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[SeekerOfLight]

Huh, the wiki intro even reads: "Carroll is a templar whose mind has largely been eroded by use of lyrium."
 
I didn't think this about him. He seemed cheeky but not crazy. 
 
I always find this part of the lyrium codex disturbing:
"Lyrium has its costs, however. Prolonged use becomes addictive, the cravings unbearable. Over time, templars grow disoriented, incapable of distinguishing memory from present, or dream from waking. They frequently become paranoid as their worst memories and nightmares haunt their waking hours. Mages have additionally been known to suffer physical mutation: The magister lords of the Tevinter Imperium were widely reputed to have been so affected by their years of lyrium use that they could not be recognized by their own kin, nor even as creatures that had once been human."

 

  For my mage warden, for the first time I'm starting think the shortened lifespan caused by the taint, doesn't seem so bad in retrospect...

 

Now, I'm hoping we can convinve Cullen to get off lyrium, convince him we'll make some enchanted anti-magic weaponry or something for him to use. That way the Inquisition will get to keep its general for a long time to come.

[The Elder King]

Hmm...doesn't anybody think that the lyrium codex resembles what is happening. To tHE RT? Is this something lyrium generally does (though I guess the Assumption the magisters did was far higher then what a normal mage of templar would assume), or...did magisters knew already of RL? After all, there were red lyrium in shots of venatori rooms.

About Harley Quinn's design, I...have no words. But my brother told me that they screwed up big time with the DC reboot, so I'm not surprised.

[Fialka]

On lyrium addiction - you do meet that one loopy templar in DA2 at the Hanged Man if you do the quests for the mage underground.  I don't think he's supposed to be all that old either (hard to say, with the character designs in DA2 I feel like none looked over 50). But then you deal with Elmeric, is it? The templar that's investigating the female serial killings. In-game dialogue confirms he's pretty old, but he seems completely fine.

 

I think it depends on how much of it you take.  If it's just your allotted weekly dose it probably takes a long time for the dementia to kick in.  But we also know there's a huge black market for the stuff, so there are templars who are illicitly taking a lot more of it.  Hard to say which camp Cullen would have belonged to.  On the one had he seems to be a very by-the-book straight and narrow honorable type, but I could also see him taking more lyrium believing it would make him a better templar, especially in the aftermath of the events of DAO where he's all like 'ALL MAGES ARE EVIL! YARGH!'

 

Regardless, I'm very interested to see the direction his character takes in Inquisition.  We already see his views on how dangerous mages are and what his role as a templar means to him evolve in the course of DA2.  I could never bring myself to side with the templars and support the right of annulment in the game, but I've seen the templar ending on the Tubes.  He's already questioning his prior beliefs, and seeing himself in a more protective vs. policing role when it comes to mages.  And that's before Meredith goes all crazy and becomes a very potent example of how any person, mage or no, can become corrupt with power and wreak havoc.

[Galagraphia]

 
...again...
 

Yeah, I remember that. And also WoT makes it look like mages totally get addicted. So I'm hopind they've managed to implement it at last. But if not, then I'll just RP it myself. In DAO I managed to avoid taking lyrium potions after I've discovered blood magic, but I think in DAI mana won't be restored over time, and there will be no blood magic (because Cass would just decapitate us for trying, lol, massive trigger for her), and poor Quizzy will have to rely on lyrium. Unless there's a spell to draw mana from the environment/dead bodies/glowy hand.

[Potato Cat]

I never thought he was crazy, either. Cheeky and maybe a touch scatterbrained, but not crazy. 
 
...Yeah, that is creepy as hell.
 
Dorian, honey. Don't over use the ol' lyrium, okay?

Yeah, until I read the wiki, I could have sworn he was just the village idiot that Greagoir placed outside to save him the bother of being traumatised by the Uldred situation. I didn't realise he was lyrium addled until I read the wiki.

[Potato Cat]

Anyway, I had a really vivid DA dream last night. There was minimal Cullen though so I'll put in spoilers.

Spoiler

So it was during this celebratory party, the Inquisitor's LI, (so this was Cullen the first time), notices IB's disappeared and sends you to look for him. My Inquisitor finds him in this sort of Fenris-like scene, where he's sort of sad and drunk in this dark room by himself. Out of the blue, he asks you about your stance on the Qun, and my Elidri was really positive about it, he seemed to have scoffed it as an outsider's perspective. Then Cullen came back and took us both back to the party. Then the same dream started again, but with a different Inquisitor who's romancing Vivienne. She was quite negative about the Qun, and then Vivienne came to take us back again, and then I saw the outcome of both choices so if you were positive about it, IB stays Qunari and eventually heads back home, and you can even follow him, and if you were negative, he leaves it.

[Galagraphia]

Re Carroll, aww, everyone forgot about him

I've always thought that Carroll was an example of how different people react to lyrium differently. He also seemed like the wrong person for the job, and he was making me wonder if that could have been Alistair, had Duncan not recruited him. Anyway, I got the impression that he was some kind of spoiled brat who didn't join the order willingly, and perhaps was abusing the lyrium potions to bust his abilities through that instead of training them, which made his addiction and cravings worse, and that's why he needed more lyrium than Greagoir allowed him to take.

[LolaLei]

Bwahahaha! I've never seen this codex before. 
 
Manual: Templar
"A is for Abomination: The Templar's Alphabet." A book that explains what templars do, and how they do it.

 

Is that legit?! LMAO!!!

[Potato Cat]

Is that legit?! LMAO!!!

It might be Hunchback of Notre Dame reference. Frollo's alphabet is A is for Abomination, B is for Blasphemy, C is for Contrition, D is for Damnation and E is for Eternal Damnation.

[Char]

Aww god, I better make sure my Inquisitor has practical sleep attire then, and since I always imagined Cullen sleeping in the nude it could be best to invest in some some PJ's for him too 

I'm now imagining my Inquisitor fighting off an invasion in a fluffy polka-dot onesie, with Cullen rushing around mustering troops in her dressing gown

Very specific I know. Also highly amusing

[LolaLei]

I was just having a quick playthrough of the Witch Hunt DLC and the timeline really doesn't add up. The gossiping mages say that Cullen was sent to Greenfell, right? But then the two mages in the library speak of Kirkwall, the refugee camp and the Templars at the Gallows general ruling with an iron fist. By this point it's been a year since the Blight happened, so Cullen would be Knight Captain serving under Meredith at that time.

 

Sooooo, either Greagoir told the mages that Cullen had been sent to Greenfell to recover in order not to upset them thinking that he'd be running around Kirkwall being a jerk, OR they borked the timeline, lol!

[LolaLei]

Aww, baby is roughly in his late thirties then! I like me an older gentleman. Kukuku. 

 

Nope, he's in his early to mid 30's at the most, lol.

[LolaLei]

Hmm...doesn't anybody think that the lyrium codex resembles what is happening. To tHE RT? Is this something lyrium generally does (though I guess the Assumption the magisters did was far higher then what a normal mage of templar would assume), or...did magisters knew already of RL? After all, there were red lyrium in shots of venatori rooms.

About Harley Quinn's design, I...have no words. But my brother told me that they screwed up big time with the DC reboot, so I'm not surprised.

 

For sure! The red lyrium seems to accelerate things, so where as it would take a number of years to start suffering side effects of regular lyrium, with red lyrium it happens far quicker... which explains why they're all mad and in various stages of mutation when our Inquisitor encounters them!

[Fialka]

I was just having a quick playthrough of the Witch Hunt DLC and the timeline really doesn't add up. The gossiping mages say that Cullen was sent to Greenfell, right? But then the two mages in the library speak of Kirkwall, the refugee camp and the Templars at the Gallows general ruling with an iron fist. By this point it's been a year since the Blight happened, so Cullen would be Knight Captain serving under Meredith at that time.

 

Sooooo, either Greagoir told the mages that Cullen had been sent to Greenfell to recover in order not to upset them thinking that he'd be running around Kirkwall being a jerk, OR they borked the timeline, lol!

I say they borked the timeline.  Like a lot  Even the timeline for the whole Anders comes to Kirkwall thing is super messed up.  Seeing how the end of Awakening (even if you ignore the epilogues) is about a year and eight months after the beginning of the blight - doesn't give him time to get possessed/deal with templar wardens (if you take that short story by his DA2 writer on wiki as canon)/get to Kirkwall and set up shop.  Had they just made Hawke's indentured servitude last two years instead of one it would have made everything make a whole lot more sense.  Though yes, I noticed that dialogue re:Cullen as well.  Witch Hunt takes place a year after the blight's end, so... yeah.  

 

It occurred to me Greagoir might have lied as well, but for what purpose?  He's not exactly to type to mince words or sugarcoat anything.

[R2s Muse]

I was just having a quick playthrough of the Witch Hunt DLC and the timeline really doesn't add up. The gossiping mages say that Cullen was sent to Greenfell, right? But then the two mages in the library speak of Kirkwall, the refugee camp and the Templars at the Gallows general ruling with an iron fist. By this point it's been a year since the Blight happened, so Cullen would be Knight Captain serving under Meredith at that time.

Sooooo, either Greagoir told the mages that Cullen had been sent to Greenfell to recover in order not to upset them thinking that he'd be running around Kirkwall being a jerk, OR they borked the timeline, lol!

well, Hawke wasn't the first refugee to get to Kirkwall, and she doesn't meet Cullen for a year after she arrives. I think it could all fit, provided he was only in Greenfell for a few months. (Edit: but yeah, I think the timeline is also borked. The 9:32 timing for Witch Hunt is hard to justify.)

[LolaLei]

I say they borked the timeline.  Like a lot  Even the timeline for the whole Anders comes to Kirkwall thing is super messed up.  Seeing how the end of Awakening (even if you ignore the epilogues) is about a year and eight months after the beginning of the blight - doesn't give him time to get possessed/deal with templar wardens (if you take that short story by his DA2 writer on wiki as canon)/get to Kirkwall and set up shop.  Had they just made Hawke's indentured servitude last two years instead of one it would have made everything make a whole lot more sense.  Though yes, I noticed that dialogue re:Cullen as well.  Witch Hunt takes place a year after the blight's end, so... yeah.  

 

It occurred to me Greagoir might have lied as well, but for what purpose?  He's not exactly to type to mince words or sugarcoat anything.

 

They could just write in that he kept it quiet because he didn't want word getting out to the mages in Kirkwall about Cullen's past. Hell, his crush on the female mage Warden managed to find its way up there, so they obviously have some way of passing on gossip, lol. Also, I guess learning that he's serving elsewhere could upset some of the mages that Cullen was cruel to before they sent him away, so it would be better for all parties involved to just let them assume that he got sent to Greenfell to recover and never came back.

[LolaLei]

Interesting that they never mention his stint in Greenfell in his inital codex entry either.

[R2s Muse]

Or by the time the mages are gossiping, he's already gone to Kirkwall. They just aren't privy to that. They seem to expect him to only come back once he has leveled out. So perhaps they figure he's still there only because he hasn't returned.

[R2s Muse]

Interesting that they never mention his stint in Greenfell in his inital codex entry either.

true. Maybe instead of Greenfell it was supposed to be pronounced "Kirkwall". LOL

[LolaLei]

Or by the time the mages are gossiping, he's already gone to Kirkwall. They just aren't privy to that. They seem to expect him to only come back once he has leveled out. So perhaps they figure he's still there only because he hasn't returned.

 

True, they may have sent him a month or so after the broken circle quest or something. It's interesting how they say he was twitchy with an intense stare, I can only presume they were talking about what he was like after he'd been tortured. Either way, I set the pair of them alight... not that it does anything to them, but it made me feel better, LOL!

[LolaLei]

true. Maybe instead of Greenfell it was supposed to be pronounced "Kirkwall". LOL

 

LOL, yeah they misheard it!

[R2s Muse]

I hope if you romance him you can ask him questions about all that as you get to know him.

[Fialka]

Yeah, you could definitely make it work, in Cullen's case anyway.  i figure Greagoir did in fact send him to Greenfell, then quietly arranged for him to go to Kirkwall in the meantime.  Still doesn't really explain the Anders thing.

 

I tend to just headcanon that the Hawke's left Lothering a good month or so after our Warden stops through, and it take another month plus of travel time before THE YEAR begins.  We can also speculate that Hawke and sibling spent a few months doing odd jobs and such after said year ends before that fated meeting with Varric. Varric just glosses over all that for the sake of a smoother narrative.  Gives Cullen a bit more wiggle room to rise through the ranks as well.

[littlenikki]

I was just having a quick playthrough of the Witch Hunt DLC and the timeline really doesn't add up. The gossiping mages say that Cullen was sent to Greenfell, right? But then the two mages in the library speak of Kirkwall, the refugee camp and the Templars at the Gallows general ruling with an iron fist. By this point it's been a year since the Blight happened, so Cullen would be Knight Captain serving under Meredith at that time.

 

Sooooo, either Greagoir told the mages that Cullen had been sent to Greenfell to recover in order not to upset them thinking that he'd be running around Kirkwall being a jerk, OR they borked the timeline, lol!

 

Wasn't Cullen included in DA2 after they had already started making the game as an afterthought? Like, there was another random old guy but then they decided to make him Cullen for some unknown reason (that I am totally not going to question just accept with a big smile) I wonder, do you guys think Cullen was always planned to be an advisor? They said in a few interviews (Twitch I think for E3) that they started working on Inquisition around the time that Origin was launched. 

[LolaLei]

Wasn't Cullen included in DA2 after they had already started making the game as an afterthought? Like, there was another random old guy but then they decided to make him Cullen for some unknown reason (that I am totally not going to question just accept with a big smile) I wonder, do you guys think Cullen was always planned to be an advisor? They said in a few interviews (Twitch I think for E3) that they started working on Inquisition around the time that Origin was launched. 

 

I've no idea, I'm hoping that one of the writers/devs could actually answer it. I guess we could ask them about his DA2 involvement, but I don't know which writer would be best to ask.