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[wiccame]

He never did, even unintentionally. All their correspondence was from before Quentin went nuts.

iirc if you go the templar route, it is shown that he knew what he was up to when Leandra was killed.

[The Elder King]

He did. You can find a letter with the inital "O" signed at the bottom during that weird quest with that Orlesian blood mage dude. You can confront him about it at the end and he'll admit to it. Gimme a sec and I'll find it.

I think Xil is referring to the fact that Orsino is aware of Quentin's research but didn't help Quentin in hiding (well, at least intentionally).

[VampOrchid]

Hello to all the newcomers!! Its always nice to see that new ppl are visiting when I pop in for a bit!

[LolaLei]

Xili: Ok, this letter is found during the "Best Served Cold Quest" in that mansion where Gascard DuPuis is trying to lure one of the women for Quentin.

 

"My dear friend,

I have obtained the books you requested. I'll leave them at our usual hiding spot. Please collect them as soon as possible. I would hate to see them in the wrong hands!

Your last letter was fascinating! You have proven me wrong, once again, by doing the impossible. I shouldn't have doubted your resolve, and I hope you will keep me apprised of further progress.

Your friend and colleague, 
O"

[Potato Cat]

I fear what will happen to my Hawke's views. He wasn't pro-mage, but neutral. He picked mages in the end because the Circle wasn't involved with Anders. I hope that the few choices when you can pick a neutral approach will count in building Hakwe's views.

I'm just hoping that Hawke doesn't actually physically appear so I don't have to worry about that. And that Varric doesn't talk at length about Hawke. I'm happy with the story Cassandra 'had been told' being the story most think happened.

[LolaLei]

I know. I remember it. That came from before Quentin's wife's death.

 

I'm trying to find the scene at the end, bear with me.

[The Elder King]

I'm just hoping that Hawke doesn't actually physically appear so I don't have to worry about that. And that Varric doesn't talk at length about Hawke. I'm happy with the story Cassandra 'had been told' being the story most think happened.

Agreed.

[Mellora]

That, too, but there are lots of additional dialogue options that flesh out his opinion. And they depend a lot on what your Hawke says to him.

What I wanted to say is that despite all the dialog possibilities with him, some people stay "stuck" to this sentence.
You know, back in France, a lot of fans I chat with don't even remember who he is, cause they didn't bother or feel the need to trigger every possible dialogs. Either in DAO or DA2. Sometimes I feel like a weird girl being so much interested in him.

[Panda]

I think it's due to the "mages are not people like you and me" dialog that some fans keep considering Cullen as an extremist.

 

Yep this dialogue always pops up when people talk why they dislike/hate Cullen. It's intresting how one line can do that for some ^^. Some hate Cullen just for that line (of cource some have other reasons as well) and some find it funny, it has inspired many funny fanart pictures. I think I just personally interpret the sentence in different way than some, highlighting the like you and me part what some seems to forgot. I don't think that Cullen doesn't think mages as people, I think he thinks them of people but much dangerous one's so they are still people, just much more dangerous and unpredictable than nonmages.

[VampOrchid]

What I wanted to say is that despite all the dialog possibilities with him, some people stay "stuck" to this sentence.
You know, back in France, a lot of fans I chat with don't even remember who he is, cause they didn't bother or feel the need to trigger every possible dialogs. Either in DAO or DA2. Sometimes I feel like a weird girl being so much interested in him.

Ohhh I can relate to this lol.

[wiccame]

What I wanted to say is that despite all the dialog possibilities with him, some people stay "stuck" to this sentence.
You know, back in France, a lot of fans I chat with don't even remember who he is, cause they didn't bother or feel the need to trigger every possible dialogs. Either in DAO or DA2. Sometimes I feel like a weird girl being so much interested in him.

I remember having a conversation with someone who wondered why Alistair was such an a**, that he fought with him on everything. That he was totally unreasonable and selfish and childish all that sort of thing. 

It turned out he was choosing all the hard lines, making all the opposite decisions, so he was getting a lot of minus approvals, and admitted he didn't take the time to buy back his affections or talk things through with him like he would other party members. So of course Alistair appeared to be a jerk to him, which is fine it was how he chose to interact with he character. I think that's how a lot of people choose to interact with Cullen, and they may use that line as the trigger kind of thing, and use it determine what route they want to go with him. I mean its a pretty strong anti mage line.

 

Don't worry, I'm just as weird with my unhealthy...um...interest in Cullen  

[Xilizhra]

Yep this dialogue always pops up when people talk why they dislike/hate Cullen. It's intresting how one line can do that for some ^^. Some hate Cullen just for that line (of cource some have other reasons as well) and some find it funny, it has inspired many funny fanart pictures. I think I just personally interpret the sentence in different way than some, highlighting the like you and me part what some seems to forgot. I don't think that Cullen doesn't think mages as people, I think he thinks them of people but much dangerous one's so they are still people, just much more dangerous and unpredictable than nonmages.

That's not how the line goes. It's two sentences: "Mages cannot be treated like people. They are not like you and me." There's no way to escape the depersonalizing intent of the first sentence.

[Phate Phoenix]

I'm trying to find the scene at the end, bear with me.

 

This one? (Poor quality, it was the only one I found. Strange, it seems like few people sided with the Templars.  )

 

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[LolaLei]

That's not how the line goes. It's two sentences: "Mages cannot be treated like people. They are not like you and me." There's no way to escape the depersonalizing intent of the first sentence.

To be fair, mages aren't "regular" people so it could be interpreted as him saying that they can't be treated in the same way you would with a non-Mage. Which is still wrong and cruel, but given his torture still being relatively fresh I don't hold it against him for saying it. If he was to still be saying sh!t like that in DAI then yeah, he and my Inquisitor are gonna come to blows if he shows no improvement/change at all.

[LolaLei]

This one? (Poor quality, it was the only one I found. Strange, it seems like few people sided with the Templars. )

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I dunno, I can't watch it on my phone and I've gotta go to work. I'll take a look and pick up the convo/debate later.

[Panda]

That's not how the line goes. It's two sentences: "Mages cannot be treated like people. They are not like you and me." There's no way to escape the depersonalizing intent of the first sentence.

 

Hmm thanks for adding that, I didn't remember correct line it seems. However I intepret the line as I before said. I don't think he there says that mages aren't people, just that they can't be treated like nonmages since they are much more dangerous.

[Mellora]

To be fair, mages aren't "regular" people so it could be interpreted as him saying that they can't be treated in the same way you would with a non-Mage. Which is still wrong and cruel, but given his torture still being relatively fresh I don't hold it against him for saying it. If he was to still be saying sh!t like that in DAI then yeah, he and my Inquisitor are gonna come to blows if he shows no improvement/change at all.

Cullen is pragmatic. This sentence may be wrong, but it's not cruel. As you said he reacted as a guy who has been tortured. His opinions are based on his experiences and he already proved he's able to question himself.

[LolaLei]

Cullen is pragmatic. This sentence may be wrong, but it's not cruel. As you said he reacted as a guy who has been tortured. His opinions are based on his experiences and he already proved he's able to question himself.

It's cruel if he were to act on those words. It's cruel having it said to you whether he means them or not. However, like I said he's suffering from his past which is why (to me) it doesn't hold much weight or offence as it would it someone like Karrass had said it.

[MacyNell]

What I wanted to say is that despite all the dialog possibilities with him, some people stay "stuck" to this sentence.
You know, back in France, a lot of fans I chat with don't even remember who he is, cause they didn't bother or feel the need to trigger every possible dialogs. Either in DAO or DA2. Sometimes I feel like a weird girl being so much interested in him.

 

See, this is the part I don't get.  I was pretty staunchly pro-mage in DA2. Anders was my honey, and I was totally into it.  But it seemed obvious to me right away that Cullen was someone with whom I should probably seek to build a friendship or at least a working relationship, in a it-might-be-helpful-later kind of way.  And I was right for the most part.  So I ended up talking to the man every chance I got, just to see what he would say.  And sometimes he did say things, interesting things.

 

 In the interest of full disclosure, I will admit that in subsequent play-throughs, after I knew what he had to say already, I still went and poked him.  Because, yeah, dat voice. 

[Lorien19]

Hmm thanks for adding that, I didn't remember correct line it seems. However I intepret the line as I before said. I don't think he there says that mages aren't people, just that they can't be treated like nonmages since they are much more dangerous.

I didn't take his comment as dehumanization either,Discrimination?Definitely which is still wrong of course,but dehumanization,I wouldn't say so...Besides his reaction to a pro-Templar ending when Hawke orders the three surrendering mages killed,kind of proves that.

I believe that someone who dehumanizes a group of people,is incapable to show feelings of sympathy/remorse towards them in any way.

[Liadan]

I GOT INTO THE KEEP

 

 

Congrats Eric mine was sitting in the spam all along  thenk god i wanted to clean my spam and then i saw the email so peeps check your spam it might be there

 

 

I didn't want to say anything, but I got in, too.

I`m a bit late but Congratulations for getting into the Keep guys ! 

[HurricaneGinger]

Cullen is pragmatic. This sentence may be wrong, but it's not cruel. As you said he reacted as a guy who has been tortured. His opinions are based on his experiences and he already proved he's able to question himself.

I agree.
People forget, or just choose to ignore, the fact that Cullen is still suffering PTSD only a YEAR after his torture. A small vacation isn't going to fix him. Soldiers can go through the same thing; I read an article about a soldier who was caught, tortured, but eventually rescued. His views on the native people HE WAS PROTECTING scewed terribly because of that experience.

PTSD doesn't just go away, and I imagine the sort of healthcare he needs just isn't available aside from confiding in someone he trusts...and his fears and anger could easily be twisted in the wrong hands. His development, especially in Act 3 on the Templar route, proves he still holds to his ideal about the Order. It would have been much much MUCH easier to just kill all the mages and follow his superior. Instead, he chose to otherwise.

Cullen's strength and willingness to see past his own demons is why I like and respect him so much.

[Liadan]

So this is my first post on the Bioware forum. Some of you may know me as Cullenite1 on the chat, of all of my time lurking in the Bioware forums you guys were the friendliest bunch I've seen. I love the Dragon Age series, I love it's lore, it's wit and more importantly I love the characters. To be honest, I haven't played a series where I loved characters more than the gameplay. The gameplay is good don't get me wrong, but the companions were believable and well written that I felt drawn to them. I spent a lot of my time running  around hoping to listen to the companions bicker at each other. They felt like real people and I enjoyed taking them on random places slaying darkspawn or whoever came in our way. Dragon Age to me is more than just a game, it's an adventure starring your character and his friends jumping in, kicking butt and conversing with each other, very few games had that affect on me.

 

So my thoughts on Cullen.....

 

I'd admit I played Dragon Age 2 first (and loved it) so I didn't know much about Cullen's character. All I know was that he was the templar who took Bethany away. I disliked with a passion and spent the rest of the game actively opposing the Templars. It wasn't until Act 3 when he stood up to Meridith, was when I thought "this man has some stones." I still disliked him though, but he quickly gained some of my respect. A few months later, I bought Origins and after going through the Circle I found a mentally tormented Cullen. I felt pity for him as he looked like he wanted to kill himself after all of the abuse he through. It was then I understood why he was so hostile to mages. After Origins I played Dragon Age 2 again and connected Cullen's development. I saw a man who felt that he wanted to do the Maker's duty and protect mages from themselves. He believes in Templar's mission and will do whatever it takes to achieve it. He may be extreme at times, but it was with good reason at least to him. It was only in Act 3 was that he started to doubt the methods that the Templars were doing to the mages. He questioned his own morality, should he be harsh on mages? Should they deserve death? it came to a boiling point when Merideth was acting crazy was that Cullen decided that's enough. He would have his morals compromised anymore and stood up against authority.

 

Cullen is an interesting character, because as someone on this forum said he develops on his own rather than rely on the player to influence them. He makes his own choices, rather than let the player do it for them. He overcomes moral dilemma by himself rather than the player giving him advice. He stood up to Merideth on his own without any nudge by the player. Cullen is interesting because he's a character who becomes a man on his own terms. I'm curious to see what more is in store for Cullen. Will he hold his hatred for mages or will he more understanding? Why did he join the Inquisition? Does he have family? Is he capable of leading an army? Is he straight or is Bi? 

 

So many questions..... But yeah this is my first post!

Welcome! Glad you join us 

 

Have a Cullen:

 

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[alwayshungry]

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[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

Cullen is pragmatic. This sentence may be wrong, but it's not cruel. As you said he reacted as a guy who has been tortured. His opinions are based on his experiences and he already proved he's able to question himself.

True, however pragmatism doesn't exclude cruelty. Replace "mage" with any group of real world people, and talks of locking them away or killing them becomes cruel, even if some members of that group attacked you first