CLAWS FACE, LOUD GROAN OF UTTER BOREDOM*

[R2s Muse]

I don't think they will get different armor, but I reckon you will be able to change the color, material etc. of it maybe...

...or maybe we have no control over them at all because they're not player characters... This is my fear with that silly lion helmet. 

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Mmmm... I don't know that I'd use the word defected. The templars didn't just individually decide to choose another side. The person holding the entire organization's contract with the Chantry chose to break that contract, in what seems to be a legal and binding way. They just don't work for the Chantry anymore. I wouldn't consider that to be the same thing as defection. 

 

Damn it! I knew I didn't have the right word, nobody judge me!   Haha 

 

 

Spoiler

Deadshot, you poor babe.

 

Spoiler

 

I know, I know *deep consoling breath*

 

But yay! You read comics. I wish my friends would read comics so they would stop giving me the stink eye every time I go into a rant about how Rogue should be with Gambit! She went into her third stage of mutation and they could finally bump ugly's for the first time in for ever and SHE LEFT HIM!

 

Also, if I'm giving away things you don't want to know tell me to shut up

 

I actually think I should stop clogging up the thread with my comic talk any who   

 

  

[R2s Muse]

Bwahahaha! I've never seen this codex before. 
 
Manual: Templar
"A is for Abomination: The Templar's Alphabet." A book that explains what templars do, and how they do it.

[Galagraphia]

Oh, and on the lyrium subject: now that we don't have blood magic anymore, I think my mage will become an addict as well. It's very sad, but if you drink 5 litres of lyrium potions a day, I don't see how you can avoid the addiction, when the templars, who take much less of it, become addicts. She will probably make light of it, bake blueberry cakes, call them "lyrium cakes", and will invite Cass, Cullen, and the rest of the addicts to a tea party 

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

...or maybe we have no control over them at all because they're not player characters... This is my fear with that silly lion helmet. 

 

.......that, that makes me sad.......I want to play with them. I actually think that he may always have the lion helm, they wouldn't just be like "oh hey, that would look cool!" there must be a reason for it, it must symbolize something...... 

[R2s Muse]

Damn it! I knew I didn't have the right word, nobody judge me!   Haha 

Naw, it's not judgey! I think it could be argued that way... I just wouldn't personally do so.

 

Now, if someone like Cullen were to quit the newly Independent templar Order under Lambert/his successor to go work for the Divine instead, then I would consider *that* defection. I mean, if he's a templar, after breaking the Nevarran Accord he doesn't work for her anymore. Full stop. 

[Dirgegun]

I don't think they will get different armor, but I reckon you will be able to change the color, material etc. of it maybe...

 

Yeah, I sort of imagine this too. The only time they might change is if we can take them to the ball or something. 

 

I sort of want to hope everyone (or, rather, the companions) get casual wear too. The keep being attacked when everyone's in their pyjamas would be kind of perfect.  

[Lord Llamacorn]

I haven't been in here for a few days and just finished catching up. I also do wonder what role Lyrium would have in Cullen's own story. I fear it's gonna be heartbreaking just like how it probably would be with Blackwall (regardless if he's a romancable character or not - even as a companion/friend, it's gonna be pretty damn sad to see) and the taint. it probably won't be as bad as Blackwall since Cullen isn't as old, and the taint is supposed to only rattle you hard as you grow older right? (correct me if i'm wrong.) 

 

I'm not sure how old Cullen is, but I assume he's probably the same age as Alistair which would roughly place him in the mid thirties range by the time of Inquisition? Since he was supposed to be a young man in Origins, and about 13 years have passed since then. 

 

Remember Carroll? Apparently his mind was very much eroded by lyrium or something right? Which is something that kind of confuses me because he seemed very odd, but not in a delusional way that lyrium addiction/withdrawal is described to be. 

[R2s Muse]

Oh, and on the lyrium subject: now that we don't have blood magic anymore, I think my mage will become an addict as well. It's very sad, but if you drink 5 litres of lyrium potions a day, I don't see how you can avoid the addiction, when the templars, who take much less of it, become addicts. She will probably make light of it, bake blueberry cakes, call them "lyrium cakes", and will invite Cass, Cullen, and the rest of the addicts to a tea party 

 
...again...
 

David Gaider wrote...

Taritu wrote...
if there's a DAO 2, I'd LOVE to see lyrium addiction. I mean, the way I had Wynne and Morrigan swilling back lyrium...

So would I. The implementation we had was that, if the addiction developed, the use of lyrium had diminishing returns. You needed more and got less. The problem we encountered, as you point out, is that mages pretty much needed to drink lyrium potions. Addiction was practically guaranteed. So there needed to be some method of dealing with the addiction without rendering it pointless, and ideally some kind of story implication...

...and you can see why it suddenly became costly. If we could come up with some other implementation that was meaningful, I'd like to see return in the future -- it was something templar characters were meant to face as well as mages, after all. Suggestions would be welcome... though perhaps in another thread.

 

[Dirgegun]

Damn it! I knew I didn't have the right word, nobody judge me!   Haha 

 

 

 

Spoiler

 

I know, I know *deep consoling breath*

 

But yay! You read comics. I wish my friends would read comics so they would stop giving me the stink eye every time I go into a rant about how Rogue should be with Gambit! She went into her third stage of mutation and they could finally bump ugly's for the first time in for ever and SHE LEFT HIM!

 

Also, if I'm giving away things you don't want to know tell me to shut up

 

I actually think I should stop clogging up the thread with my comic talk any who   

 

  

 

Yeeeeah. 

 

I could rant for days over what comics have done (both recently and in the past). I think it comes down to how the writers for western comics are always changing and they want to leave their 'mark' during their run. 

 

Now back to DA:I. 

[Galagraphia]

...or maybe we have no control over them at all because they're not player characters... This is my fear with that silly lion helmet. 

Well, there was that concept art, where Cullen is wearing a simple brigandine instead of his fancy lion armor. Maybe he starts in that simple outfit, but then something happens, and he gets a fancy outfit as a reward for a quest. Because let me be honest, that armor is so not him. He's a simple Fereldan guy from nowhere, who's made himself out of nothing, and that lion armor looks like something a chevalier would wear, or at least a nobleman with more money than he knows what to do with. Maybe some dying chevalier gives it to Cullen at some point for some chevalier-y reasons, like honor and glory.

[R2s Muse]

I haven't been in here for a few days and just finished catching up. I also do wonder what role Lyrium would have in Cullen's own story. I fear it's gonna be heartbreaking just like how it probably would be with Blackwall (regardless if he's a romancable character or not - even as a companion/friend, it's gonna be pretty damn sad to see) and the taint. it probably won't be as bad as Blackwall since Cullen isn't as old, and the taint is supposed to only rattle you hard as you grow older right? (correct me if i'm wrong.) 

 

I'm not sure how old Cullen is, but I assume he's probably the same age as Alistair which would roughly place him in the mid thirties range by the time of Inquisition? Since he was supposed to be a young man in Origins, and about 13 years have passed since then. 

 

Remember Carroll? Apparently his mind was very much eroded by lyrium or something right? Which is something that kind of confuses me because he seemed very odd, but not in a delusional way that lyrium addiction/withdrawal is described to be. 

I don't think you mean Carroll, who was the snarky young guy at the dock, but there was the loopy old gentleman at the Denerim Chantry. Lyrium eventually addles your brain, but not until you're rather old. Look at Greagoir, for ex. 

 

On Cullen, the closest we have to canon is his CHR file from DA:O, which says he was 24, so  4 yrs older than Alistair. That being said in DA:I he's supposed to look "late twenties to thirties." 

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Naw, it's not judgey! I think it could be argued that way... I just wouldn't personally do so.

 

Now, if someone like Cullen were to quit the newly Independent templar Order under Lambert/his successor to go work for the Divine instead, then I would consider *that* defection. I mean, if he's a templar, after breaking the Nevarran Accord he doesn't work for her anymore. Full stop. 

 

Lol I was only joking   I had a feeling it wasn't the right word, but ^^^^^ up there makes a lot more sense 

[R2s Muse]

Well, there was that concept art, where Cullen is wearing a simple brigandine instead of his fancy lion armor. Maybe he starts in that simple outfit, but then something happens, and he gets a fancy outfit as a reward for a quest. Because let me be honest, that armor is so not him. He's a simple Fereldan guy from nowhere, who's made himself out of nothing, and that lion armor looks like something a chevalier would wear, or at least a nobleman with more money than he knows what to do with. Maybe some dying chevalier gives it to Cullen at some point for some chevalier-y reasons, like honor and glory.

Totally agree that it's not him. I'm just praying that the hide helmet toggle also applies to specialists.

 

On the concept art... TBH, my guess is that the boring blue surcoat on him and, arguably, on Leliana in the War Room concept were placeholders of some kind. Even in the leaked survey concept art from 2012 he was wearing this same new furry armor, minus lion, so my guess is that that's his iconic look for DA:I. (heh, minus sword of mercy, of course )

 

 

He's also wearing it at the moment the Inquisitor declares "we are the Inquisition" which ostensibly happens very early in the game (altho, this just as easily could be staged for the trailers).

[Lord Llamacorn]

I don't think you mean Carroll, who was the snarky young guy at the dock, but there was the loopy old gentleman at the Denerim Chantry. Lyrium eventually addles your brain, but not until you're rather old. Look at Greagoir, for ex. 

 

On Cullen, the closest we have to canon is his CHR file from DA:O, which says he was 24, so  4 yrs older than Alistair. That being said in DA:I he's supposed to look "late twenties to thirties." 

 

Oh I thought he was, cause that's what the wiki also said so. Apparently according to the Wikia, if you ask Godwin during the Broken Circle he lists Carroll as one of the templars suffering from lyrium withdrawal. But I might be misinformed >< 

 

Ah yes i remember that gentleman at the Denerim Chantry! 

 

Aww, baby is roughly in his late thirties then! I like me an older gentleman. Kukuku. 

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Yeah, I sort of imagine this too. The only time they might change is if we can take them to the ball or something. 

 

I sort of want to hope everyone (or, rather, the companions) get casual wear too. The keep being attacked when everyone's in their pyjamas would be kind of perfect.  

 

Aww god, I better make sure my Inquisitor has practical sleep attire then, and since I always imagined Cullen sleeping in the nude it could be best to invest in some some PJ's for him too 

[Lord Llamacorn]

Totally agree that it's not him. I'm just praying that the hide helmet toggle also applies to specialists.

 

On the concept art... TBH, my guess is that the boring blue surcoat on him and, arguably, on Leliana in the War Room concept were placeholders of some kind. Even in the leaked survey concept art from 2012 he was wearing this same new furry armor, minus lion, so my guess is that that's his iconic look for DA:I.

 

He's also wearing it at the moment the Inquisitor declares "we are the Inquisition" which ostensibly happens very early in the game (altho, this just as easily could be staged for the trailers).

 

 

I second the hide helmet toggle. As much as I love that helmet, I would like to see my companions and advisors' faces when I take them (or send them out in advisors' case) out on missions. 

Also agree with the concept art being placeholder armors. They probably hadn't finalized his design at the time. Like you said he actually had a similar outfit in the leaked survey. Which makes me curious because in the leaked survey he actually had a sword of mercy on the outfit, but he no longer has one. Perhaps he was meant to still be with the templar order very very early on in his development? i'm saying this with the idea that the leaked survey is legit, seeing that most of the stuff on that survey has actually been correct. 

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Totally agree that it's not him. I'm just praying that the hide helmet toggle also applies to specialists.

 

I'd imagine that it would.............. Or BioWare is being the biggest troll in the world "Yeah, we will put Cullen in the game. You will even be able to romance him. But you will NEVER see his face. MWAHAHAHAHAHA." 

 

And then our tears will sustain David Gaider for the next 50 years 

[R2s Muse]

I second the hide helmet toggle. As much as I love that helmet, I would like to see my companions and advisors' faces when I take them (or send them out in advisors' case) out on missions. 

Also agree with the concept art being placeholder armors. They probably hadn't finalized his design at the time. Like you said he actually had a similar outfit in the leaked survey. Which makes me curious because in the leaked survey he actually had a sword of mercy on the outfit, but he no longer has one. Perhaps he was meant to still be with the templar order very very early on in his development? i'm saying this with the idea that the leaked survey is legit, seeing that most of the stuff on that survey has actually been correct. 

It is legit, because it was a marketing survey. So it doesn't mean everything in it  made it into the game, but it was all real stuff under consideration. Of course... most of it *has* made it into the game. 

 

The sword of mercy is interesting. But... it was also quite a while ago. Maybe they hadn't decided exactly how he was related to the templars at that point. Like has been said many times, in his heart, he'll probably always be a templar. It's just a question of who's currently holding the license to the templar name and organization. It may have only dawned on them later that it was cleaner graphically and politically for those in the Inquisition to formally renounce former allegiances. Then again... Blackwall still has griffons on him. Hmmm. now reconsidering...

[R2s Muse]

Oh I thought he was, cause that's what the wiki also said so. Apparently according to the Wikia, if you ask Godwin during the Broken Circle he lists Carroll as one of the templars suffering from lyrium withdrawal. But I might be misinformed ><

Hmm... interesting! I didn't know that. Sounds fishy to me, but then, I could also see lyrium affecting different folk differently. Carroll is a babe in arms, tho. 
 
Aha! It seems he's developing side effects. 
 
"During the Precious Metals side quest, if you ask Godwin about why he needs so much lyrium, he will state that a number of the templars in the Circle Tower are developing side effects from lyrium addiction, and will mention Carroll specifically as an example"

[Dirgegun]

Hmm... interesting! I didn't know that. Sounds fishy to me, but then, I could also see lyrium affecting different folk differently. Carroll is a babe in arms, tho. 
 
Aha! It seems he's developing side effects. 
 
"During the Precious Metals side quest, if you ask Godwin about why he needs so much lyrium, he will state that a number of the templars in the Circle Tower are developing side effects from lyrium addiction, and will mention Carroll specifically as an example"

 

Poor Carroll. 

[R2s Muse]

Poor Carroll. 

Huh, the wiki intro even reads: "Carroll is a templar whose mind has largely been eroded by use of lyrium."
 
I didn't think this about him. He seemed cheeky but not crazy. 
 
I always find this part of the lyrium codex disturbing:
"Lyrium has its costs, however. Prolonged use becomes addictive, the cravings unbearable. Over time, templars grow disoriented, incapable of distinguishing memory from present, or dream from waking. They frequently become paranoid as their worst memories and nightmares haunt their waking hours. Mages have additionally been known to suffer physical mutation: The magister lords of the Tevinter Imperium were widely reputed to have been so affected by their years of lyrium use that they could not be recognized by their own kin, nor even as creatures that had once been human."

[Dirgegun]

Huh, the wiki intro even reads: "Carroll is a templar whose mind has largely been eroded by use of lyrium."
 
I didn't think this about him. He seemed cheeky but not crazy. 
 
I always find this part of the lyrium codex disturbing:
"Lyrium has its costs, however. Prolonged use becomes addictive, the cravings unbearable. Over time, templars grow disoriented, incapable of distinguishing memory from present, or dream from waking. They frequently become paranoid as their worst memories and nightmares haunt their waking hours. Mages have additionally been known to suffer physical mutation: The magister lords of the Tevinter Imperium were widely reputed to have been so affected by their years of lyrium use that they could not be recognized by their own kin, nor even as creatures that had once been human."

 

I never thought he was crazy, either. Cheeky and maybe a touch scatterbrained, but not crazy. 

 

...Yeah, that is creepy as hell.

 

Dorian, honey. Don't over use the ol' lyrium, okay?

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

I always find this part of the lyrium codex disturbing:
"Lyrium has its costs, however. Prolonged use becomes addictive, the cravings unbearable. Over time, templars grow disoriented, incapable of distinguishing memory from present, or dream from waking. They frequently become paranoid as their worst memories and nightmares haunt their waking hours. Mages have additionally been known to suffer physical mutation: The magister lords of the Tevinter Imperium were widely reputed to have been so affected by their years of lyrium use that they could not be recognized by their own kin, nor even as creatures that had once been human."

 

Well, that all sounds rather daunting. I don't think we will be seeing this from Cullen (Greagoir seemed to be in his 50's-60's? And he was still mentally capable) but that still breaks my heart a little knowing that if Cullen is still taking lyrium, that he will have to go through all of that in the years to come.

 

EDIT: And then I just read the bit about Carroll........