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[wiccame]

I think with Cullen it'll likely be on a case-by-case basis. It might take him a little while to trust a mage initally but he'll get there in the end if that mage has proved his/her worth. Hell, if he's not class gated then he must be able to trust one enough to shag/get into a relationship with a mage Inquisitor, so some progress has been made, at least!

I am sensing a make or break point with Cullen when Cameron said you get to end the mage/templar conflict one way or another.

Standing up against Meredith is one thing, standing against his whole belief in the need for templars is another....

Romancing him as a mage just got so much more challenging......

[LolaLei]

I need to watch that again, I thought the soldiers were Seekers. But you may be right, and we fall out of the Fade after she started forming the Inquisition. Although this would make me wonder how did we survive in the Fade, because the Fade kind of sucks the life out of you. At least when you travel there mentally/spiritually, and not physically, like our Inquisitor apparently did.

Also looks like I missed an interesting interview? My tablet doesn't show videos. I'll check it out when I get home.

 

Lemme grab a screenshot, one sec!

[Xilizhra]

I don't know. Cameron said we can end the war early on, and he said we can support mages and templars, with the demo being part of a mage support playthrough.
I still think the 'war' they're referring to might be the one in Redcliffe, because it makes no sense to me how all the templars and mages in Thedas (or at least a number enough big to grant a definitive end to the war), are in the hinterlands.
And we have to keep in mind that Redcliffe seems the only area about the mage-templar war.

It's possible, true. Either way, it's all annoyingly vague.

[The Elder King]

It's possible, true. Either way, it's all annoyingly vague.

Well, I can see why they don't want to spoil too much of this plot.
What do you think of the mages' behaviour in the hinterlands, though?

[LolaLei]

Here ya go, Gala! It's slightly blurry but you can see it's the Inquisition insignia:

 

[Xilizhra]

Well, I can see why they don't want to spoil too much of this plot.
What do you think of the mages' behaviour in the hinterlands, though?

I've not seen the video, actually. Link?

[LolaLei]

I've not seen the video, actually. Link?

 

For the demo?

[Fialka]

I just re-watched the interview to confirm this, but Cameron sort of alludes to that fact that choosing to side with the mages or the templars might be optional.  He says you can (emphasis on the word 'can,' twice) pick a side, and that if (and then corrects himself and says when) you do it will affect the scenes you see in game.  So it might be that you can potentially take a neutral stance?  Hard to say, yet.  

[The Elder King]

I've not seen the video, actually. Link?

Oh, it's not for the demo. Is a letter of the former horse master of Redcliffe, who sId that mages Are killing people that look them i the wrong way and templars are executing people suspected to be mages/mage supporters.
I'll try to find it.

[The Elder King]

I just re-watched the interview to confirm this, but Cameron sort of alludes to that fact that choosing to side with the mages or the templars might be optional.  He says you can (emphasis on the word 'can,' twice) pick a side, and that if (and then corrects himself and says when) you do it will affect the scenes you see in game.  So it might be that you can potentially take a neutral stance?  Hard to say, yet.

I hope that, even if it'll cost me a bit.

[The Elder King]

Found it:http://dragonage.wik...iki/Hinterlands
It's the letter to Teagan.

[Xilizhra]

Found it:http://dragonage.wik...iki/Hinterlands
It's the letter to Teagan.

It definitely sounds like the mages need someone to organize them and clamp down on excesses (I have no sympathy whatsoever for the templars, who would have had that option if they hadn't betrayed the Chantry). Though it would be interesting to learn whether the mages being trigger-happy is the only reason they've survived this long (presumably helping them would involve convincing them otherwise, though)--it's a lucky break that the templars never bothered to take even a pretense of a high ground.

[The Elder King]

It definitely sounds like the mages need someone to organize them and clamp down on excesses (I have no sympathy whatsoever for the templars, who would have had that option if they hadn't betrayed the Chantry). Though it would be interesting to learn whether the mages being trigger-happy is the only reason they've survived this long (presumably helping them would involve convincing them otherwise, though)--it's a lucky break that the templars never bothered to take even a pretense of a high ground.

Hmm, I don't know if you know this, but Cameron talked about the start of the game, and in the prologue,

Spoiler

in a peace meeting between mages and Chantry the Breach event happens, killing thousands including the leaders. It's possible that the mages leaders in Asunder (Fiona, Rhys and Adrian) are all dead.

I don't justify either side for their behaviour in the hinterlands though. The fact that they possibly lost their leaders, or they aren't there isn't a justification for burning villages and killing people. Bioware put both in an equal position (which I hoped), but more gruesome then I thought (I was expecting this to happen, but not in the way it was described in the hinterlands).

[Xilizhra]

Hmm, I don't know if you know this, but Cameron talked about the start of the game, and in the prologue, in a peace meeting between mages and Chantry the Breach event happens, killing thousands including the leaders. It's possible that the mages leaders in Asunder (Fiona, Rhys and Adrian) are all dead.
I don't justify either side for their behaviour in the hinterlands though. The fact that they possibly lost their leaders, or they aren't there isn't a justification for burning villages and killing people. Bioware put both in an equal position (which I hoped), but more gruesome then I thought (I was expecting this to happen, but not in the way it was described in the hinterlands).

Oh, it's not justified, but that doesn't make them morally equivalent. Their actions in the Hinterlands might be mirrored, but the templars still have a malevolent end goal, so the mages will still always win. The only difficulty that'd ever arise is if the mages are behaving worse than the templars... which doesn't seem to be happening, so all is going according to plan, more or less.

[LolaLei]

It definitely sounds like the mages need someone to organize them and clamp down on excesses (I have no sympathy whatsoever for the templars, who would have had that option if they hadn't betrayed the Chantry). Though it would be interesting to learn whether the mages being trigger-happy is the only reason they've survived this long (presumably helping them would involve convincing them otherwise, though)--it's a lucky break that the templars never bothered to take even a pretense of a high ground.

 

I know one of the devs said that the leader of the mage faction gets killed at the peace gathering, so I guess whoever took over isn't too great at leading... well, that or the fact that he/she has gone silent inside Redcliffe castle could also be down to why the mages are just kinda running around not entirely knowing what the best strategic course of action would be, lol.

[LolaLei]

What I am interested in is how they'll show us the more moderate side to both factions since they said that the events in Kirkwall between both the mages and templars was the result of the extreme. Soooo, does that mean both the mages and templars in DAI are supposed to appear more sympathetic?

[Panda]

I just re-watched the interview to confirm this, but Cameron sort of alludes to that fact that choosing to side with the mages or the templars might be optional.  He says you can (emphasis on the word 'can,' twice) pick a side, and that if (and then corrects himself and says when) you do it will affect the scenes you see in game.  So it might be that you can potentially take a neutral stance?  Hard to say, yet.  

 

Well that's intresting. Maybe you can take more neutral approach? Personally I'd like to act as peace-negotiator with some of my quizzys.

[Xilizhra]

What I am interested in is how they'll show us the more moderate side to both factions since they said that the events in Kirkwall between both the mages and templars was the result of the extreme. Soooo, does that mean both the mages and templars in DAI are supposed to appear more sympathetic?

I think those might manifest from the people who join the Inquisition, such as Cullen. At least for the templars.

[LolaLei]

I think those might manifest from the people who join the Inquisition, such as Cullen. At least for the templars.

 

Maybe that's what they meant? Man, I wish they'd clarify what the current situation is a bit better! Not that it matters, I'm gonna be siding with the mages anyway.

[The Elder King]

Oh, it's not justified, but that doesn't make them morally equivalent. Their actions in the Hinterlands might be mirrored, but the templars still have a malevolent end goal, so the mages will still always win. The only difficulty that'd ever arise is if the mages are behaving worse than the templars... which doesn't seem to be happening, so all is going according to plan, more or less.

I wasn't talking about goals or being morally equivalent. Just equals in their actions in the Hinterlands.
I'd said years ago that in the case of a non-compromise/neutral approach (I'm still hoping from this, expecially if it might be simple ceasefire in the area, and Fialka's post gave me more hope), that I'd support the side which I'd agree more in goals and actions. With the goals still not known (other then defeating the other, we don't know exactly how they'll proceed after winning), their actions aren't really helping me choose one.
Thankfully I can play a dalish or a dwarf.

[LolaLei]

I guess it's safe to assume now that the red templars are definitely not what became of the rebel templars, lol. So, we've got red, rebel... and then the Divine loyal ones became part of the Inquisition's military under Cullen's lead? *Shrugs*

[The Elder King]

What I am interested in is how they'll show us the more moderate side to both factions since they said that the events in Kirkwall between both the mages and templars was the result of the extreme. Soooo, does that mean both the mages and templars in DAI are supposed to appear more sympathetic?

The rapresentative in the hinterlands are definitely making more sympathetic in stopping both with any means necessary .
It might be as Xilizhra said.
On this topic, does anybody think Solas is a part of the rebellion?

[The Elder King]

I guess it's safe to assume now that the red templars are definitely not what became of the rebel templars, lol. So, we've got red, rebel... and then the Divine loyal ones became part of the Inquisition's military under Cullen's lead? *Shrugs*

Yup, they're called in a different way, the ones in the hinterlands have no red lyrium weapons.
On this topic, do you think it's possible thAt as in the Redcliffe mage choice venatori come in, in the templar choice RT might come in?

[LolaLei]

The rapresentative in the hinterlands are definitely making more sympathetic in stopping both with any means necessary .
It might be as Xilizhra said.
On this topic, does anybody think Solas is a part of the rebellion?

 

He dresses like he's part of it, LOL! 

 

... I've always imagined him to be a bit of a nomad loner or something, likes meditating on mountains and studying Fade... stuff. 

[Xilizhra]

The rapresentative in the hinterlands are definitely making more sympathetic in stopping both with any means necessary .
It might be as Xilizhra said.
On this topic, does anybody think Solas is a part of the rebellion?

Stopping both sides will just make the war begin again... as, I suspect, siding with the templars would eventually.