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[brushyourteeth]

OT question, is there somewhere I can watch the warrior dwarf demo from E3. Last time I was around I heard it got taken down  I wanna listen to Iron Bull some more...for reasons....science and sh*t

 

It's on Youtube if you just search "inquisition dwarf"

 

they just put it back up again the other day.

 

Dwarf looks amazing btw. SO EXCITED!!!      

[ChachiBobinks]

I think sometimes it's hard via text to tell the difference between people who are being judgy, and people who just have their own very strong opinions (that don't intersect with, but don't have to lead to a confrontation with anyone else, either).

 

Things like romancing someone who might be a demon and might be a corpse are naturally going to have some very strong "squick" responses from people. It's going to be par for the course if you're a Cole fan. As long as nobody's being attacked personally, things should be right as rain.

 

That said, I definitely agree that things ought to be civil and non-Cullen discussions don't need to go on for pages and pages. Thank you for reminding us.

 

You're welcome. I'm gonna stop trying to be thread mommy now and let people go back about their business.

 

I love your sig line, by the way.

[Funderly]

Sigh, Cullen.

 

So it's pretty clear he isn't a templar anymore, right?  He isn't in templar armour.  I'm sure y'all have discussed this as some point, forgive me if I bring up old topics. 

[Panda]

Sigh, Cullen.

 

So it's pretty clear he isn't a templar anymore, right?  He isn't in templar armour.  I'm sure y'all have discussed this as some point, forgive me if I bring up old topics. 

 

Yea we have.. every other week.. doesn't mean it can't be discussed again XD I'd say he's taking break from templars and having temporary job as Inquisitor's general. I think he still plans to return templars (probaply the one's who have stayed loyal to Chantry) after world is saved and order is restored.

[Xilizhra]

Sigh, Cullen.

 

So it's pretty clear he isn't a templar anymore, right?  He isn't in templar armour.  I'm sure y'all have discussed this as some point, forgive me if I bring up old topics. 

Not with the Order, apparently. And not Red. He may or may not be with the Chantry, though it seems probable.

[littlenikki]

Sigh, Cullen.

 

So it's pretty clear he isn't a templar anymore, right?  He isn't in templar armour.  I'm sure y'all have discussed this as some point, forgive me if I bring up old topics. 

 

I think the ideas been thrown around that Cullen is leading a separate, broken off group of templars still loyal to the Divine and connected to the Chantry and its views of protecting mages from others and themselves. At least, that was the common idea last time I saw us discussing the subject. 

 

I can't wait to see how bringing Cullen along with us during Red Templar quests in particular will play out, how he can look at what the Order has become and his views on it. 

[ChachiBobinks]

Yea we have.. every other week.. doesn't mean it can't be discussed again XD I'd say he's taking break from templars and having temporary job as Inquisitor's general. I think he still plans to return templars (probaply the one's who have stayed loyal to Chantry) after world is saved and order is restored.

 

Yeah, it's still a fun one to discuss. And this time I won't bring up my Cullen-is-a-red-Templar theory so Lola won't have to wave her fist at me. ^^;;

[brushyourteeth]

You're welcome. I'm gonna stop trying to be thread mommy now and let people go back about their business.

 

I love your sig line, by the way.

 

THANK YOU!!! ;D   Yours is pretty fantastic too, if I may say.

 

To help things get back on topic though, even if it's still sticking with #strongopinions, I'm not really sure I feel comfortable with "drug addict" being a criticism of Cullen's character.

 

He was rather coerced into using lyrium in the first place, and we don't know the story behind his joining the Order to begin with. He could, like Alistair, have been practically given to them as an orphan and had little say in the matter. At best, you could still argue that he either was semi-brainwashed into using lyrium or didn't fully understand the ramifications of that decision.

 

And even if he had begun by using lyrium, or any drug, recreationally, I don't think it would be fair to hold his addiction/disease against him.

 

It's an interesting topic to me, because a lot of fans who are very anti-Templar are very pro-blood magic, but the writers have said that blood magic is addictive too. Though blood mage fans may not normally cite "addiction" as a reason to criticize templars as individuals, I don't actually know.

 

You guys have probably discussed this to death, but I'm curious: what do you think/hope Cullen will do to address his addiction in DA:I? Or Cassandra for that matter?

 

If you're given the choice between allowing him to suffer deeply without lyrium in the game or continue to let him use it, what will you choose?

[Galagraphia]

Are we talking about Cullen again? Or not yet?

*drops a Cullen bomb*

Spoiler

[littlenikki]

I would hope there would be a way to gradually wean him off of it, or at least lower the amount he needs to drink in order to function. If the choice is between allowing the addiction and letting him live with a clear mind, or cutting him off to eventual insanity, I'm unfortunately probably going to convince him to remain on the lyrium. I'm too weak to even try the sacrifice ending in Origins, or let Alistair take the killing blow. That'd be another situation where I'd let my heart rule over my mind. 

[Xilizhra]

THANK YOU!!! ;D   Yours is pretty fantastic too, if I may say.

 

To help things get back on topic though, even if it's still sticking with #strongopinions, I'm not really sure I feel comfortable with "drug addict" being a criticism of Cullen's character.

 

He was rather coerced into using lyrium in the first place, and we don't know the story behind his joining the Order to begin with. He could, like Alistair, have been practically given to them as an orphan and had little say in the matter. At best, you could still argue that he either was semi-brainwashed into using lyrium or didn't fully understand the ramifications of that decision.

 

And even if he had begun by using lyrium, or any drug, recreationally, I don't think it would be fair to hold his addiction/disease against him.

 

It's an interesting topic to me, because a lot of fans who are very anti-Templar are very pro-blood magic, but the writers have said that blood magic is addictive too. Though blood mage fans may not normally cite "addiction" as a reason to criticize templars as individuals, I don't actually know.

 

You guys have probably discussed this to death, but I'm curious: what do you think/hope Cullen will do to address his addiction in DA:I? Or Cassandra for that matter?

 

If you're given the choice between allowing him to suffer deeply without lyrium in the game or continue to let him use it, what will you choose?

It's not a moral criticism, more pointing it out because there are certain behaviors that tend to go along with and are caused by addiction.

 

As for your question, it really depends on whether one can safely withdraw from lyrium and be recovered, or if it's just debilitating with no real benefits.

[ChachiBobinks]

Are we talking about Cullen again? Or not yet?

*drops a Cullen bomb*

Spoiler

[littlenikki]

Ohh! Looking up that demo I found an interview from E3 I haven't seen yet, with Angry Joe interviewing Cam. I love Angry Joe!

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

Cullen is only romanceable by Dwarven Mages.

#SandalXCullen #ThugLife

[ChachiBobinks]

Ohh! Looking up that demo I found an interview from E3 I haven't seen yet, with Angry Joe interviewing Cam. I love Angry Joe!

Forget Angry Joe - Cam. Now visualize the reposting of that fainting gif, so I don't have to do it again.

[brushyourteeth]

In Asunder, Evangeline supposedly can get by only a few days without lyrium or she becomes weak and mentally incapacitated. And she only takes a few sips - not even a very high dosage.

 

So.... kinda depends on how long Cullen has been taking it? :/

[ChachiBobinks]

Cullen is only romanceable by Dwarven Mages.

#SandalXCullen #ThugLife

 

You go sit in the corner.

[Panda]

THANK YOU!!! ;D   Yours is pretty fantastic too, if I may say.

 

To help things get back on topic though, even if it's still sticking with #strongopinions, I'm not really sure I feel comfortable with "drug addict" being a criticism of Cullen's character.

 

He was rather coerced into using lyrium in the first place, and we don't know the story behind his joining the Order to begin with. He could, like Alistair, have been practically given to them as an orphan and had little say in the matter. At best, you could still argue that he either was semi-brainwashed into using lyrium or didn't fully understand the ramifications of that decision.

 

And even if he had begun by using lyrium, or any drug, recreationally, I don't think it would be fair to hold his addiction/disease against him.

 

It's an interesting topic to me, because a lot of fans who are very anti-Templar are very pro-blood magic, but the writers have said that blood magic is addictive too. Though blood mage fans may not normally cite "addiction" as a reason to criticize templars as individuals, I don't actually know.

 

You guys have probably discussed this to death, but I'm curious: what do you think/hope Cullen will do to address his addiction in DA:I? Or Cassandra for that matter?

 

If you're given the choice between allowing him to suffer deeply without lyrium in the game or continue to let him use it, what will you choose?

 

Instead of drug I see lyrium more as steroids or doping ^^ It's cause reason they take it and it makes their abilities work. Well this is with just playing with words cause there is really thin line what IRL are seen as drugs, medicine, steroids and other substances with similar effects like alcohol. Everyone of these can be addictive, can make you stronger and might kill you ^^ And other country's drug is other's medicine etc. So I think the motive and situation where Cullen takes lyrium makes it justified and not his fault so accusations of drug addict goes too far in my opinion.

 

I'd let him to choose. It's big decision and both sides have problems. Lyrium withdrawal probaply makes him insane for a while, he has been using that a long time already so I doubt it'd be easy to get him off lyrium. In other hand he will go insane if he stays on the stuff after some period of time, probaply couple years ugh..

[Funderly]

Cullen has shown to be remarkably strong willed.  Resisting the demons when Uldred takes over, rising to Knight Captain in a relative short amount of time, and resisting Meredith in the end of DA2.  I would hope that he would be trying to in some capacity, look for a way to wean himself off of it.  

[brushyourteeth]

It's not a moral criticism, more pointing it out because there are certain behaviors that tend to go along with and are caused by addiction.

 

As for your question, it really depends on whether one can safely withdraw from lyrium and be recovered, or if it's just debilitating with no real benefits.

 

It came across as a harsh criticism of others' choice of LI (flawed characters), which is what you were speaking out against.

 

Just bringing it to your attention.

[littlenikki]

Forget Angry Joe - Cam. Now visualize the reposting of that fainting gif, so I don't have to do it again.

 

Oh no, I didn't mean like that lol  I just really like his game reviews, usually pretty spot on.

 

Cam is a cool dude too, gotta love that accent! He used to be really interactive with a lot of us on the Cullen thread here, I miss those days  I'm really gonna miss the whole build up to the game coming out too, the anticipation and reveals are really almost half the fun.

[faerie dragon]

Sorry, I'm behind, but I thought this was funny!

 

Nnnf. Not gonna lie, yo. The mental images that immediately flood in as soon as I hear that Cullen is a bamf?

 

*fans self*

 

Just imagine it. Just imagine it. Some serious shizz is going down and your Quizzy? Maybe you're a little worried. Maybe the odds aren't in your favor. Things are looking questionable and all you can think is "Maker, preserve us." And you timidly reach for the door handle to step into the room that may hold your fate, the possible scene of a future crime, and Cullen brushes your hand aside. His eyes meet yours. "Step back, Inquisitor," he says with finality, the sort you know you can't argue down. "Remain out here. Tend to your troops. I will be back momentarily." His gaze travels your face, pausing to admire the crook of your nose and the slight dimple in the center of your lower lip. For a moment it looks as if he's got more to say, but he simply inclines his head when words fail him.

 

You don't want him to go but he's left you little choice.

 

The door flies open and he dashes in, sword drawn and helm lowered. He doesn't need your help. Foes clammor for windows and doors, knowing their fate is sealed the moment the door snaps closed behind him. He's Cullen and he is a man to be feared.

 

 Uhhh... I'm gonna be the voice of Lola here and say that's a bit too Harlequin romance-y sounding for me   My inquisitor would shove him aside, "Are you nuts?! Why the hell are you talking like that, anyway??" and race in there first 

 

Haha!  Mine would give him an affectionate smirk and say "have at it, darling," then stand in the doorway as he vanquishes foes with her fire raining down around him. (And other glorious cliches!) 

 

I have actually contemplated that as well, that Cole was somehow responsible for our surviving the blast and getting back out of the Fade.  It actually makes some kind of weird sense to me.  

That makes sense to me too, although my favorite theory is that Flemeth is responsible, just because that would make it a pattern and not a coincidence that the previous heroes were aided by Flemeth in the beginning.

 

I think he likes to be in shadows, and the hat gives a good shadow.

Haha! And it serves the additional purpose of constantly bumping party members to remind them of his presence! 

 

He's had a bit of an underwhelming announcement, which is a shame.  Slip him in when no one is looking....wonder if they will slip him out again as quietly and claim not to know what we're talking about lol

Once a month until October. 

[ChachiBobinks]

If it helps, a lot of us believe that he's been slowing weaning himself off of lyrium. That, combined with the stress and nightmares, could explain his weary appearance in DA2.

 

I've recently come to think he's probably been working with the Inquisition for a while now, too. According to the wiki on the Seekers of Truth, the Seekers and Templars use to work together as the former Inquisition. The elite Templars were chosen as Seekers (and I'm sure we would agree that Cullen is elite)...so if the Inquisition is rebuilding the former order, it would make sense, yeah?