What if Cole refer to himself as 'it'? Spirits don't have genders. It depends on how he feels.
I think there is something that gender neutral people call themselves in english. "They" is something I have seen used when refering only to one person as well. Hmm I don't know what Cole likes to be seen as though, I guess we will know in the game. To me that part of Sera just sounded like she actually wants to dehumanize him ^^;
What? He was insulting Lady Sunshine? I don't remember, I thought they liked each other
I thought this too, although I hardly ever have Bethany, but Carver...he gave as good as he got so he was ok.
Wasn't Legion called 'it' in ME? I'm Italian, so I don't honestly know how they're called in english.I think there is something that gender neutral people call themselves in english. "They" is something I have seen used when refering only to one person as well. Hmm I don't know what Cole likes to be seen as though, I guess we will know in the game. To me that part of Sera just sounded like she actually wants to dehumanize him ^^;
What? He was insulting Lady Sunshine? I don't remember, I thought they liked each other
Cole himself might not even fully understand the differences. Be it between male and female or the connotations behind Sera referring to him as an 'it'. I don't even find it that offensive, since it's fine to call an animal an 'it' and spirits and demons are far more alien than animals.
Well, that's funny you should say that because I was actually going to point out that it's no longer really cool to call pets "it"! I've noticed a subtle shift over the last 10-15 years. Most people will refer to a pet as he or she if they know the gender, and many will apologize if they realize they got the gender wrong! Maybe it's different where you are?
Yea it's intresting how there is differences ^^ In Finland calling person "it" is just normal part of spoken language, it's not unpolite although grammatically it isn't correct
Fascinating! "It" is for non-human "things" in English. And like I said above, even pets are being considered "persons" of a sort these days instead of things, so it's not kosher to call a pet "it." (You might call stray cat "it" because there is no emotional connection to the animal, but you wouldn't call your best friend's cat "it"... that's rude!)
What if Cole refer to himself as 'it'? Spirits don't have genders. It depends on how he feels.
That would be interesting and something to consider but I was under the impression he identified as male.
Exactly. Even if he is only a spirit, it seriously bugs me that Sera is gonna degrade Cole by calling him "it".
It doesn't bug me; it adds flavor to the characters and their relationships (for me). Sometimes extreme cruelty between characters does bug me though, like Anders picking on Fenris or Fenris picking on Merrill.
The way I see it, if he identifies as male (no matter what he is) then he's a male. Simple as that.
Yeah. Right 
Wasn't Legion called 'it' in ME? I'm Italian, so I don't honestly know how they're called in english.
I do think there's a possibility Sera is using 'it' to insult/dehumanize him, I just think it's not sure.
Or not...
Wasn't Legion called 'it' in ME? I'm Italian, so I don't honestly know how they're called in english.
I do think there's a possibility Sera is using 'it' to insult/dehumanize him, I just think it's not sure.
I think you're right. I think Legion referred to itself as "this unit" and never assumed gender. However, Tali using "it" around Legion, to me, was clearly insulting, whereas Shepard seemed to struggling when trying to talk to or refer to Legion (because Shepard wanted to afford Leigon some semblance of humanity, and hence "it" would be insulting).
Wasn't Legion called 'it' in ME? I'm Italian, so I don't honestly know how they're called in english.
I do think there's a possibility Sera is using 'it' to insult/dehumanize him, I just think it's not sure.
Yep seems like Legion was called "it". I had to check, I think I write Legion as "him" ^^; Uh, well this is just something I have encountered couple times when referring to people who are gender fluid or gender neutral in internet. I think finnish is much easier, no worry of misgendering or dehumanizing anyone XD However to me it just seems like Sera was really going for dehumanize part, like she calles Cole "it" cause she doesn't want to think him as person at all just something abnormality.
Agreed, though animals have a gender. Spirit technically don't. Though yes, if he refers himself as a male he should be called 'him' (though if he referred himself as such in Asunder, I think it was before he understood he wasn't human, so we don't know if he changed his views of himself).Well, that's funny you should say that because I was actually going to point out that it's no longer really cool to call pets "it"! I've noticed a subtle shift over the last 10-15 years. Most people will refer to a pet as he or she if they know the gender, and many will apologize if they realize they got the gender wrong! Maybe it's different where you are?
That would be interesting and something to consider but I was under the impression he identified as male.
It doesn't bug me; it adds flavor to the characters and their relationships (for me). Sometimes extreme cruelty between characters does bug me though, like Anders picking on Fenris or Fenris picking on Merrill.
Yeah. Right
What? He was insulting Lady Sunshine? I don't remember, I thought they liked each other
Memory's not too good, but I'm pretty sure Anders never really got along too well with anyone. Sure. There were those he could converse with like Varric and Isabella, but I don't think anyone ever really liked him that much.
Well, that's funny you should say that because I was actually going to point out that it's no longer really cool to call pets "it"! I've noticed a subtle shift over the last 10-15 years. Most people will refer to a pet as he or she if they know the gender, and many will apologize if they realize they got the gender wrong! Maybe it's different where you are?
I think you're right. I think Legion referred to itself as "this unit" and never assumed gender. However, Tali using "it" around Legion, to me, was clearly insulting, whereas Shepard seemed to struggling when trying to talk to or refer to Legion (because Shepard wanted to afford Leigon some semblance of humanity, and hence "it" would be insulting).
I remember a part where Shep corrects them to say "he" but I don't think they did it again after.
Yep seems like Legion was called "it". I had to check, I think I write Legion as "him" ^^; Uh, well this is just something I have encountered couple times when referring to people who are gender fluid or gender neutral in internet. I think finnish is much easier, no worry of misgendering or dehumanizing anyone XD However to me it just seems like Sera was really going for dehumanize part, like she calles Cole "it" cause she doesn't want to think him as person at all just something abnormality.
Agreed, though animals have a gender. Spirit technically don't. Though yes, if he refers himself as a male he should be called 'him' (though if he referred himself as such in Asunder, I think it was before he understood he wasn't human, so we don't know if he changed his views of himself).
That's how I feel. Weekes uses male pronouns, so that's what I'm going to do until the game comes out and we run into Cole. If, in game, Cole corrects us, saying he'd rather be called 'it' (or she, or they, or zir) that's what I'll do. I mean, I might make characters who'll call Cole an 'it' (and probably not recruit the darling little stabbit), but I, myself, won't.
Fascinating! "It" is for non-human "things" in English. And like I said above, even pets are being considered "persons" of a sort these days instead of things, so it's not kosher to call a pet "it." (You might call stray cat "it" because there is no emotional connection to the animal, but you wouldn't call your best friend's cat "it"... that's rude!)
Ah okay In here pets are grammatically "it", however some like to call their pets "he/she" instead although it sounds quite odd when people are often refered as "it" in the spoken language. I guess "it" doesn't just hold as much weight as a word here so it's not rude or dehumanizing to call people with it.
So, now we wait for solas and dorian then maybe--just maybe--we find out more about the advisors.
Also it's time to place your bets for the next one! Solas or Dorian! Who will come first?!So, now we wait for solas and dorian then maybe--just maybe--we find out more about the advisors.
I know! Merrill's adorable! Why hate on her? But what really annoyed me was when he started on Bethany and Carver. They're meant to be our siblings and we can't even defend them? Wtf?!
I hate Merrill, sorry. Her adorableness does not excuse her pig-headed stubbornness about the eluvian. I had just finished a Dalish Mage playthough in DA:O and I cried so hard when Tamlen came back to camp as a ghoul. No FREAKING WAY was I gonna help this ****** restore the thing that killed the love of my warden's life. Duncan destroyed the mirror for a reason. It's evil. And she tryna fix it? Even though literally EVERYONE is telling her it's a really bad idea??
But noooo, Merrill "knows what she's doing". And you're just a dirty shem if you don't help her.
I only change when/if I can remember or the owner seems to aggressively correct me.
Wow. Yeah that would be me LOL I would be very p!ssed if someone referred to either of my cats as "it." No one's ever done that though; like I said, most people around here refer to pets via gendered pronouns (to afford the pet... and, obviously, the owner... respect/humanity [for lack of a better term]).
Also it's time to place your bets for the next one! Solas or Dorian! Who will come first?!
My money's on Dorian. But I still think Solas has a good chance. 50% chance to be exact.
Man Solas really dropped off the face of the map, didn't he? Yeah I'm guessing Dorian, too. Maybe they're still working on Solas' design? He showed up in all the "group" shots in the trailers, though, seemingly the same.
To be honest, Merrill annoys the hell out of me. Her pride gets in the way of her consequences - and granted, that is what makes her a good, believable character. But there are some characters you just don't like, and Merrill happens to be one of them for me. Doesn't mean I excuse Anders or Fenris for their cruelty towards her, though.
Can you actually persuade Merrill to give up on the mirror before the Keeper ends up needing to die?
To be honest, Merrill annoys the hell out of me. Her pride gets in the way of her consequences - and granted, that is what makes her a good, believable character. But there are some characters you just don't like, and Merrill happens to be one of them for me. Doesn't mean I excuse Anders or Fenris for their cruelty towards her, though.
She even gets mad when you point out the Keeper dying was kinda her fault. She prefers when you say Marethari was a fool. But like, she saved her. The demon would have for sure possessed Merrill. I don't buy for a second she'd be strong enough to resist a Demon. She didn't in the fade. We've seen she has no problem accepting their "help". I agree Fenris and Anders went too far at times, but it pissed me off how she refused to take responsibility for anything.
I hate Merrill, sorry. Her adorableness does not excuse her pig-headed stubbornness about the eluvian. I had just finished a Dalish Mage playthough in DA:O and I cried so hard when Tamlen came back to camp as a ghoul. No FREAKING WAY was I gonna help this ****** restore the thing that killed the love of my warden's life. Duncan destroyed the mirror for a reason. It's evil. And she tryna fix it? Even though literally EVERYONE is telling her it's a really bad idea??
But noooo, Merrill "knows what she's doing". And you're just a dirty shem if you don't help her.
I hate Merrill, sorry. Her adorableness does not excuse her pig-headed stubbornness about the eluvian. I had just finished a Dalish Mage playthough in DA:O and I cried so hard when Tamlen came back to camp as a ghoul. No FREAKING WAY was I gonna help this ****** restore the thing that killed the love of my warden's life. Duncan destroyed the mirror for a reason. It's evil. And she tryna fix it? Even though literally EVERYONE is telling her it's a really bad idea??
But noooo, Merrill "knows what she's doing". And you're just a dirty shem if you don't help her.
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