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[BFace]

But, I mean, it wasn't just Uldred, though. It was a lot of mages. And, sure, most of them probably hadn't been blood mages, but they'd become abominations nonetheless. And they'd killed his friends, in front of him, and tortured him. Dragged his secrets out of his mind and over the coals.

 

And then, the Gallows happened. Sure, Meredith exacerbated the whole mess, but there were a lot of blood mages there. And here's Anders--a mage outside the templar control, a mage he probably knew from Kinloch hold--and here's Anders becoming everything the templars a trained to hate and fear, an abomination, a murderer, killing innocents, blowing up the Chantry. And there he was, beyond Cullen's reach because of money, because of the Grey Wardens, because of Hawke, who Cullen considers a friend.

 

And then Orsino becomes a blood mage too.

 

I mean, the ending of DA2 points to Cullen seeing that mages aren't all simply the larval form of abominations, but I could hardly blame Cullen for wanting to keep mages at a professional distance, if only to spare himself more pain. Cullen's a better soul than I, I'll tell you that much. I am very much a once-burned-twice-shy kinda gal.

 

GAH.  Sorry, sorry, word vomit, I know you're gone already but I wanted to explain fully my thought process. I don't think he'll adverse to mages, or be class-gated, but if he were I'd totally get where he was coming from.

I agree with all of this-but I also want to add:

 

I think, one of the things Cullen might hold to, personally, regardless of his affiliation (Or not) with the Templar Order is the idea that the actual *job* of the templar is to protect the mage as well as to protect people *from* the mage.  And I think that he might have to find a way within himself to work past the inherent trust issues between mage and templar that come with that idea. You know, the thought that he might feel like he *always* has to be on guard, so to speak.

 

I could certainly see where it would make for interesting story telling.

[CuriousArtemis]

And then there's the idea that he might potentially be willing to be in an intimate, romantic relationship with a person he ultimately views as dangerous and not to be trusted.  It's a betrayal to that person, and to himself.

 

This is a good point, and it reminds me of the Fenris romance (which is a similar situation), but of course there's the fact that Fenris and Cullen are two very, very different people.

 

I am not sure Fenris truly believes 100% that Hawke will not succumb to demons and betray him, even by the end of the game and if they are in a relationship. With Fenris, though, I'm not so worried for Hawke; I'm more worried for the unfathomably traumatized Fenris. I don't think Fenris would ever harm Hawke; I think he'd be more likely to just disappear. Still, it has the potential to be a forever uneasy relationship, with Hawke constantly trying to reassure Fenris, and Fenris never able to fully relax.

 

With Cullen, I feel we have a similar situation (although what he experienced at the hands of mages in no way compares to what Fenris experienced); however, it's potentially an even more dangerous situation because Cullen's background is not that of a tortured slave but of as a sort of overseer. Well he be able to see his mage lover as an equal, or will he always to some degree be wary around him or her? Does he go to sleep at night wondering if he'll have to one day strike the killing blow against the person he loves? It's quite the disturbing thought, and the unequalness of that pairing is partly why I'm going with a rogue inquisitor for my (hopeful) Cullen romance. I want them to be equals, and to trust and love each other.

[VampOrchid]

Dragon Age Inquisition Main Theme - Trevor Morris

 

Lead them or fall - Trevor Morris

 

Both of these are hauntingly beautiful. Still gives me goose bumps. I want this soundtrack meow!

[VampOrchid]

Oh and I forgot the map music

[CuriousArtemis]

I think, one of the things Cullen might hold to, personally, regardless of his affiliation (Or not) with the Templar Order is the idea that the actual *job* of the templar is to protect the mage as well as to protect people *from* the mage.

 

Yeah I definitely agree with this; I think he truly believes in those certain tenets of the Order, and that's one of them. Of course the end of DAO and beginning of DA2 made him veer wildly away from those beliefs for a time, during which he viewed mages as possibly less than human, but definitely inhuman. I think by the end of DA2 though he's back to his original way of thinking (and maybe a more mature and nuanced way of thinking than he's experienced in either game).

[alwayshungry]

[The Elder King]

Interview spoiler

Spoiler

The fact that the choice between mages and templars seem to happen early in the game, according to Cameron, makes me skeptical of truly ending the war. Though if definitely leads me to believe there'll be no compromise.

[TreeHuggerHannah]

In any event, the 5% chance I would have originally guessed for Cullen being anti-mage-gated is now even less as of the comments in the romance thread.

 

Yeah, it doesn't seem like the game has class-gating for romances based on that thread. Allan didn't know of any class-gating in the game, and none of the other devs have contradicted him or hinted at anything about class. It's not impossible it might exist, but at this point it doesn't seem super likely.

 

My question wasn't based so much on that, as my own musings about whether subjecting Cullen to being the object of my mage Inquisitor's affections is a bit cruel given all he's been through.

[R2s Muse]

I don`t think it would change how i see him. I don`t really expect him to change completely and start trusting all mages specially with his past trauma with them. But i would like to see him grow as a character and a possibility of a middle ground where he´s able to consider that some mages can be friends and trusted. But i believe he already showed some changes during DAII, he said that "mages can never be our friends" in act 1 but in act 3 he knows Hawke is a mage and he still trust him\her.
What i`m trying to say in this really confused/messy way (really Liadan!) is that i would like him to be able to trust, be friends or be an LI with the inquisitor despite is views towards mages in general, if he can`t then i will be disappointed. And that despite his views towards mages what i really want to see is a complex, interesting character that shows some growth compared with is small role in DAII, which, being a bioware character (and being Cullen a BAMF ), i don`t think i have to worry about  .

Just wanted to also add that even in  Act 3, he says Samson should have known better than to trust a mage. I actually read him as being traumatized by them at some level, and that this distrust pops out at unguarded moments. When he's angry, scared, reminded. That, while he may be able to rationalize the fair and moderate Circle, and personally ascribe to the notion that mages need to be as protected as the public, I wouldn't be surprised if he always has an innate distrust of what mages can do. Not deliberate, perhaps, but the unconscious fear from what he suffered at their hands. I could see him developing one-on-one trust with an individual who could re-frame that fear, like the Inquisitor, but in general, I could see him always having the deep seated, niggling doubt. 

 

... so basically like what everyone else already said, but more eloquently than I.
 

[Potato Cat]

Interview spoiler

Spoiler

The fact that the choice between mages and templars seem to happen early in the game, according to Cameron, makes me skeptical of truly ending the war. Though if definitely leads me to believe there'll be no compromise.

Yeah (Dammit Anders)

[R2s Muse]

LOL Poor Cam. They're all repeating themselves verbatim now...

 

And, the Keep is narrated! w00t! I didn't expect that.

[R2s Muse]

Interview spoiler

Spoiler

The fact that the choice between mages and templars seem to happen early in the game, according to Cameron, makes me skeptical of truly ending the war. Though if definitely leads me to believe there'll be no compromise.

You know... I thought they told us that the demo footage in Redcliffe took place a ways into the game, so this part surprised me. But agree. I don't ever expect a clean ending to that.

 

You know, I almost forgot that they once told us that the mage-templar war was not a central part of the game. I wonder if that's a case of "so, what I told you was true... from a certain point of view." 

[CuriousArtemis]

Aww, great interview by Kim! I'm really excited for her; she's really moving up She asked pretty good questions, too; she sure got some interesting tidbits out of Cam regarding the Keep! Man, I can't wait to get my paws on it. OH and it's interesting that your DAI decisions "flow back up" as Cam says... that's going to be interesting in terms of DA4 (many years down the road); I think I'm seeing how important it is to pair which DAO and DA2 playthroughs up with my various intended DAI playthrough.

[Potato Cat]

LOL Poor Cam. They're all repeating themselves verbatim now...

And, the Keep is narrated! w00t! I didn't expect that.

Ooh, I kinda stopped watching after the Keep was brought up. Lol. I wonder who's narrating it. Maybe this is Mark Meer's role?

[Fialka]

This is a good point, and it reminds me of the Fenris romance (which is a similar situation), but of course there's the fact that Fenris and Cullen are two very, very different people.

 

*snip*

 

Though the comparison could be made, they are very different - and their experience is very different.

 

Fenris' first real memory is of being given those tattoos - a process that is unimaginably painful - by his mage master.  He then spends the rest of his remembered life, until shortly before we meet him, being used and abused by mages, and surrounded by mages who do awful things for the sake of power. (Dorian's bio so far makes me think not all Tevinter mages are necessarily like this, but those that Denarius associates with almost certainly are.) With Fenris it would be understandable, even expected, that he never truly trust a mage character, or at the very least for it to take a very long time for them to earn it. 

 

Cullen, on the other hand, starts off mostly trusting mages, seeing his role as protector (people from mages, mages from people, mages from themselves.)  He has a terrible experience that understandably changes that, but then spends the next several years coming to terms with it.  And yes, there's lots of blood mages and abominations in Kirkwall, but there's also some really nasty and corrupt Templars, religious zealots, Petrice, Meredith, etc.  We don't know how much about all this he knew, or what he dismissed as rumor (what Gaider said about him being a good man makes it seem unlikely he turned a blind eye to it), but it still sets an example of things being not so black and white in the mage vs. non-mage argument.

[R2s Muse]

Ooh, I kinda stopped watching after the Keep was brought up. Lol. I wonder who's narrating it. Maybe this is Mark Meer's role?

LOL So *THAT'S* the Hawke cameo! 

[berelinde]

LOL Poor Cam. They're all repeating themselves verbatim now...

 

And, the Keep is narrated! w00t! I didn't expect that.

The Keep is narrated? Did you get in?!?

 

If so, awesome!!

 

If not, well, you're in good company. 

 

(Sorry if I'm jumping to conclusions, I just got home and probably hit "reply" prematurely.)

[R2s Muse]

The Keep is narrated? Did you get in?!?

 

If so, awesome!!

 

If not, well, you're in good company. 

 

(Sorry if I'm jumping to conclusions, I just got home and probably hit "reply" prematurely.)

LOL Naw, I didn't get in (I wish... altho I would've just broken my NDA). Cam said so in that video alwayshungry posted on the last page. 

[BioFan (Official)]

That interview was actually REALLY GREAT! The keep seems WAAAAYYY more awesome than I was picturing. 

[BioFan (Official)]

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I think you guys sre purposely holding back on Cullen to **** with us Cullenites 

 

David Gaider ‏@davidgaider

Again: added bonus.

 

 

 

Oh David. 

[R2s Muse]

So I'm finally watching the EA press conference on my big TV (wow, btw). Struck again by a brief thing Aaryn said about the Inquisitor. "Your past and motivations are shrouded in mystery." Again, I'm still convinced that we'll somehow start out in the explosion, no backstory, and we'll have to learn about our past along the way. Of course... how that works with the "prologue", I dunno. 

[Hellion Rex]

So I'm finally watching the EA press conference on my big TV (wow, btw). Struck again by a brief thing Aaryn said about the Inquisitor. "Your past and motivations are shrouded in mystery." Again, I'm still convinced that we'll somehow start out in the explosion, no backstory, and we'll have to learn about our past along the way. Of course... how that works with the "prologue", I dunno. 

I pray it's not an amnesia scenario when the Veil splits. I really don't want to be playing Revan again.

[Hellion Rex]

Interview spoiler

Spoiler

The fact that the choice between mages and templars seem to happen early in the game, according to Cameron, makes me skeptical of truly ending the war. Though if definitely leads me to believe there'll be no compromise.

You're probably right. God dammit. That seriously pisses me off.

[R2s Muse]

I pray it's not an amnesia scenario when the Veil splits. I really don't want to be playing Revan again.

Agree, it's cliche. But it can also be done well. I'm just so curious about how we may not even know if we had a hand in the explosion. heh heh. I hope we're not sure if we're aligned with the baddies.