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#4026
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I'm not saying his ire wasn't warranted, cause it definitely was. Even I was getting pissed off on his behalf. However, I wish he hadn't taken it out on the poor Twitter thread. :(

 

Yeah it's too bad they felt they had to do that. Maybe it will be re-stickied? 

 

Anyway, we're much better at posting tweets, so, bah :P I've got my awesome Twitter list that helps me keep track of dev comments.


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What was the 'cut' comment?

 

DG was bemoaning that they were entering the process where things they'd like to keep in the game but had no real reason to be there had to be cut. Some fans panicked, other fans declared there was no way the Devs would cut content already announced to them. DG quickly disabused them of that notion.

 

More panicking. Someone made a jokey comment about companions getting cut. Even more panicking. Allan and David threw some water on that fire and unsticked the thread.

 

It's why I'm not surprised they're keeping the companion-food things close to their chests. 



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What was the 'cut' comment?

It was this tweet initially:

@DavidGaider

It's that time of the project where I must kill babies to save puppies. #priorities #DAI

 

followed by:

 

 

Oh, you sweet summer child.

 

The main difference is that this conversation occurs:

 

"You think we should cut this? We've already mentioned it to the fans. They'll be upset."

 

"They'll be more upset if the game doesn't ship."

 

"Err...true. Cutting ahoy!"

He was obviously joking about it. So people were going nuts speculating on what had been cut.



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It was this tweet initially:
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It's that time of the project where I must kill babies to save puppies. #priorities #DAI
 
followed by:
 

He was obviously joking about it. So people were going nuts speculating on what had been cut.

  

DG was bemoaning that they were entering the process where things they'd like to keep in the game but had no real reason to be there had to be cut. Some fans panicked, other fans declared there was no way the Devs would cut content already announced to them. DG quickly disabused them of that notion.
 
More panicking. Someone made a jokey comment about companions getting cut. Even more panicking. Allan and David threw some water on that fire and unsticked the thread.
 
It's why I'm not surprised they're keeping the companion-food things close to their chests.


People are silly. At this point, it's likely just features that don't work as well as they want them to, or little side quests and banters.
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#4030
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It was this tweet initially:

@DavidGaider

It's that time of the project where I must kill babies to save puppies. #priorities #DAI

 

Wow LOL I read that tweet initially and was just like, aww, haha, how funny. (You know, SANE reaction?!) Although I also thought, sweet, puppies beat babies! Nanner nanner :P


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People are silly. At this point, it's likely just features that don't work as well as they want them to, or little side quests and banters.

Indeed. People were somehow thinking that companions could somehow be cut or some such nonsense.



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Indeed. People were somehow thinking that companions could somehow be cut or some such nonsense.

 

DG even made the comment that it would be impossible to include Mae as a companion because she entered the picture too late into the process... and WHEN were those comics published?! Like over a year ago?! So yeah, silly people, it's not THAT easy to just cut out an entire companion, sheesh!



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Yeah it's too bad they felt they had to do that. Maybe it will be re-stickied? 

 

Anyway, we're much better at posting tweets, so, bah :P I've got my awesome Twitter list that helps me keep track of dev comments.

As a moderator at a fan run forum, it's really a fine line as to when to bring down the hammer on a topic and I imagine since this is an official forum it's even more difficult. That thread has been warned several times to stay on topic. Yes, some discussion is going to happen and is accepted, but this seems to be happening more often of late. Pages and pages of off-topic discussion. IMO, they're lucky that the topic was only unstickied and not locked.


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#4034
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People are silly. At this point, it's likely just features that don't work as well as they want them to, or little side quests and banters.

 

 

Quite a few people think it might be the interactive party banter, because DG said they were having a little trouble getting to work right. Which is sad if true, but hardly something to panic over.

 

I'm trying to come up with a Cullen-related topic to converse. Hmmm.

 

Why do you guys think Cullen let pro-mage!Hawke leave in DA2? Fear? Respect? Did he lose his balance to save face pretended to have stepped backward?

 

I'd bet it was a healthy amount of fear with a dash of respect. I wouldn't blame him for it!



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Indeed. People were somehow thinking that companions could somehow be cut or some such nonsense.


"Hey guys? You know those Cullen and Cassandra romances? Gone. But don't worry, we all know how much you like Varric too, so we've decided to cut him as well."
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#4036
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Quite a few people think it might be the interactive party banter, because DG said they were having a little trouble getting to work right. Which is sad if true, but hardly something to panic over.


I probably won't be using it anyway. I'll be too worried about it making my Inquisitor ruin a companion's awesome punchline with just a crummy ol' sigh.

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Maybe he wanted to write a bald character. :lol: (Has he ever written a bald character?)
 
The follower (so that's the Dev term for 'companion') DG wanted to write is most likely Cole. I vacillate between being intrigued by Cole, and utterly creeped out about him. (Did DG write Justice, or was that Anders's writer?) He'd make an interesting non-standard companion. As much as I love Cullen, he's not exacting a mold-breaking character here, ya know?  :P He's been through some crap, but he's not a Fade spirit possessing the body of a youngster.

That was my first thought as well.



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"Hey guys? You know those Cullen and Cassandra romances? Gone. But don't worry, we all know how much you like Varric too, so we've decided to cut him as well."

BTM!! Those tweets were totally serious!! They forgot the romances and they just couldn't get them to work at such a late date so *snip*!!!! (She says with tongue firmly planted in cheek! :lol: )


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I probably won't be using it anyway. I'll be too worried about it making my Inquisitor ruin a companion's awesome punchline with just a crummy ol' sigh.

 

That is an excellent point!



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Why do you guys think Cullen let pro-mage!Hawke leave in DA2? Fear? Respect? Did he lose his balance to save face pretended to have stepped backward?

 

I'd bet it was a healthy amount of fear with a dash of respect. I wouldn't blame him for it!

 

Ahh I never see it as fear! Because I don't think Cullen believes Hawke wants to fight him and the other templars. I think it's more like he doesn't want to force this fight, and neither does he WANT this fight. Remember, Cullen joins Hawke in the final battle against Meredith. I think when we see him hesitating at the end (the little half-step) it's Duty versus Reason and Compassion warring in his head. He knows he shouldn't let Hawke go, but yet... his heart tells him it's the right thing to do, that Hawke has been right to oppose Meredith.

 

It's still difficult for him to understand and accept. 


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Question: Do u prefer siding with mages or templars in the DA2?

 

I like templar ending more and it's kinda my canon. Though I haven't seen many around DA community who prefers it, everyone is pretty pro-mage ^^; Well nothing against mage rights, freedom for mages and that stuff but I just enjoy siding with templars more. Of cource I can see more Cullen and hear his views on the thing but I also like how you can remain in the Kirkwall afterwards and even become Viscount of Kirkwall :D All power to Hawke ^^

 

I think the mage ending has some nice scenes as well like the boat one (it's pretty) but when Orsino does what he does.. it feels futile effort to me to side with mages.

50/50. If not for Meredith's batshit speech in the Last Straw, siding with the Templars would be much easier for me.



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Quite a few people think it might be the interactive party banter, because DG said they were having a little trouble getting to work right. Which is sad if true, but hardly something to panic over.

 

I'm trying to come up with a Cullen-related topic to converse. Hmmm.

 

Why do you guys think Cullen let pro-mage!Hawke leave in DA2? Fear? Respect? Did he lose his balance to save face pretended to have stepped backward?

 

I'd bet it was a healthy amount of fear with a dash of respect. I wouldn't blame him for it!

 

I think it'd be hard for him and templars to win over Hawke and his/her companions so probaply he was just going for most reasonable choice. Also he had developed some friendship with Hawke and he was against annuelment of circle.. he probaply didn't see much of reason to arrest Hawke like what to blame Hawke for? Maybe he was too shocked about Meredith too to think of his duty XD



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Quite a few people think it might be the interactive party banter, because DG said they were having a little trouble getting to work right. Which is sad if true, but hardly something to panic over.

 

I'm trying to come up with a Cullen-related topic to converse. Hmmm.

 

Why do you guys think Cullen let pro-mage!Hawke leave in DA2? Fear? Respect? Did he lose his balance to save face pretended to have stepped backward?

 

I'd bet it was a healthy amount of fear with a dash of respect. I wouldn't blame him for it!

 

Personally, I think he was stunned by what had just happened.  His mind was blown.  It was another confirmation that not everything in his world was black & white.  They had just fought side by side in a bloody battle, and he just...let them go because it felt right.  I always imagine him second guessing himself as soon as they are out of reach, though.  Not in a "I must give chase" kind of way, but more like "did I do the right thing" kind of way.  


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#4044
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Ahh I never see it as fear! Because I don't think Cullen believes Hawke wants to fight him and the other templars. I think it's more like he doesn't want to force this fight, and neither does he WANT this fight. Remember, Cullen joins Hawke in the final battle against Meredith. I think when we see him hesitating at the end (the little half-step) it's Duty versus Reason and Compassion warring in his head. He knows he shouldn't let Hawke go, but yet... his heart tells him it's the right thing to do, that Hawke has been right to oppose Meredith.

 

It's still difficult for him to understand and accept. 

 

OH MY GOD I never looked at it like that before!  :blink: I am so glad I asked this question because that is best thing eeeee!

 

Sorry. I'll clean that up.  :lol:


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#4045
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50/50. If not for Meredith's batshit speech in the Last Straw, siding with the Templars would be much easier for me.

 

True. For me it was like.. I don't agree with you but let's get this over with.

I kinda like to think that I'm with Cullen with the issue ^^; Just trying to get the situation solved out with as less bloodshed as it's possible.



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Gaider was pissed about all the speculation people were throwing around about that "cutting stuff" joke he made, and people were making mountains out of mole hills.

 

Frankly, I think lots of people overreacted to the overreaction. One fan makes a bit too much of the news, and instead of simply correcting him and moving on, people feel the need to not only point out that he was overreacting but also keep posting for 2-3 pages how one shouldn't overreact. 

I just feel like that thread's become much more unpleasant in the last couple of days. Which is too bad, I really enjoyed it before.

 

Edit: Sorry, I probably shouldn't have brought this up again :P. Don't want to derail the thread with my opinion about another derailed thread. Moving on.



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Question: Do u prefer siding with mages or templars in the DA2?

I like templar ending more and it's kinda my canon. Though I haven't seen many around DA community who prefers it, everyone is pretty pro-mage ^^; Well nothing against mage rights, freedom for mages and that stuff but I just enjoy siding with templars more. Of cource I can see more Cullen and hear his views on the thing but I also like how you can remain in the Kirkwall afterwards and even become Viscount of Kirkwall :D All power to Hawke ^^

I think the mage ending has some nice scenes as well like the boat one (it's pretty) but when Orsino does what he does.. it feels futile effort to me to side with mages.


I prefer to side with the mages because the act of the Chantry's destruction was committed by a mage OUTSIDE the Circle - so I believe destroying every mage is going way too far. Meredith was looking for an excuse, and she got it.

My pro-Templar Hawke sided with the Templars mainly due to the possible fact of rebel mages inside the Circle causing more trouble afterward, and the people of Kirkwal would want blood, so she saw no reason to resist and pull Kirkwall further into chaos. Better to make it quick and get it over and done with - especially when the Divine had her eye on the city. Hawke wanted to show that an Exalted March wasn't necessary, that Kirkwall could overcome this disaster.
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Personally, I think he was stunned by what had just happened.  His mind was blown.  It was another confirmation that not everything in his world was black & white.  They had just fought side by side in a bloody battle, and he just...let them go because it felt right.  I always imagine him second guessing himself as soon as they are out of reach, though.  Not in a "I must give chase" kind of way, but more like "did I do the right thing" kind of way.  

 

I always imagined that Cullen found it hard to reconcile his preconcieved notion that "Mages = Bad" when Mage Hawke continuously acts as a force for good in Kirkwall, especially if the Hero of Ferelden was a Mage Warden as well.

 

Cullen always strikes me as a guy who desperately wants to believe that the Templars are right about Mages being dangerous because it would make his job easier, yet finds himself constantly doubting it, especially when he sees Mages outside of the Circle acting genuinely heroic of their own volition.

 

And even if a Mage Hawke keeps Anders alive, it's clear they aren't fighting for his revolution and are furious at him for what he did. Cullen definitely had his eyes opened at the end of DA2 that the world has far more shades of grey to it than he would like to admit.


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*sigh* Unfortunately, this is Gaider we are talking about. He gets pissed, he shuts you down.

Gaider's love is a tough love!  :lol:

 

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My pro-Templar Hawke sided with the Templars mainly due to the possible fact of rebel mages inside the Circle causing more trouble afterward, and the people of Kirkwal would want blood, so she saw no reason to resist and pull Kirkwall further into chaos. Better to make it quick and get it over and done with - especially when the Divine had her eye on the city. Hawke wanted to show that an Exalted March wasn't necessary, that Kirkwall could overcome this disaster.

I've called it an act of surgery.


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