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[MacyNell]

So I wonder how long before we get info on the rest of our band of misfits... I'm usually fairly patient with these sorts of things because I enjoy the anticipation of it all but for some reason today I'm antsy. 

 

 

I don't know, but I can't wait to see Cullen as a BAMF.

 

I used to be a patient woman.  Really, I was.  I don't know what happened to her.  All I know is that apparently Cullen is a bad ass m***** f*****, and they won't show me A HI RES CLOSEUP OF HIS BEAUTIFUL FACE!  *sigh*  I am sorry...that was uncalled for.  Please, carry on.  Pay no attention to the weird lady over here banging her head against the wall....

[Liadan]

I used to be a patient woman.  Really, I was.  I don't know what happened to her.  All I know is that apparently Cullen is a bad ass m***** f*****, and they won't show me A HI RES CLOSEUP OF HIS BEAUTIFUL FACE!  *sigh*  I am sorry...that was uncalled for.  Please, carry on.  Pay no attention to the weird lady over here banging her head against the wall....

I want to see a good screenshot of him, the character profile and Greg Ellis video interview.  I can`t wait for those. *sighs* I just want more Cullen   (specially bad-ass Cullen).

[Riosred2]

Okay I have to be a real loser and ask what a "BAMF" is....sorry, i'm old.....

[Liadan]

Okay I have to be a real loser and ask what a "BAMF" is....sorry, i'm old.....

bad-ass mother f****r

 

Edit: don`t worry i`m with you, yesterday i had to check the urban dictionary for this one 

[Chanda]

And Mike said  nope.

[Riosred2]

Who called him a bamf? Dev reference?

[The Elder King]

Who called him a bamf? Dev reference?

Yup. Check Chanda's sign above your post.

[BFace]

And Mike said  nope.

To what? What'd I miss?

 

Edited to say: Nevermind. I figured it out. 

[Potato Cat]

IB's VA video:

And of course, I am insanely busy on the day of this news. I so was not expecting him to be voiced by him at all. It both explains why I thought he sounded familiar and raises the question where I've heard him use that voice before lol. It seems really weird coming from him, but it fit IB in game, so I'm not worried.

I thought we been told that the qunari would be Vashoth, meaning that they were never part of the Qun? Where's potato cat?
Ninja'd by Panda

Lol, thanks for the shout out during this. As far as I know, the only real difference between Vashoth and Tal-Vashoth is that the Vashoth don't actively oppose the Qun by being a general arse. It does suggest that we were never part of the Qun, and it is probably the qunari Inquisitor's background, but I don't actually think it's a definite. Hopefully, it's open to interpretation, but I'm not expecting it to be.

OMG Mister SMG is Iron Bull?? Mind blown.

Ikr? Now is definitely the right time for a Once More With Feeling quest! Or at least a SMG cameo!

Edit for ToP
http://velvetrue.dev...ullen-338025144

One of my favourites

[VampOrchid]

He's a hot bamf. So all is good. It would be cool if we get to see him more often then we think we're going to. All hail the bamf-ness and bow to the lion helm. Sorry. I'm lacking sleep and wanting much in the way of cake!

[rapscallioness]

 

you guys are amazing

[TreeHuggerHannah]

I actually agree with you. I want to romance Cullen with a mage, and i think that will be possible (unless they make class restritions) but i would be a bit desapointed if Cullen were able to romance a blood mage (i know we don`t have blood magic as a spec anymore). It just seems out of character for him.

 

I agree. I can't imagine Cullen ever being emotionally involved with a blood mage.

 

Tolerating a blood mage out of necessity, sure, under the right circumstances.

 

I just can't see him ever believing blood magic is morally right, and because his own sense of morality appears to be so strong I don't think he could be in a relationship with someone he thought was actively doing evil. A mage can't help being born a mage, but blood magic is a choice, and I don't see Cullen ever becoming okay with it.

 

But if I were choosing my class just for the Cullen romance, I'd still go with mage because otherwise I might end up with a niggling feeling that deep down, some part of Cullen never let go of a version of the "mages can never be our friends" thing.

 

As a general question, not specifically directed to Owlfruit Potion but to the thread as a whole:

 

If this were the case - if Cullen really was never able to completely move past this view - would it change how you see him as a character or how much you like him? I don't necessarily mean your Inquisitor, because obviously that would vary a lot based on the character, but you as player/Cullen fan.

 

No particular reason for the question, just curious.

 

Dare I ask what BM is?

 

In my world it means Behavior Management so the conversation was very confusing to me at first!

[TreeHuggerHannah]

So do you think he became a BAMF because of the events in The Last Straw?

 

To me, it seems like he always has been. I mean, this is the guy who was the sole surviving templar trapped in the circle tower at Kinloch Hold, who endured torture and demons and kept his sanity. He's the guy who was willing to single-handedly track down and confront a potential abomination within templar ranks. And who was finally able to stand up to Meredith and risk his own life to protect Hawke.

 

I think he's been pretty bad-ass from the start, and I'm glad it's getting recognized! I'm proud of how far he's come!

[Owlfruit Potion]

As a general question, not specifically directed to Owlfruit Potion but to the thread as a whole:

 

If this were the case - if Cullen really was never able to completely move past this view - would it change how you see him as a character or how much you like him? I don't necessarily mean your Inquisitor, because obviously that would vary a lot based on the character, but you as player/Cullen fan.

 

I would understand where he's coming from with respect to trauma, etc., but I would still like him much less as a person and probably a fair bit less as a character.

 

PERSON: I know mages aren't like any real-world oppressed class, are actually dangerous, etc., and I wouldn't mind if, after whatever happens in DAI, he's still more pro-Circle than I personally would be. But it's a big leap from "by circumstances of birth, this person presents a larger than usual risk of demonic possession and should therefore be watched closely" to "by circumstances of birth, this is not someone I could experience friendship with or love for". To me it seems like the difference between being okay with putting oppressive restrictions on a class of people because you think that's a lesser evil (insert obvious disclaimers about how this is also obviously not okay in reality) and legitimately believing that that class of person is not fully human.

 

CHARACTER: I guess the "everyman reluctant-hero has his moderate worldview shaken by horrible things that happened to him and comes this close to gaining his trust and goodwill back but in the end still falls victim, at least partially, to his lesser angels" would be a very edgy, tragic story or something but I guess in this particular case I'm just not as interested in that as in the alternative.

 

EDIT to put this another way: If they wanted to do that, they could have just left him where we last saw him in DAO and told almost the same story more concisely.

 

In any event, the 5% chance I would have originally guessed for Cullen being anti-mage-gated is now even less as of the comments in the romance thread.

[Phate Phoenix]

As a general question, not specifically directed to Owlfruit Potion but to the thread as a whole:

 

If this were the case - if Cullen really was never able to completely move past this view - would it change how you see him as a character or how much you like him? I don't necessarily mean your Inquisitor, because obviously that would vary a lot based on the character, but you as player/Cullen fan.

 

No particular reason for the question, just curious.

 

Hmmm, not really. Because mages are dangerous, and mages have hurt him, and mages can turn into abominations on a dime. A bad day could trigger a weakness that a demon takes advantage of, and Cullen knows this, better than most. So I wouldn't be able to blame him if, after Kinloch Hold and the Gallows, the writers decided Cullen couldn't move past it. That the fear of it, the knowledge of what's the worst that could happen, prevented him from taking that step. Even better if he acknowledges it.

 

That said, I think all three of our Specialists have to be pretty neutral, so I don't think it's likely to happen.

[CuriousArtemis]

If this were the case - if Cullen really was never able to completely move past this view - would it change how you see him as a character or how much you like him? I don't necessarily mean your Inquisitor, because obviously that would vary a lot based on the character, but you as player/Cullen fan.

 

I'm not sure I can judge based on so broad a description. But if I see the character hasn't evolved, or that the writers took shortcuts when portraying him, then I'll be disappointed and less enchanted with the character. What draws me to Cullen is his complexity, his depth, and his humanity. If he stagnates, I'm not particularly interested in him anymore.

 

But that's not going to happen. The DA writers are the best at what they do. 

[Potato Cat]

Hmmm, not really. Because mages are dangerous, and mages have hurt him, and mages can turn into abominations on a dime. A bad day could trigger a weakness that a demon takes advantage of, and Cullen knows this, better than most. So I wouldn't be able to blame him if, after Kinloch Hold and the Gallows, the writers decided Cullen couldn't move past it. That the fear of it, the knowledge of what's the worst that could happen, prevented him from taking that step. Even better if he acknowledges it.
 
That said, I think all three of our Specialists have to be pretty neutral, so I don't think it's likely to happen.

Agree with everything said here. He's not just some ignorant bigot, he has a legitimate reason to not be able to fully trust a mage again. But as Phate also said, I doubt he'll be class locked anyway. I do hope it's discussed in a mage romance, even though it won't affect me because I'll never romance him as a mage.

[Owlfruit Potion]

Unless he held Uldred in extremely high regard before Broken Circle and we just weren't told about that, I disagree that what happened to him is a legitimate reason not to fully trust any mage ever again. But I'm on my way out the door so if I try to elaborate it'll probably come out really stupid. Have a good night, y'all.

[CuriousArtemis]

I really don't care what side of the fence characters are on when it comes to political situations, so long as they are well-written, complex, and at least somewhat lovable characters Now I will confess that the exception for me is Loghain; I understand that he is exceptionally complex, especially if you read the novels, but what he does just doesn't sit well with me. It's just so fundamentally wrong and gross and cowardly. Ugh.

[Liadan]

 

As a general question, not specifically directed to Owlfruit Potion but to the thread as a whole:

 

If this were the case - if Cullen really was never able to completely move past this view - would it change how you see him as a character or how much you like him? I don't necessarily mean your Inquisitor, because obviously that would vary a lot based on the character, but you as player/Cullen fan.

 

No particular reason for the question, just curious.

 

I don`t think it would change how i see him. I don`t really expect him to change completely and start trusting all mages specially with his past trauma with them. But i would like to see him grow as a character and a possibility of a middle ground where he´s able to consider that some mages can be friends and trusted. But i believe he already showed some changes during DAII, he said that "mages can never be our friends" in act 1 but in act 3 he knows Hawke is a mage and he still trust him\her.

What i`m trying to say in this really confused/messy way (really Liadan!) is that i would like him to be able to trust, be friends or be an LI with the inquisitor despite is views towards mages in general, if he can`t then i will be disappointed. And that despite his views towards mages what i really want to see is a complex, interesting character that shows some growth compared with is small role in DAII, which, being a bioware character (and being Cullen a BAMF ), i don`t think i have to worry about  .

[Potato Cat]

Unless he held Uldred in extremely high regard before Broken Circle and we just weren't told about that, I disagree that what happened to him is a legitimate reason not to fully trust any mage ever again. But I'm on my way out the door so if I try to elaborate it'll probably come out really stupid. Have a good night, y'all.

Well sorry to argue since I know you're off, but I have to respectfully disagree. You're right he probably didn't care much for Uldred, but he clearly didn't hate at all before the Broken Circle. To me, that suggests he liked/respected mages other than Amell/Surana. Other mages that may have helped Uldred, or become abominations. Even then, speaking from personal experience, when you find out someone you knew, not even someone you were particularly fond of, when you find out what they are truly capable of, it can be a horrible, horrible feeling. Especially when it affects you and or your friends. And Cullen was tortured, severely. He probably saw his friends brutally tortured too before they were massacred. All because of someone he thought he knew. So that's why I see him as having a legitimate reason to not trust a mage like that.

[Rhea]

I don`t think it would change how i see him. I don`t really expect him to change completely and start trusting all mages specially with his past trauma with them. But i would like to see him grow as a character and a possibility of a middle ground where he´s able to consider that some mages can be friends and trusted. But i believe he already show some changes during DAII, he said that "mages can never be our friends" in act 1 but in act 3 he knows Hawke is a mage and he still trust him\her.

What i`m trying to say in this really confused/messy way (really Liadan!) is that i would like him to be able to trust, be friends or be an LI with the inquisitor despite is views towards mages in general, if he can`t then i will be disappointed. And that despite his views towards mages what i really want to see is a complex, interesting character that shows some growth compared with is small role in DAII, which, being a bioware character (and being Cullen a BAMF ), i don`t think i have to worry about  .

 

I think now he will understand that people can be good or bad, selfish or generous... regardless of whether they are magicians, warriors or whatever. 

[Phate Phoenix]

Unless he held Uldred in extremely high regard before Broken Circle and we just weren't told about that, I disagree that what happened to him is a legitimate reason not to fully trust any mage ever again. But I'm on my way out the door so if I try to elaborate it'll probably come out really stupid. Have a good night, y'all.

 

But, I mean, it wasn't just Uldred, though. It was a lot of mages. And, sure, most of them probably hadn't been blood mages, but they'd become abominations nonetheless. And they'd killed his friends, in front of him, and tortured him. Dragged his secrets out of his mind and over the coals.

 

And then, the Gallows happened. Sure, Meredith exacerbated the whole mess, but there were a lot of blood mages there. And here's Anders--a mage outside the templar control, a mage he probably knew from Kinloch hold--and here's Anders becoming everything the templars a trained to hate and fear, an abomination, a murderer, killing innocents, blowing up the Chantry. And there he was, beyond Cullen's reach because of money, because of the Grey Wardens, because of Hawke, who Cullen considers a friend.

 

And then Orsino becomes a blood mage too.

 

I mean, the ending of DA2 points to Cullen seeing that mages aren't all simply the larval form of abominations, but I could hardly blame Cullen for wanting to keep mages at a professional distance, if only to spare himself more pain. Cullen's a better soul than I, I'll tell you that much. I am very much a once-burned-twice-shy kinda gal.

 

GAH.  Sorry, sorry, word vomit, I know you're gone already but I wanted to explain fully my thought process. I don't think he'll adverse to mages, or be class-gated, but if he were I'd totally get where he was coming from.

[Fialka]

 

As a general question, not specifically directed to Owlfruit Potion but to the thread as a whole:

 

If this were the case - if Cullen really was never able to completely move past this view - would it change how you see him as a character or how much you like him? I don't necessarily mean your Inquisitor, because obviously that would vary a lot based on the character, but you as player/Cullen fan.

 

If Cullen could not move past his view of mages (assuming he hasn't already by the end of DA2 - his dialogue strongly suggests he may have, or is in the process of doing so), yes, I would be disappointed.   It wouldn't make me dislike his character, because I would understand to some extent, but it would make me like him a bit less.

 

He's had such a great story arc and personal growth in the game so far, it would feel like his character has, as another poster stated, stagnated to some extent.  If his worldview suddenly just plateaus, so to speak, then what's the point?  And then there's the idea that he might potentially be willing to be in an intimate, romantic relationship with a person he ultimately views as dangerous and not to be trusted.  It's a betrayal to that person, and to himself.

[Fialka]

Edit, because I have more to say 

 

Also, there is the fact that at the end of DA2, Meredith goes crazy evil.  She is corrupted by her desire for power and becomes a monster.  She is not a mage.  If anything he's seen a really potent example of how all people have the capacity for evil - no magic powers required.