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*snip*

DAMN IT, I just want to high five him! 

Exactly!

 

I can definitely see him having a crisis of faith - seems to be a common theme among all the companions we've met so far - established beliefs being challenged, people's worldviews being shaken.  I can see Cullen questioning his faith not only in the templar order, but in the Chantry as an institution. (What the Chantry wants vs. what the Maker/Andraste would want.)  I can actually see this being the reason the Divine appoints him to the Inquisition - what we know about her so far suggests she's pretty progressive in her views, and such a person would impress her far more than a zealot who blindly follows Chantry dogma.


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Oh my gosh, I just noticed the hairy leg! I didn't even see that you had mentioned it. This picture cracks me up!

Oh my god!  How did I miss that one!? Ahahahaha, the facial expressions are fabulous.

 

And seeing how my Solona Amell version 2.0 became a blood mage...

 

*snicker*



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I don't know. I suspect not. But it's on youtube=] In English. Sounds pretty close to the original.

 

I think the only Russian movies I have seen were the first two movies in the Nights Watch trilogy. Oh yay, it's in English! I'm such a sucker for wartime movies, I bawl my eyes out every time I watch Schindler's List  :crying:



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Alright... R2, you know I love you, but this is really bugging me. I'd really like to just laugh and let it go... but I can't. I don't think you'd do something intentionally hurtful, but I'm not sure you understand what you're laughing at.

 

*snip well-constructed rant*

This disturbs me and makes me want to "spork" the beta reader who did this to you. I don't understand exactly what that (sporking) is as I'm not a writer, but it sounds like she raked you over the coals, and that's just not right. When someone puts something they have created 'out there', there's always a piece of that person inside that creation and there is absolutely no reason to ridicule or demean them. While I may not be a writer, and I don't know what all beta-reading entails, I *have* done a lot of proof-reading for others and whether it's a story or a technical document, my pointing out of any glaring flaws are always kind, with suggestions on how to fix. Whether they take the advice is completely up to them - it's their work, their creation, and their vision.

 

I have a real problem with people who treat others badly, and I'm so sorry that person did that to you. I hope you continue to write, berelinde, as I'm sure many would love to read what you have to say.


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Exactly!

 

I can definitely see him having a crisis of faith - seems to be a common theme among all the companions we've met so far - established beliefs being challenged, people's worldviews being shaken.  I can see Cullen questioning his faith not only in the templar order, but in the Chantry as an institution. (What the Chantry wants vs. what the Maker/Andraste would want.)  I can actually see this being the reason the Divine appoints him to the Inquisition - what we know about her so far suggests she's pretty progressive in her views, and such a person would impress her far more than a zealot who blindly follows Chantry dogma.

 

A crisis in faith in the Order, definitely. I'm not too sure about the Chantry, but hypothetically if he did start to view it as being corrupt there would be no way he'd ever lose his faith in the teachings of the Maker and Andraste, so I agree with you there. I'm not sure if the Divine would appoint him to the Inquisition per say, but if he does come to have a connection to her in same way on a face to face level then I can see that being what leads him to becoming the Military adviser for the Inquisition. I'm just not sure how the beginning is all going to plan out, I have speculated about it so much and also read other peoples theories as well, that I just don't know what to think anymore. HURRY UP OCTOBER! I NEED TO KNOW!   

 

Oh my god!  How did I miss that one!? Ahahahaha, the facial expressions are fabulous.

 

And seeing how my Solona Amell version 2.0 became a blood mage...

 

*snicker*

 

I know! Though I think Cullen might be high on lyrium and Jowan is giddy from blood lose  :P


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I think the only Russian movies I have seen were the first two movies in the Nights Watch trilogy. Oh yay, it's in English! I'm such a sucker for wartime movies, I bawl my eyes out every time I watch Schindler's List  :crying:

Watch it! You will cry your soul out, I promise you that! Soviet wartime movies are the biggest feels generator. It's like Game of Thrones, but more tasteful - less blood, no sex, but everybody dies. If you like a character - they will probably die.

 

Back to Cullen, do you think we will see his reaction to that romance Varric wrote about a templar knight-captain and a guardsman? Do you think Cullen will get mad about it?  :lol: Or maybe we will find out that Cullen commissioned Varric to write it!


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Alright... R2, you know I love you, but this is really bugging me. I'd really like to just laugh and let it go... but I can't. I don't think you'd do something intentionally hurtful, but I'm not sure you understand what you're laughing at.
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It probably seems as if I'm blowing this way out of proportion, but a lot of established writers don't realize how little it takes to put someone off writing forever. Calling someone out for writing an improbably competent female lead is a lot less damaging than telling someone that the very way she expresses herself is *wrong*.

I think it's a joke aimed at fantasy fiction in general, berelinde. Not fan fiction.

It was suggested as a way to pass time while editing fanfic.

 
Ok. So, it seems that this has hit a nerve for you, berelinde, and for that I'm sorry. To reiterate thats1evildude, the original cards were intended for fantasy fiction in general, with no mention of fanfiction at all. I personally think it's interesting to see that so many tropes and styles can be so common within a certain genre. This is not a hit on fanfic, nor was it intended to be by the creator or me. *I* mentioned fanfic, because that's what most of us write, because I am assuming most of us are not professional writers. And DA fanfic is fantasy.

Is it making fun of writing? or writers? or fanfic?? Well, I admit, I've only seen a few cards, but the fact that my first one had [sexism] as the central box, I thought was rather on the nose about fantasy fiction. Because in a world with warriors and sorcerers, sadly, we often see boob windows and "hey,sweetheart" testosterone moments. We even see it within the Dragon Age world, despite the writers best intentions. Does this mean I'm making fun of fantasy writers? That was not my intention. I think that it's good to recognize trends and tropes, even if we still use them sometimes. Joking about grammar in writing? Passive voice? Common use of the word 'burst'? That doesn't mean someone's a bad writer. I'm not even convinced that it means that person is very 'fantasy' writer, whatever that may entail. To my view, a bingo card is about recognizing things that happen frequently. It's not the "pick out writing flaws and laugh at them" bingo card, and I'm sorry you seem to interpret it this way. If it had been that, it would've been full of writing errors, like comma splices, dangling modifiers, and run on sentences.

As to whether it, and myself, are intending to discourage fanfiction writing. Well, admittedly, writing fanfic can be nail  biting. But I come from the perspective that fanfic writing is just writing. If we're hoping to write in the fantasy genre, it can't hurt to be self-reflexive about what makes it fantasy writing. 


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Watch it! You will cry your soul out, I promise you that! Soviet wartime movies are the biggest feels generator. It's like Game of Thrones, but more tasteful - less blood, no sex, but everybody dies. If you like a character - they will probably die.

 

Back to Cullen, do you think we will see his reaction to that romance Varric wrote about a templar knight-captain and a guardsman? Do you think Cullen will get mad about it?  :lol: Or maybe we will find out that Cullen commissioned Varric to write it!

 

God, I hope he doesn't even know about it but somehow Varric just has a whole crate full of copies that never got sold and leaves random pages around the Keep for Cullen to find. But then other companion's start to find them and get really interested in the story and beg Varric for full copies that they can read while Cullen stands in the corner of the room red faced and fists clenched. I would laugh so hard!

 

But then the Inquisitor can write their own friend fiction about her/him and Cullen and they start to leave a page a day on his bed so Cullen stops caring about the stuff that Varric wrote and starts to look forward to his own private little story.................

 

I would also burst with laughter if Cullen had commissioned it lol naughty boy! :lol:  


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Merrill's were pretty bad as well. And what's up with the age spots? Lol. Anders and Hawke had them. Two spots on their hand. I thought maybe they were freckles but the hands were pale and it idk it just reminded me of age spots. They're too young for that, lol.

It's seborrheic keratosis, a common skin condition. I've got the same spots on my right wrist and forearm.



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BTW, what's a friend fiction? 



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BTW, what's a friend fiction? 

 

Like, just say Isabela wrote a smut story about herself and Sebastian or about Hawke and Fenris. Friend fiction lol 

 

EDIT: Cullen for top  :D

 

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lol, it would be funny if Cullen wrote something like that himself. I want him to have a silly hobby :) Because he's always so serious  :lol: You can't be always serious, it's boring!

 

Edit: I think you gave the wrong link to the artist. It's Sirinne

Oh, it's the same person, she just moved her paintings to another account :)



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lol, it would be funny if Cullen wrote something like that himself. I want him to have a silly hobby :) Because he's always so serious  :lol: You can't be always serious, it's boring!

 

Agree! I swear, if Cullen wrote friend fiction about himself and the Inquisitor...I'd be smiling for days! I want to see him playing with a mabari puppy. I kind of have that scene in my head from the original Pride and Prejudice movie (BBC version) where Darcy is looking out the window and watches Elizabeth play with his dog and throws it sticks, so cute! Though that's not a hobby, just an imagery of him not being so uptight. Hmmmm what other hobbies could he have?  

 

EDIT: Maybe one of his hobbies could be singing? Or baking the Inquisitor cookies  :D

 

Double Edit: Thanks Gala. I must have gone through the other persons link to their favorites page and didn't notice they  weren't the artist. Good save  ;)



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I have a headcanon that Cullen cooks well, because it was a part of his work of penance in the monastery. :)
And that he makes up rebuses in his off-duty hours. Maybe he writes friend fiction in rebuses? Or dirty limericks in rebuses? They seem like nonsense, until you solve them, lol.


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Quick question guys, since in DAI romance won't be based on the approval system like DA2 or Origins, how do you think he would respond to a PC that disagrees with him on the Chantry and Circles, but agrees with him on more or less everything else?



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I have a headcanon that Cullen cooks well, because it was a part of his work of penance in the monastery. :)
And that he makes up rebuses in his off-duty hours. Maybe he writes friend fiction in rebuses? Or dirty limericks in rebuses? They seem like nonsense, until you solve them, lol.

 

 

Friend fiction in rebus form would be brilliant! I love how your mind works! You'd be wound so tight with anticipation trying to solve it when in the middle of an explicit paragraph. I can imagine Varric giving his nod of approval to Cullen, "touche, Templar. Touche." I'd love that, him taking something and putting his own little, intelligent twist on it  ^_^

 

EDIT: And LIKE!



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Quick question guys, since in DAI romance won't be based on the approval system like DA2 or Origins, how do you think he would respond to a PC that disagrees with him on the Chantry and Circles, but agrees with him on more or less everything else?

 

I'm really not sure simply because I have no idea on what his views are going to be. I can still see him as believing strongly in the Maker and Andraste (one of the reasons why I can't really see him being an LI option for a Qunari, but that's just my opinion). But when it comes to the circle, well we already know that he believed in the original concept of the circle but I don't think he ever really stated his opinion on the Chantry. I'm sure you could only speak to him about the Grand Cleric, rather than his view on the Chantry itself.

I think after everything he has seen and been through he might be less likely to judge someone on their beliefs as long as they aren't complete polar opposites of his own, or maybe I'm not giving him enough credit. I don't know sorry lol I wasn't much help in answering your question :rolleyes:   


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Quick question guys, since in DAI romance won't be based on the approval system like DA2 or Origins, how do you think he would respond to a PC that disagrees with him on the Chantry and Circles, but agrees with him on more or less everything else?

It may be that romantic content has nothing to do with political views. I remember in Baldur's Gate 2 (where I think BioWare first started doing romances?) there were no approval, and you could have these looooong conversations with your crushes, arguing about everything. I was romancing Viconia, she was neutral evil, and my PC was a chaotic good guy, and he managed to turn her into a neutral lady by the end of the game :) So, I suspect romances in DAI will work like that too. Also we will have icons. I'm sure that if a dialogue option will make Cullen hate you forever, it will have a broken heart icon on it. And everything else should be safe to click :)
 
Also, in DAII Cullen was open for discussion. He actually listened to what you were telling him, he was considering it. So maybe he will like to hear your controversial opinions, argue about subjects like the Circles, or Qun, but he will love you regardless :) Or maybe you will be able to change his opinion, like I change Viconia's alignment in BG2 :) That would be interesting.

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I don't understand exactly what that (sporking) is as I'm not a writer, but it sounds like she raked you over the coals, and that's just not right.

 

 

As to whether it, and myself, are intending to discourage fanfiction writing. Well, admittedly, writing fanfic can be nail  biting. But I come from the perspective that fanfic writing is just writing. If we're hoping to write in the fantasy genre, it can't hurt to be self-reflexive about what makes it fantasy writing. 

 

 

With all due respect, "Bwahaha this Fantasy RPG Editor bingo is hilarious for anyone editing DA fanfic..." makes it sound as if the target audience is editors, not authors. You are absolutely right, R2, when you say that it can't hurt to be aware of existing tropes and cliches, and self-editing is absolutely part of becoming a better writer. And yes, a good editor will point out things the writer missed. And no, there is no harm in having a little fun while you're doing it. But putting it out there like that, *without* the disclaimer quoted above, conveys a very different meaning.

 

Sporking is where someone goes through what you've written and adds Mystery Science Theater 2000 style comments that point biting sarcasm at specific passages, like Siskel and Ebert critiquing a really bad movie. There was also a drinking game that went along with it (it was amusing and would probably have resulted in a trip to the emergency room), but the hurtful part was that the beta-reader was taking weeks longer than usual to return each chapter because she was too busy writing her MST commentary to actually do any editing. In other words, she would rather make fun of what I'd written than help me fix it.

 

And that's why things like the bingo card make me uncomfortable. There's already a perception that writing fanfic is a members only club, erroneous as that may be. The opinion and endorsement of respected writers is solid gold, and condemnation by them is crippling.

 

It did hit a sore spot for me, and based on some of the mail I've received, I'm not alone. It saddens me to think how many people out there - how many of us - have had similar experiences, and how many of us are still too close to the pain to talk about it openly.

 

My experience with it is mostly behind me. When it happened, I was devastated, but years of reflection upon the beta-reader's personality, circumstances, and body of work have left me with the consolation that it probably was motivated at least in part by jealousy. And the work in question was my first fanfic, and I had no idea how to go about it. Ironically, I was allowing my style to be influenced by fanfic I was reading, which included my beta-reader's. But writing is like anything else. There's a learning curve, and everyone - everyone - goes through awkward phases as they explore new themes and expand their repertoire. I don't imagine that the knowledge that somebody might be turning a personal struggle into a game would help them find their confidence any faster.

 

But I do understand that no harm was intended, and that's important. :)

 

Anyway, as some have pointed out, this is a very serious topic for a Cullen discussion thread, and I do feel as if I'm dragging the thread down by discussing it, but as you say, R2, many of us are writers. The drive to create is strong, but so is the fear of ridicule.

 

TL;DR: I'll shut up now.


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Quick question guys, since in DAI romance won't be based on the approval system like DA2 or Origins, how do you think he would respond to a PC that disagrees with him on the Chantry and Circles, but agrees with him on more or less everything else?

I do hope you can be in a romance with him as someone pro-mage, without it moving into creepy rivalmance territory (i know some might disagree, but I hated that system). In Origins you could disagree with your companions about certain things, but as long as you were respectful and made choices that agreed with their general moral compass you'd be alright.  Hope that's the case here.  I can't really see myself playing someone very pro-Chantry/pro-Templar.  Not even for Cullen's sake.


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With all due respect, "Bwahaha this Fantasy RPG Editor bingo is hilarious for anyone editing DA fanfic..." 

 

*snip*

 

TL;DR: I'll shut up now.

I don't know about everyone else, but i rather like all these side convos you guys have here in this thread.  It's why I keep coming back - not just for The Cullen, but because there's always something new and everyone's very nice about it.  :)

 

I just got the hell out of the romance thread myself, after requesting a change of subject, because things were starting to get nasty.


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I don't know about everyone else, but i rather like all these side convos you guys have here in this thread.  It's why I keep coming back - not just for The Cullen, but because there's always something new and everyone's very nice about it.  :)

 

I just got the hell out of the romance thread myself, after requesting a change of subject, because things were starting to get nasty.

This is the best thread on the forum, hands down, simply from the way everyone is so great here - even when disagreeing on a subject. 

 

I got out of the romance thread as well, after reporting the post that started some quick degeneration. The mod was quite fast, but I don't think I'll venture anywhere near that thread again.


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This is the best thread on the forum, hands down, simply from the way everyone is so great here - even when disagreeing on a subject. 

 

I got out of the romance thread as well, after reporting the post that started some quick degeneration. The mod was quite fast, but I don't think I'll venture anywhere near that thread again.

This is a pretty standard theme in the thread. I know I came to the Cullen thread initially because I think I was curious about what other folks thought about his journey so far and where folks thought he'd go.  

 

I stay here because I feel like this is kinda "home".  Even if I were to drift away from the Cullen fandom a bit, I would still, I think, come here because of the camaraderie.

 

And as you said, even when we disagree, we manage to do it in a relatively calm manner. This leads to great discussions, rather than noisy arguments and I love that. :D 


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*snip*

 

Honestly this is why I never write fanfiction and keep my writing to roleplaying with friends and at the occasional forum where, thankfully, I've never come across nastiness towards my style. It doesn't help that I've practically taught myself where it comes to punctuation, grammar and passive voice because my school was sh!t at that sort of thing. I know I still mess up with all those things, as I'm sure those here with English majors and who are better writers can attest. Aha.

 

Anyway, keep on writing all you writers! I hope for that kind of confidence one day. :wizard:  


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http://dragonaging.t...-and-interviews

 

Couple interesting things!

 

New info from these videos:
• Some of the areas in the game are bigger than the Fereldan Hinterland area shown in the demo at E3
• The real-time roleplaying system means that you won’t be pulled directly into a fully-staged conversation when having conversations out in the world e.g. talking to a townsperson or someone with a smaller quest. You stay in control of the camera and you can walk away from the conversation like you can do in real life, giving you more agency
• Templar addiction to lyrium is addressed in the game
• Out in the world you’ll find things like beds, thrones and tapestries that you can put in your castle to customize it. Some of these customization options are purely visual
• There are different levels of choice: choices about tone (about defining what your character is to you e.g. saying yes to a quest reluctantly), vs choice with long-term implications that will ripple through the rest of the game and have big impact e.g. potentially choosing who takes the throne of Orlais
• The devs have been trying to move past choice to dilemna
• Deepest customization of any BioWare game so far
• The dragon is twice the size of what they had before
 
Emphasis mine, and I am even more excited~
 
This sort of thing will let us build completely different kinds of characters!

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