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[Sifr]

@Taraelyn. According to Alistair, that's exactly what happens after a while, the older Templars need to take vast quantities of it as they've built up a stronger tolerance, which is sadly true in real life as well.

 

While it'd be a definitely be a difficult subject, I for one would applaud the writers if they decided to discuss this in a future game and perhaps implement that mechanic they had planned in the first, where Lyrium addiction would cause diminishing returns for Templar and Mage characters after a while.

 

They've already started with the non-health regen, this would be a logical progression and make the game more realistic.

[SamaraDraven]

Stop making me like every post Cullenites. I'm going to run out!

Hey I'm already out thanks to you and Kirtahe.

[xxKitRosalin]

Well, it's a reference to a sex act that has a similar sounding name.  That's about all I can tell you without blushing to death.  

Oh....that would explain why I have no idea what anyone is talking about when referring to it. *ahem* kind of.....never done any of that stuff so....*cough*

[Taraelyn]

@Taraelyn. According to Alistair, that's exactly what happens after a while, the older Templars need to take vast quantities of it as they've built up a stronger tolerance, which is sadly true in real life as well.

 

While it'd be a definitely be a difficult subject, I for one would applaud the writers if they decided to discuss this in a future game and perhaps implement that mechanic they had planned in the first, where Lyrium addiction would cause diminishing returns for Templar and Mage characters after a while.

 

They've already started with the non-health regen, this would be a logical progression and make the game more realistic.

 

Ah, I thought I'd heard it somewhere. It would make for some very interesting, albeit difficult, subject matter in the game.

 

As a game mechanic however, I suppose it would depend on how fast those effects would happen. For example, over the course of DAO it may be too short to make sense, but over the course of DAII being several years... I like this idea.

[Sifr]

"Cullenlingas" meanwhile is not risque at all, it's Anglo-Saxon for those who are descendants of Cullen.

 

Because sometimes language is more fun when it simply sounds rude.

 

[Sister Goldring]

Oh....that would explain why I have no idea what anyone is talking about when referring to it. *ahem* kind of.....never done any of that stuff so....*cough*

 

All in good time xxKitRosalin.      There is never any need to rush into things.  

[Crunchycarp]

I bet Varric's nickname for Cassandra is gonna have the word bullshit in it

Random thoughts ftw

[CuriousArtemis]

I always make the save everyone, merciful decisions too.

 

Oh no, you mistake me; I may be merciful, but my characters are not. My Dalish Warden for example straight up murdered those three shem in the forest

[SamaraDraven]

I completely agree!

I take back what I said about us being different people. You may write my posts for me from now on!

A couple of things I'd also add to this:

I think it's significant that - as I pointed out recently - Cullen knew the people who were responsible for his torture. These were people he saw every day. People he probably had a rapport with. People he likely never really expected would turn on him even if he was theoretically prepared for it. Being betrayed under those circumstances would make it very, very hard to give people the benefit of the doubt.

Speaking from personal experience for a moment: It is a huge shock when you realize someone you thought you knew has plotted to harm you, even if it's "you" as a group rather than you as an individual. It's one thing if a person snaps and goes after you in anger - that's not that hard to get over. It's quite another to find out someone was coldly planning something even as they smiled to your face. Especially if it's the first time that has happened to you, it really throws your whole worldview for a loop for awhile. It can take a pretty significant level of emotional effort not to let it taint your trust in a whole group of people.

I don't think after being tortured, deprived of food and sleep, probably deprived of lyrium, and having just watched his comrades die a horrible death, Cullen was in any position to exert that much emotional effort. If he had, it would be superhuman, not a realistic expectation. I like that Cullen was only human in that moment.

Also, on a more practical level, judging by the corpses in the tower, Cullen presumably saw mages killing other mages as well as killing templars. It would not be unreasonable to imagine that the mages who actually were innocent were already dead - it would be pretty miraculous for someone who wasn't an abomination or willing to resort to blood magic to be able to stand up to someone who was and live to tell the tale. At that point I... don't think Cullen was very likely to expect a miracle.

One final point on the subject. Cullen's view is seen as extreme only because he was incorrect. If he'd been right and abominations had, say, gone and slaughtered a village as a result of the decision to spare the Circle, would we see it the same way? Because that very easily could have happened. Either decision ould condemn innocent people to death.

I think this is more a function of the Warden being insanely lucky than Cullen being objectively in the wrong, truth be told.

Good god that's a brilliant argument Hannah! You're right: Cullen was very human in that moment. And humans break sometimes. I think Uldred and his followers were the only real traitors though. The rest were victims just as well. Though I wouldn't expect a person in Cullen's place to remember that at the time...

[xxKitRosalin]

All in good time xxKitRosalin.      There is never any need to rush into things.  

Tankies. And please, chuu can just call me Kit. ;3;

[Sister Goldring]

Oh no, you mistake me; I may be merciful, but my characters are not. My Dalish Warden for example straight up murdered those three shem in the forest

 

OOH     You are vicious!!!!!

 

pleasedon'thurtme..........

[Kirrahe1]

I completely agree!
 
I take back what I said about us being different people. You may write my posts for me from now on!
 
A couple of things I'd also add to this:
 
I think it's significant that - as I pointed out recently - Cullen knew the people who were responsible for his torture. These were people he saw every day. People he probably had a rapport with. People he likely never really expected would turn on him even if he was theoretically prepared for it. Being betrayed under those circumstances would make it very, very hard to give people the benefit of the doubt. 
 
Speaking from personal experience for a moment: It is a huge shock when you realize someone you thought you knew has plotted to harm you, even if it's "you" as a group rather than you as an individual. It's one thing if a person snaps and goes after you in anger - that's not that hard to get over. It's quite another to find out someone was coldly planning something even as they smiled to your face. Especially if it's the first time that has happened to you, it really throws your whole worldview for a loop for awhile. It can take a pretty significant level of emotional effort not to let it taint your trust in a whole group of people.
 
I don't think after being tortured, deprived of food and sleep, probably deprived of lyrium, and having just watched his comrades die a horrible death, Cullen was in any position to exert that much emotional effort. If he had, it would be superhuman, not a realistic expectation. I like that Cullen was only human in that moment.
 
Also, on a more practical level, judging by the corpses in the tower, Cullen presumably saw mages killing other mages as well as killing templars. It would not be unreasonable to imagine that the mages who actually were innocent were already dead - it would be pretty miraculous for someone who wasn't an abomination or willing to resort to blood magic to be able to stand up to someone who was and live to tell the tale. At that point I... don't think Cullen was very likely to expect a miracle.
 
One final point on the subject. Cullen's view is seen as extreme only because he was incorrect. If he'd been right and abominations had, say, gone and slaughtered a village as a result of the decision to spare the Circle, would we see it the same way? Because that very easily could have happened. Either decision ould condemn innocent people to death.
 
I think this is more a function of the Warden being insanely lucky than Cullen being objectively in the wrong, truth be told.

This this-idy this this! Especially about how if he had been right we would have seen the whole thing in a totally different light. I bet waaaay more people would like Cullen and not think of him as this one dimensional "zealot" if it turned out they were possessed. Ah people, so hilariously fickle!

[Kirrahe1]

There would be the possibilty (as with real medication, iirc) that the templars would need increasingly higher doses as time went on, yes? So I suppose it would depend on how long Cullen had been serving with the Templars for?
 
And Hi Everyone, btw... got tired of lurking...

Yes Taraelyn stay and talk with us! I used to lurk and only lurk for a long time but posting is way way more fun!

[TreeHuggerHannah]

Well, it's a reference to a sex act that has a similar sounding name.  That's about all I can tell you without blushing to death.  

 

Haha! I have teenagers asking me awkward sex questions all the time so I'm used to explaining things. 

 

Cullen was very human in that moment. And humans break sometimes.

 

Yeah! Exactly! Agree.

[CuriousArtemis]

You can tell Bioware makes great games because I really do feel bad if I hurt or fail to save a pixel person lol! Bioware has also given me a firm appreciation for never wanting to be in a position of power. I agonize over big decisions in these games on my first play through. Make major decisions with real people and real lives? No! No thank you.

 

This is so true (about BioWare making games with characters we care about). However, playing as Commander Shepard just makes me lust for ultimate power even more 

[Sifr]

Ah, I thought I'd heard it somewhere. It would make for some very interesting, albeit difficult, subject matter in the game.

 

As a game mechanic however, I suppose it would depend on how fast those effects would happen. For example, over the course of DAO it may be too short to make sense, but over the course of DAII being several years... I like this idea.

 

 They did something similar with the Taint, where they mentioned after Ostagar that the Warden couldn't immediately sense Darkspawn and that this ability took time to manifest. And in Legacy, where due to being a Warden for longer and/or because of Justice, Anders was able to hear the call of Corypheus, while a Warden Bethany/Carver could not. It was interesting to see the progression of the Taint and the effect it had on the Wardens involved.

 

So far, Lyrium and it's effects on Templars has yet to be really explored in depth. WIth the Red Templars having gone nuts on the raw Red stuff, we might get more of this in DAI, since it's always caused me to wonder if Cullen might suffer any long-term effects from taking it?

[Sister Goldring]

Haha! I have teenagers asking me awkward sex questions all the time so I'm used to explaining things. 

 

 

Yes, but we all know Hannah that you are a better person than me.    

[xxKitRosalin]

Haha! I have teenagers asking me awkward sex questions all the time so I'm used to explaining things. 

Oh, well, to make it more awkward, I haven't been a teenager in quite a while. Hence, why I feel embarrassed about not knowing these things. 0///0

[Taraelyn]

Yes Taraelyn stay and talk with us! I used to lurk and only lurk for a long time but posting is way way more fun!

 

It's not so bad once you get that "first" post out of the way, eh?

[xxKitRosalin]

And to add to this convo, I actually admire Cullen because he is so human. I know, strange, right?

[CuriousArtemis]

OOH     You are vicious!!!!!

 

pleasedon'thurtme..........

 

Yeeeeah he was a bit of hard-ass lol Hence why I thought he would've been cuter with innocent Alistair than worldly Zevran (who fits so nicely with my sweet city elf). Ah well.

[CuriousArtemis]

Oh, well, to make it more awkward, I haven't been a teenager in quite a while. Hence, why I feel embarrassed about not knowing these things. 0///0

 

No need to feel embarrassed; you only learn things by asking and doing.

[Sister Goldring]

Doesn't matter what age you are.  The only thing that matters is where you are in your life and what level of intimacy you feel comfortable with.  

 

Now I have indulged my compulsive mothering instincts    Let's get back to lusting after Cullen.  

[Taraelyn]

 They did something similar with the Taint, where they mentioned after Ostagar that the Warden couldn't immediately sense Darkspawn and that this ability took time to manifest. And in Legacy, where due to being a Warden for longer and/or because of Justice, Anders was able to hear the call of Corypheus, while a Warden Bethany/Carver could not. It was interesting to see the progression of the Taint and the effect it had on the Wardens involved.

 

So far, Lyrium and it's effects on Templars has yet to be really explored in depth. WIth the Red Templars having gone nuts on the raw Red stuff, we might get more of this in DAI, since it's always caused me to wonder if Cullen might suffer any long-term effects from taking it?

 

By golly, you're right. It's obviously been waaaay too long since I've played through Origins.

 

Yes, it would be interesting to see them explore the Lyrium issue in more depth. I'm guessing part of it may be that we have not yet (maybe soon? ) had a Templar companion? It is also interesting that there is not a lot of discussion on the life expectancy of Templars, as iirc Lyrium is toxic in high doses. What happens to old Templars? (Is this another thing that is mentioned somewhere that I've forgotten...? Oh dear...)

[xxKitRosalin]

Doesn't matter what age you are.  The only thing that matters is where you are in your life and what level of intimacy you feel comfortable with.  
 
Now I have indulged my mothering instincts    Let's get back to lusting after Cullen.  

Yes, mommy ;3;