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How long have you worked for Bioware? ;) A quick pan or an image of one particular keep is hardly enough to go on either way. It's likely that the lion is the war symbol - but until there is confirmation, everything is valid.

What, you didn't know I'm one of the founders :whistle:?
I already stated that I meant to say 'it seems' in my previous post, on the Lion's symbol. It was my mistake :P.
On the keep it's a different matter. The keep shown in the PAX demo was definitely the military one opposed to the commerce/expionage based keeps because Bioware explicitely said so, so the symbol in the demo (which might as well have changed for all we know), isn't relevant to Gaspard and Celene.

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It's an interesting idea! I would hope we don't have to advertise our allegiances, though. I hope we'd be able to choose a neutral stand too. GDI, Anders, I want my compromise back!  :lol:


It seems. . . unlikely. We might be able to mitigate losses, but to side with neither might cause more losses in the long run than a quick resolution and incorporation of troops to the cause.

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Actually, they said our story is about becoming a leader/being a founder. The Warden wasn't a leader, he/she was someone who joined an organisation that was already well established. The story of the Inquisitor, however, is about being the leader of the Inquisition. We're the top authority in this order, and that's not something we've been before. :)

I actually wouldn't have anything against being a fade denizen personally, just so long as my Inquisitor doesn't die or end up looking like a zombie... or having to go back into the fade. I want my Inquisitors to stay with their LI. :lol:

They kind of said that. :) Being the one forming the Jedi order and so on. But it wasn't about some nobody stepping up, it was a group of powerful leaders banding together.

They said that DA2 was the game about outcasts and misfits. DAI would be about people that already are leaders, banding together to build a new power force. That included the Hero.

Edit: I didn't say the Warden formed the organisation. But I sure see them leading the Wardens in Ferelden during the Blight. All two of them. And then becoming Warden Commander in Awakening if surviving. :)

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I just find it hard to fathom Cullen would choose to wear that helm for himself. He usually goes without anything on his head, as far as we've seen. If there was a reason to wear it, like looking the part for something; I could understand that. I wonder if it's only briefly that we see him in it?



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What, you didn't know I'm one of the founders :whistle:?
I already stated that I meant to say 'it seems' in my previous post, on the Lion's symbol. It was my mistake :P.
On the keep it's a different matter. The keep shown in the PAX demo was definitely the military one opposed to the commerce/expionage based keeps because Bioware explicitely said so, so the symbol in the demo (which might as well have changed for all we know), isn't relevant to Gaspard and Celene.


Unless our military symbol changes based on allegiances. ;)

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It seems. . . unlikely. We might be able to mitigate losses, but to side with neither might cause more losses in the long run than a quick resolution and incorporation of troops to the cause.


Are you Talking on Celene versus Gaspard?

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It seems. . . unlikely. We might be able to mitigate losses, but to side with neither might cause more losses in the long run than a quick resolution and incorporation of troops to the cause.

 

True, true.



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Unless our military symbol changes based on allegiances. ;)

It's certainly possible, but why would it change? We're an indipendant organization, not a vassal for either Celene or Gaspard. It seems a move that would make us look weak. And I don't think we'll have that much control over our symbol. But, as I said, it might be possible.
On regards of the symbol, I checked the Inquisition edition and there are map markers with the Lion, the Owl and the the Golden Keys, which appeared in the PAX demo.

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Are you Talking on Celene versus Gaspard?



Or mages and the templars, or Elves versus humans, or Qunari versus Tevinter. . the longer the war is waged, the less troops available to fight the demonic hordes. All these groups would happily fight to the death, screw Thedas.

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Or mages and the templars, or Elves versus humans, or Qunari versus Tevinter. . the longer the war is wages, the less troops available to fight the demonic hordes. All these groups would happily fight to the death, screw Thedas.


Understood.

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I will play a male Inquisitor for Dorian.   :wizard:  I will play a female for Sera. :wizard:   If Cullen is Bi...I will do Both, :wizard: :wizard:

 

I think the issue with some people is the bullying that goes on when people are mean to others regarding HOW they play their game.


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I will play a male Inquisitor for Dorian.   :wizard:  I will play a female for Sera. :wizard:   If Cullen is Bi...I will do Both, :wizard: :wizard:

 

I think the issue with some people is the bullying that goes on when people are mean to others regarding HOW they play their game.

 

Oh, you I like.  :D


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Oh, you I like.  :D

Thank you. Its just how I roll.  :D   And I plan to get my money's worth out of this game. ;) :wizard:



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I just find it hard to fathom Cullen would choose to wear that helm for himself. He usually goes without anything on his head, as far as we've seen. If there was a reason to wear it, like looking the part for something; I could understand that. I wonder if it's only briefly that we see him in it?

I was thinking about this, too. If he's leading a large troop of soldiers, that helm would certainly make him identifiable at a distance, yes?



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I will play a male Inquisitor for Dorian.   :wizard:  I will play a female for Sera. :wizard:   If Cullen is Bi...I will do Both, :wizard: :wizard:

 

I think the issue with some people is the bullying that goes on when people are mean to others regarding HOW they play their game.

 

One thing that really stumps me is how some people feel they can judge another player for making choices that they wouldn't in a game. I get that people have the characters they like and don't like but judging other players for liking something another one doesn't isn't a freepass to judge them. It smacks of an ugly, high & mighty "my choices are the only right ones" kind of mentality. I just don't get why anyone would want to expend energy and time bothering to draw any conclusions about someone else who plays differently from them. :unsure:



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I was thinking about this, too. If he's leading a large troop of soldiers, that helm would certainly make him identifiable at a distance, yes?


Also, might protect his identity or-now this is crazy-just protect his skull. We haven't seen him in combat but twice, once against a single opponent outside of Kirkwall, and the other time against an opponent he didn't expect to fight. Maybe he wears one more often?
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Also, might protect his identity or-now this is crazy-just protect his skull. We haven't seen him in combat but twice, once against a single opponent outside of Kirkwall, and the other time against an opponent he didn't expect to fight. Maybe he wears one more often?

 

Funny that he's actually wearing a helmet at last, he's been avoiding wearing them for years!  :lol:


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Funny that he's actually wearing a helmet at last, he's been avoiding wearing them for years!  :lol:

That's true. We've seen other Templars wearing them but never Cullen. :lol:



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That's true. We've seen other Templars wearing them but never Cullen. :lol:

But how would we know it's Cullen if he was wearing that helmet? Plus, it seemed like the templars in Kirkwall didn't wear helmets until the final battle.

 

As for the fledgling Inquisition, I think the plans were already in motion by the time that Cassandra questions Varric. I think this was a last ditch effort by trying to find Hawke and/or the Warden, as has been stated. I think by the time Cassandra questions Varric, the plans for the summit were already in place. As Leliana states, "It's in the Maker's hands now." So what I think happens after this, is Leliana and Cassandra take a boat from Kirkwall to Ferelden to join the summit. I still don't know how it is that Varric is there or decides to travel with them, (I'm assuming we'll be told in the opening, or somewhere near the start of the game.) However, I believe that Varric is there when the explosion happens because of the shot in the Fires Above trailer is him with bodies of those killed in the blast.

 

The thing I'm having trouble puzzling out, and I think we all are, is when Cullen leaves Kirkwall and where we meet up with him. I know we've talked about whether or not Cassandra questions him, and for me, even that is unknown. But he does leave at some point, but how does he get where? Does he, too, take a boat to Ferelden? Does he travel west and around? Questions, questions...



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But how would we know it's Cullen if he was wearing that helmet? Plus, it seemed like the templars in Kirkwall didn't wear helmets until the final battle.

 

As for the fledgling Inquisition, I think the plans were already in motion by the time that Cassandra questions Varric. I think this was a last ditch effort by trying to find Hawke and/or the Warden, as has been stated. I think by the time Cassandra questions Varric, the plans for the summit were already in place. As Leliana states, "It's in the Maker's hands now." So what I think happens after this, is Leliana and Cassandra take a boat from Kirkwall to Ferelden to join the summit. I still don't know how it is that Varric is there or decides to travel with them, (I'm assuming we'll be told in the opening, or somewhere near the start of the game.) However, I believe that Varric is there when the explosion happens because of the shot in the Fires Above trailer is him with bodies of those killed in the blast.

 

The thing I'm having trouble puzzling out, and I think we all are, is when Cullen leaves Kirkwall and where we meet up with him. I know we've talked about whether or not Cassandra questions him, and for me, even that is unknown. But he does leave at some point, but how does he get where? Does he, too, take a boat to Ferelden? Does he travel west and around? Questions, questions...

 

The man in the lion helm is wearing Cullen's clothes and a dev (forgot who) confirmed it was him. So I will go with the thought that it is him for now. I also recall there being templars just standing around with helmets on so I'm inclined to think that some are meant to always wear them. Maybe it's a matter of what post they're at? In a battle, everyone should have run for their weapons, shields and helms as soon as word broke out. Almost every knight but Cullen had a helm on in the final battle in DA2. I don't think it's indicative of much, though. It would have taken more time and resources to design and animate so many individual faces - even if they were recycled a few times over. The helms remove that concern. I don't see why Cullen doesn't have one, though. Unless having to show him taking it off to talk was another little detail they didn't have to time to spend on, so leaving him helmless was a way around that. I hardly think it's really all that deep a thought behind why he never seems to wear one, other than time constraints. I just find it fun to think he prefers not to wear one and so it's an exception to see him in the lion helm, rather than the rule.

 

As for Varric: I think you're probably spot on about that. We don't know exactly what the state of things was in DA2 during the time that Varric was talking to Cassandra, but it sounds dire. It may probably be that Varric felt he had to help the Seekers and Divine and had nothing to keep in Kirkwall anymore. Perhaps he hoped to help find Hawke?



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Questioning Cullen seems likely- Meredith's second in command, familiar with Hawke, and previous presence during Mage misbehaviour - they might even have suspected he was Hawke's man on the inside, hand picked in Ferelden. If they questioned Varric, the only reason I see not to question him is he was either already gone, or they weren't wanting to tick off the Templars that early in the investigation.
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I still don't know how it is that Varric is there or decides to travel with them, (I'm assuming we'll be told in the opening, or somewhere near the start of the game.) However, I believe that Varric is there when the explosion happens because of the shot in the Fires Above trailer is him with bodies of those killed in the blast.
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Oh, I totally misunderstood that scene. I thought Varric was looking at bodies from some other event at another time in that trailer. I thought it was something like the gameplay demo where we could choose to save our Keep or go to the village and that was what the village looked like after choosing to only save the Keep.
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I was always hoping it would be Flemeth that rescued the Inquisitor because she has rescued our Hero of Ferelden and then the Champion. I like the idea of her meddling. Is it fate or chance? I can never decide.

But my bro,, Varric, finding me in the rubble, saving me in the last minute saying it's raining demons would also be cool.

Cooler still would be if Cullen... Mmmm *dreamy eyes*

Though Cassandra seems to be most likely after the trailers. Threatening us. :)

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Oh, I totally misunderstood that scene. I thought Varric was looking at bodies from some other event at another time in that trailer. I thought it was something like the gameplay demo where we could choose to save our Keep or go to the village and that was what the village looked like after choosing to only save the Keep.

You could still be right. I'm just guessing that's what's happening in that scene. To me, it makes sense.



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I was always hoping it would be Flemeth that rescued the Inquisitor because she has rescued our Hero of Ferelden and then the Champion. I like the idea of her meddling. Is it fate or chance? I can never decide.

 

Rescued... or else. But yeah, I'd love to see Flemeth again! And that Morrigan ritual storyline with the old god resolved.