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[Hanako Ikezawa]

He isn't wrong. The question was does the Origins romance thing have anything to do with it. If even one fan answers as yes, his 'almost certainly' answer is factually correct. 

[berelinde]

Wait, so I'm *not* alone in not being terribly interested in doing a female DAO mage? I've tried and even tried shipping her with Cullen when they're older and saner. But it's just not me. Extra dialogue aside, it's DA2 Cullen that interests me and I'm not really sure I want fem!mage in his backstory.

Nah, no matter what stance you hold, you're never the only one who holds it.

 

The Mage Origin is my favorite, and thanks to Alistair, I have a slight preference for playing female Amells, but I still don't ship her with Cullen. The flirtation added a human element the templars really needed (Yeah, they very well might develop crushes. They are human, after all.), but that's as far as I went with that.

[R2s Muse]

He isn't wrong. The question was does the Origins romance thing have anything to do with it. If even one fan answers as yes, his 'almost certainly' answer is factually correct. 

Actually, not quite. The question was why there are so many Cullen fans. The answer suggesting that the large number is because of the Amell storyline. So to be factually correct you need a  heck of a lot more than one. In fact, I would suggest at least a simple majority. 

 

Nevertheless, the other point is that it's generalizing a group of people who have a broad diversity of reasons for liking a character. Just as the fanbase of any character has. And yet people KEEP. ASKING. THIS. QUESTION. Because Cullen fans are apparently weird. 

[MacyNell]

...and that it's Mike Laidlaw contributing to the stereotyping... grrrr This annoys me much more than I would have expected after all these years.

 

That was very disappointing. I expected...I don't know what I expected.  Not that, tho. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Actually, not quite. The question was why there are so many Cullen fans. The answer suggesting that the large number is because of the Amell storyline. So to be factually correct you need a  heck of a lot more than one. In fact, I would suggest at least a simple majority. 

His answer was, and I quote, "Almost certainly." to the question, and again I quote, "think it has anything to do with the femwarden mage origin story?".

 

Where is the suggestion that the large number of fans is due to the Magi Origin? 

[CuriousArtemis]

Actually, not quite. The question was why there are so many Cullen fans. The answer suggesting that the large number is because of the Amell storyline. So to be factually correct you need a  heck of a lot more than one. In fact, I would suggest at least a simple majority. 

 

Nevertheless, the other point is that it's generalizing a group of people who have a broad diversity of reasons for liking a character. Just as the fanbase of any character has. And yet people KEEP. ASKING. THIS. QUESTION. Because Cullen fans are apparently weird. 

 

Exactly. Of course it's perfectly fine and great if a player fell for Cullen in DAO and shipped her Amell/Surana with him. But assuming all these silly "lady fans" are "lusting" after the character simply because he made kissy faces at Amell or Surana back in 2009 is, well, degrading.

[ClassicBox]

His answer was, and I quote, "Almost certainly." to the question, and again I quote, "think it has anything to do with the femwarden mage origin story?".

 

Where is the suggestion that the large number of fans is due to the Magi Origin? 

"im kinda surprised he recieved such a following as he has. think it has anything to do with the femwarden mage origin story?"

 

You missed the first part. ^^ It is in reference to the large following.

[Owlfruit Potion]

I share the annoyance at people asking the same "hurp durp fangirls" questions yet again, but just as a PSA, shipping Amell and having fallen for Cullen in the Mage origin doesn't make my appreciation of his character any shallower or more estrogen-driven than that of anyone who got into him in DA2. :/ I would find him a lot less nuanced and interesting if I hadn't known to look for the reform-minded "naive boy" inside the DA2 hardass.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

"im kinda surprised he recieved such a following as he has. think it has anything to do with the femwarden mage origin story?"

 

You missed the first part. ^^ It is in reference to the large following.

I did not miss that.

Again, if even a small percentage of large fanbase are fans because of the Magi Origin situation, he is not wrong in saying almost certainly to the word 'anything'. If one fan likes him because of this, his fanbase is as big as it is almost certainly because of that situation. 

[Funderly]

Exactly. Of course it's perfectly fine and great if a player fell for Cullen in DAO and shipped her Amell/Surana with him. But assuming all these silly "lady fans" are "lusting" after the character simply because he made kissy faces at Amell or Surana back in 2009 is, well, degrading.

 

I played DA2 first, and thought to myself, "that's one noble, strong ass, templar".  It took a long time for me to get around to playing a f/mage in Origins, and even then it took me a while to realize it was the same guy.  So, generalizing us for our "almost certain" obsession for his "kissy faces", is just aggravating.  

[R2s Muse]

His answer was, and I quote, "Almost certainly." to the question, and again I quote, "think it has anything to do with the femwarden mage origin story?".
 
Where is the suggestion that the large number of fans is due to the Magi Origin?

Perhaps re-read the entire interchange? 
 
 user
@Mike_Laidlaw you know, considering he was just kinda there for DA:O and had only a semi-minimal role in DA 2...
im kinda surprised he recieved such a following as he has. think it has anything to do with the femwarden mage origin story?

Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw 2h
@user Almost certainly.
 
So again I quote:
 
"im kinda surprised he recieved such a following as he has. think it has anything to do with the femwarden mage origin story?"
 
user is asking why "he received such a following". To have a following, that must require more than one person, no? Presumably many. Ergo, user is philosophizing about why Cullen has so many fans.

[Hellion Rex]

...and that it's Mike Laidlaw contributing to the stereotyping... grrrr This annoys me much more than I would have expected after all these years.

Hold up. I'm clearly lost. Why are we running Laidlaw under the bus for that one comment?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Perhaps re-read the entire interchange? 
 
 user
@Mike_Laidlaw you know, considering he was just kinda there for DA:O and had only a semi-minimal role in DA 2...
im kinda surprised he recieved such a following as he has. think it has anything to do with the femwarden mage origin story?

Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw 2h
@user Almost certainly.
 
So again I quote:
 
"im kinda surprised he recieved such a following as he has. think it has anything to do with the femwarden mage origin story?"
 
user is asking why "he received such a following". To have a following, that must require more than one person, no? Presumably many. Ergo, user is philosophizing about why Cullen has so many fans.

Read my post above. 

[jtav]

My preference for Amell is male, just because I think the class goes so well with Morrigan as a LI. Dwarves are women usually. CE I simply can't play and my one and only Dalish was male, but I think I picked wrong. I've seen Cullen's scenes of course, but he didn't make much of an impression. DA2 Cullen though was a man after my own pro-templar heart.

I'll be honest. *I* thought the stereotype was true before I came here. But you guys are one of the nicest, broadest-minded in fandom term (along with the Dorian thread) that I've ever poked my nose into.

[R2s Muse]

Even though Laidlaw is my boyfriend and I him...he's been banished to the couch tonight.

*gasping for air* bwahahaha!!!

[Phate Phoenix]

I share the annoyance at people asking the same "hurp durp fangirls" questions yet again, but just as a PSA, shipping Amell and having fallen for Cullen in the Mage origin doesn't make my appreciation of his character any shallower or more estrogen-driven than that of anyone who got into him in DA2. :/ I would find him a lot less nuanced and interesting if I hadn't known to look for the reform-minded "naive boy" inside the DA2 hardass.

 

I agree. I mean, Cullen was interesting in DA2 because of his development, but without his crush on a mage in DAO, or his statements about his faith in the Order all the way back then, I don't think I'd find him to be nearly as complex a character as I do now.

[R2s Muse]

Read my post above.

I did. I see no logical basis for your arguments according to the King's English.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I did. I see no logical basis for your arguments according to the King's English.

The person was wondering whether part of the reason Cullen's fanbase is so big is because of the Magi Origin thing.

Laidlaw answers almost certainly. 

If even 1% of fans are fans because of this(which there is) then the Magi Origin thing is part of the reason Cullen's fanbase is so big and Laidlaw is correct in his answer. 

 

Better?

[MacyNell]

Well he's just irritated a few of us but he's still sexy so I think we'll get over it by tomorrow. So it's like when I'm mad at my husband but then I want some later so I apologize even though I was right. It's like that.

Yes.  This.  Exactly.

[Hellion Rex]

Well he's just irritated a few of us but he's still sexy so I think we'll get over it by tomorrow. So it's like when I'm mad at my husband but then I want some later so I apologize even though I was right. It's like that.

First of all...ew.

 

I meant why are we irritated due to the one comment? I don't think Laidlaw is trying slight us or insult us at all.

[R2s Muse]

I share the annoyance at people asking the same "hurp durp fangirls" questions yet again, but just as a PSA, shipping Amell and having fallen for Cullen in the Mage origin doesn't make my appreciation of his character any shallower or more estrogen-driven than that of anyone who got into him in DA2. :/ I would find him a lot less nuanced and interesting if I hadn't known to look for the reform-minded "naive boy" inside the DA2 hardass.

This is exactly the point. Needing to understand the one monolithic reason why any diverse group of people does anything is annoying, particularly when that group includes you. Some folks liked him from the first game. Some from the second. Some neither and are interested in his future potential. But chalking it only up to the 'forbidden love' angle in DA:O flirts terribly close to the "silly fangirls" argument.

[ClassicBox]

I'm not understanding you. ^^" So because a few out of a large population like him for that reason, it represents the whole population then?  I don't follow but I'll just stop there. 

 

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You guys. I can't wait for tomorrow. I want to know Scribble's name, and I want to see Cullen, so it is a win-win.   (I almost said it's only tomorrow until tomorrow. My brain is not functioning right now.<<)

 

Edit: (And I'm not mad at ML at all. It's just funny to keep getting the same questions when there's the same answers. x3)

[berelinde]

Hold up. I'm clearly lost. Why are we running Laidlaw under the bus for that one comment?

Try reading the tweet that provoked Laidlaw's tweet and substituting "Morrigan" for "Cullen" and "side-boob" for "Mage Origin" and you may see why "Almost certianly" has ticked a few people off.

 

It's kinda like agreeing that there's nothing more to like.