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So, which console are we all going to be cuddling Cullen on? I'll be on the PS4. (Used to be an Xbox guy, but my cousins all moved to Sony half-way through last generation.)

 

Not sure if cuddling will take place :( But I hope to be on the xbox one. Currently I only have a 360 though. We shall see!



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Just saw this on twitter:

Now that you’ve met a few of the followers, you’ve got some tough decisions to make. #DAI pic.twitter.com/qL6JwqYIf0

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It kinda bothers me that their idea of hyping the game is asking us to make a hypothetical choice based upon information that's still totally incomplete. They haven't even confirmed Cole and Scribbles' names for f's sake.

 

 

Yeah it's as nonsensical as people deciding what class/race they are playing or who they are romancing. 



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So I have a question for all you Cullen fans out there, and I'm not trying to be a smart ass or anything, just genuinely interested.

 

Out of all of the npc's out there, why do you find Cullen the most intriguing?

 

I confess to not having really paid him much attention in Origins or its sequel.

 

In DAO I was playing attention to many NPC's, Cullen was just one among the others. Tamlen was one of my favs, probaply cause I started with Dalish origin.

 

In DA2 other hand Cullen was by far my fav NPC. I think that was because he was there quite lot, I mean he has only few cutscenes but you can talk with him much more than most of NPC's, Meredith for example. And I liked talking with him quite much and hearing his opinions on events that were happening. Maybe Hawke loved debating with him :P

 

What makes him more intresting than other NPC's is that while he has been only shown rather small amount of the time in the games he has still played pretty big part like going against Meredith in the DA2. There has been change to see his growth as character as well, many other characters in the game doesn't have much or character growth at all (not meaning companions but NPC's). That makes Cullen intresting in my opinion.



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Ahm maybe we have a closest fan of *dun dun dun dun* "Fifty Shades of Greg" on our hands :D

EDIT: OH MY GOD TABLET, DO YOU HAVE TO CHANGE EVERYTHING AND MAKE ME LOOK LIKE A FOOL?

"FIFTY SHADES OF GREY" AND NOW ITS ON CAPS LOCK AND I DONT EVEN KNOW WHY!


I actually thought that was intentional.
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#39880
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I actually thought that was intentional.

 

I wish I was that awesome. I'm close to it, but not quite  :lol:



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My first Dai play through will be fem h mage and Cullen will love her!!! Lol

Didn't BW say class restriction was a possibility ?
Just imagine one minute that they decided that he had no sexual and race restrictions, except a particular class...! Did Gaider say that the fans could be a bit disappointed about what they did with his character ? Mmmmh, just wondering.
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Didn't BW say class restriction was a possibility ?
Just imagine one minute that they decided that he had no sexual and race restrictions, except a particular class...! Did Gaider say that the fans could be a bit disappointed about what they did with his character ? Mmmmh, just wondering.

 

Hmmm he could be refering to the class, gender, and (possible) race restrictions that they put on him. Food for thought, no?



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Didn't BW say class restriction was a possibility ?
Just imagine one minute that they decided that he had no sexual and race restrictions, except a particular class...! Did Gaider say that the fans could be a bit disappointed about what they did with his character ? Mmmmh, just wondering.


Naw, he said he suspected we'd be disappointed if they strayed from our "head canons" of him. We put him straight though. I think DG has come to expect people to rage at them no matter what they do, lol.
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Didn't one of the devs post that there wasn't any class restrictions? I swear I saw one of them mention something about it.
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Didn't one of the devs post that there wasn't any class restrictions? I swear I saw one of them mention something about it.

 

Allan said as far as he knows there aren't, but he'd also made clear before that that he doesn't personally know all the specifics of who is romanceable by whom.

 

I would tend to interpret that as there probably aren't class restrictions because Allan would likely know about them if they were a major factor (he seemed to be aware of the race restrictions) but I don't think it was intended as official confirmation that the answer is no. :)

 

http://forum.bioware...8#entry16762150 (last paragraph of the post)


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Didn't one of the devs post that there wasn't any class restrictions? I swear I saw one of them mention something about it.

 

*shrugs* Who knows what they'll do. All we know is that they stated that they're doing gender restrictions definately. Don't even know the order of even those restrictions. 



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Didn't one of the devs post that there wasn't any class restrictions? I swear I saw one of them mention something about it.

I could swear I saw something similar. Not DG though. Allan or someone saying they weren't aware of that being the case.



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I could swear I saw something similar. Not DG though. Allan or someone saying they weren't aware of that being the case.

 

Yeah, exactly, it was Allan saying he personally wasn't aware of that mechanic being used in the game, not making a definitive official Bioware statement that it isn't. :)

 



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I think DG has come to expect people to rage at them no matter what they do, lol.

And he's perfectly right ! :D
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So I have a question for all you Cullen fans out there, and I'm not trying to be a smart ass or anything, just genuinely interested.

 

Out of all of the npc's out there, why do you find Cullen the most intriguing?

 

I confess to not having really paid him much attention in Origins or its sequel.

I don't think he's the most interesting. There were definitely more interesting characters out there. What I like is that he's a simple normal human being, who had his simple normal life, his simple normal problems. He was a nice kid, he had noble dreams and ideals. And then suddenly he got caught in some kind of storm, and people he knew and trusted started going crazy and killing other people he knew and trusted, over and over again. And in all that chaos he somehow manages to survive and, although some of his views change, preserve his core beliefs. And I like him for that, and I'm rooting for him. Also, what happened to him in Kinloch Hold breaks my heart :( It was terrible, and it mentally scarred him, and the fact that he didn't become a crazy hateful person, the fact that he steps between his commander and an apostate mage after what mages did to him - it really makes me respect him, and his inner strength, and his ability to believe in people despite what life keeps doing to him.

He still has some innocence, and by that I mean the ability to trust, and it's precious.


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I don't think he's the most interesting. There were definitely more interesting characters out there. What I like is that he's a simple normal human being, who had his simple normal life, his simple normal problems. He was a nice kid, he had noble dreams and ideals. And then suddenly he got caught in some kind of storm, and people he knew and trusted started going crazy and killing other people he knew and trusted, over and over again. And in all that chaos he somehow manages to survive and, although some of his views change, preserve his core beliefs. And I like him for that, and I'm rooting for him. Also, what happened to him in Kinloch Hold breaks my heart :( It was terrible, and it mentally scarred him, and the fact that he didn't become a crazy hateful person, the fact that he steps between his commander and an apostate mage after what mages did to him - it really makes me respect him, and his inner strength, and his ability to believe in people despite what life keeps doing to him.

He still has some innocence, and by that I mean the ability to trust, and it's precious.

He's a warrior protecting/persecuting mages while having the power to hit them in the face with his god. That's not the normal "every man" story.



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Yup I don't find him the most intriguing of all the characters, that title goes to Cassandra. 

 

I like the fact that he isn't crazy (a rare thing in thedas it seems) and he is (or was  :( ) one of the only moderate templar viewpoints we have had in either game. He is steadfast in his convictions, but willing to learn and adapt to the situations around him. He is stoic, but still has enough of a personality that he shines where it would have been so easy for him to become just another forgetable npc. Plus, he's pretty much the only character to go through personal tragedy without him seeking to take his revenge at the expense of anything else, he recovers from it, and though scarred, becomes a better (and stronger) person because of it.


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He's a warrior protecting/persecuting mages while having the power to hit them in the face with his god. That's not the normal "every man" story.

We are talking about Thedas. His story is perfectly normal for that setting. It's the story of a normal kid, who somehow got into the Chantry system. We don't know why, but considering his pre-Ulderd dialogue, it was not to kick mages in the face. He actually sounds like he wasn't expecting that part. I assume he had some ideal image of a templar order in his head until he was given a sword and ordered to "kill it if it moves". In Thedas mages have a great power, but they are also feared and hated, and there is a moment when a mage is very vulnerable - when their power just manifests. So one of the reasons why templars look for these kids and take them to a safe place is to protect them from an angry mob and their own destructive powers. Wynne talks about in DAO, that not all mage kids are lucky to be discovered by the templars in time. And she has a point, because not all mage kids have a Malcolm Hawke to teach them and protect them. So, this is what I think Cullen believed was the purpose of the Circle - to protect these people and to teach them. This is the ideal. Reality is not so beautiful, of course. And that's what Cullen learns eventually.

 

I think he's  an everyman, because he's not some kind of big hero who fights to change the world. He's just a generally good guy, who got a difficult job, and he's trying to do it the best he can. What he is in DAI is a mystery for now, but this is where he comes from.


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#39894
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We are talking about Thedas. His story is perfectly normal for that setting. It's the story of a normal kid, who somehow got into the Chantry system. We don't know why, but considering his pre-Ulderd dialogue, it was not to kick mages in the face. He actually sounds like he wasn't expecting that part. I assume he had some ideal image of a templar order in his head until he was given a sword and ordered to "kill it if it moves". In Thedas mages have a great power, but they are also feared and hated, and there is a moment when a mage is very vulnerable - when their power just manifests. So one of the reasons why templars look for these kids and take them to a safe place is to protect them from an angry mob and their own destructive powers. Wynne talks about in DAO, that not all mage kids are lucky to be discovered by the templars in time. And she has a point, because not all mage kids have a Malcolm Hawke to teach them and protect them. So, this is what I think Cullen believed was the purpose of the Circle - to protect these people and to teach them. This is the ideal. Reality is not so beautiful, of course. And that's what Cullen learns eventually.

 

I think he's  an everyman, because he's not some kind of big hero who fights to change the world. He's just a generally good guy, who got a difficult job, and he's trying to do it the best he can. What he is in DAI is a mystery for now, but this is where he comes from.

I see where you're coming from. I just don't think the templars choose regular people. (read as untalented in fighting) : /



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I see where you're coming from. I just don't think the templars choose regular people. (read as untalented in fighting) : /

I understand there are different paths to become a templar. There are kids like Alistair, who are trained in monasteries since they are 10 years old, and there are guys like Carver, who just come to Knight-Captain and say, "Hey, take me it, I can fight!" I thought Cullen was the first type, he seems like a 100% Chantry kid to me. It's both his thoroughgoing opinion of the Qunari, his devotion to Andraste, and his ignorance of certain aspects of the mundane world. He seems like he never lived in this world on his own. But that's just my impression.



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I understand there are different paths to become a templar. There are kids like Alistair, who are trained in monasteries since they are 10 years old, and there are guys like Carver, who just come to Knight-Captain and say, "Hey, take me it, I can fight!" I thought Cullen was the first type, he seems like a 100% Chantry kid to me. It's both his thoroughgoing opinion of the Qunari, his devotion to Andraste, and his ignorance of certain aspects of the mundane world. He seems like he never lived in this world on his own. But that's just my impression.

 

Yeah, his narrow mindedness did sound like someone that's been stuck growing up in the Chantry system for most of his life. Time will tell, I guess.



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Yeah, his narrow mindedness did sound like someone that's been stuck growing up in the Chantry system for most of his life. Time will tell, I guess.

I wonder if he's still like that in DAI, or he had some interesting adventures between DAII and DAI, and now he's more experienced and tempered.



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I wonder if he's still like that in DAI, or he had some interesting adventures between DAII and DAI, and now he's more experienced and tempered.

 

I guess it depends how long he's been out of the Order? I mean, it sounds like his group was connected in some way to the Divine, so he's likely still part of the Chantry... that being said, he's probably been out and about in the world for at least a few months to a few years depending on what happened after DA2.



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I guess it's safe to assume that he didn't rebel with the other Templars (if he was still even in the Order by that point), so he's been out of it for amount of time that's passed between the Asunder novel and the start of DAI, lol.



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Do you guys think Cullen would ever abandon his faith?