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[LolaLei]

There are many characters from many different fandoms I like quite a bit, but I don't have anywhere near the attatchment rate for any character that some members of this communtiy have for a character who has a very, very small role in the grand scheme of things. His placement in Inquition screams of fan-service to me and I don't understand the different between it and large, bouncy breasts for no reason.

 

Well, that's your opinion. We won't take up anymore of your time, you can leave now.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

I understand that, but intent does matter.

This is the difficult thing about communicating with people over a screen. There is no tone of voice, no facial expressions nor body language to go by. Maybe in the future it would be best to be more specific with your wording and what you intend to convey so people don't take it to mean something that you never intended it to.

[BabyFratelli]

I understand that, but intent does matter.

 

Intent does matter, but so do perceptions, and if you were misunderstood explaining yourself in more detail would've probably been the better solution to editing out your posts and accusing people of insulting you when they weren't.

 

Anyway, maybe try to start some productive discussion here? Or re-make your thread along the lines of the other two I linked in yours that didn't get closed?

 

I'm out.

[The Elder King]

There are many characters I like quite a bit, but I don't have anywhere near the attatchment rater any character that some members of this communtiy have for a character who has a very, very small role in the grand scheme of things. His placement in Inquisition screams of fan-service to me; I don't understand the difference between his inclusion and the use of large, bouncy breasts for no reason.

As I said before, if Bioware included him for fanservice, why they didn't include him as a companion, that could be optional and possibly killable, instead of putting him in a major position in the Inquisition?

[Char]

There are many characters I like quite a bit, but I don't have anywhere near the attatchment forr any character that some members of this communtiy have for a character who has a very, very small role in the grand scheme of things. His placement in Inquisition screams of fan-service to me; I don't understand the difference between his inclusion and the use of large, bouncy breasts for no reason.

People are very quick to shout fanservice for included elements of the game they do not like. Even if we numbered in the thousands, Cullen fans are still not a large enough demographic to have swayed Bioware in that regard. Quite apart from that, several of the developers have confirmed that Cullen's presence had nothing to do with the fans, as flattering as that would be.
I appreciate that you feel a different NPC would have been more to your taste, but I think its a shame that you arent concentrating on the parts of the game you will enjoy, rather than the ones you dislike.

[Allan Schumacher]

I understand that, but intent does matter.

 

To an extent.  Did you or did you not make casual remarks towards the Cullen fanbase being some sort of circle jerk?  Because when I see stuff like that, what you tell me your intent is and what I feel your intent is appear to be incongruous.

 

 

There are many characters from many different fandoms I like quite a bit, but I don't have anywhere near the attatchment rate for any character that some members of this communtiy have for a character who has a very, very small role in the grand scheme of things.  His placement in Inquition screams of fan-service to me and I don't understand the different between it and large, bouncy breasts for no reason.

 

Well it's not.  Whether your choose to believe me or not is your own prerogative.  But the reality is that there's always a fandom of some particular aspect of our game, and as a result including it can always be construed as obviously being included because of "fan service."  Which typically comes across as "there's a group of fans that want something that I don't care for, and it appears to make it in, so it's obviously a bad thing."

 

 

You made reference to Baldur's Gate and KOTOR.  I remember the cries for Mission Vao.  The lamentations that Mazzy Fentan couldn't be romanced.  And yes, even the disappointment that the game seemed to focus on straight males.

 

 

The question then becomes, why does it bother you that he has a following?

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

There are many characters I like quite a bit, but I don't have anywhere near the attatchment forr any character that some members of this communtiy have for a character who has a very, very small role in the grand scheme of things. His placement in Inquisition screams of fan-service to me; I don't understand the difference between his inclusion and the use of large, bouncy breasts for no reason.

I tend to think that small cameo's like Alistair's and Zeverans in DA:2 that serve no actual purpose to the storyline to be a fan service rather than taking a character that has been present to witness two of the most important events to happen recently in Thedas, and putting him into a substantial role in the game where his insight can be taken advantage of and put to good use.

[LolaLei]

 

That's what I thought. You have zero desire for discussion, especially when you find out I do have good reasons for disliking the character. 

 

I have zero desire for discussion with someone that blatantly made a thread to have a dig at the fans (whether that was your main intent or not), especially not at before midday. 

 

But, since you seem intent on staying, go on. I'll bite. Give us your reasons then. Beyond "he's just fan service like jiggle-physics". 

[noxpanda]

Does anyone ship Cullen/Bethany? 

 

No, im always a mage. So bethany snuffs it every time. I do like sending carver off to join the templars though, i like to think that cullen needs at least one vaguely sane person to chat to in the gallows

[Allan Schumacher]

I have no doubt BioWare found a very good way of fitting him into the story and perhaps I will like him more after he's a fleshed out character. It's really not so much about Cullen and more about how a rather insignificant NPC garners such a strange following when there were much more deserving, well-thought out characters in DA:O.

 

So your issue with Cullen is that he has fans and that you feel a different NPC should have been chosen instead?

[CENIC]

Every time someone says Cullen is fan service for the ladies...

Guys who romanced Morrigan got an entire DLC about their love story, and I can't have one character? Give me a break!

[LolaLei]

I have no doubt BioWare found a very good way of fitting him into the story and perhaps I will like him more after he's a fleshed out character. It's really not so much about Cullen and more about how a rather insignificant NPC garners such a strange following when there were much more deserving, well-thought out characters in DA:O.

 

For the same reason that people like Boba Fett.

[TheJediSaint]

For the same reason that people like Boba Fett.

 

To be fair, Cullen got way more characterization in just DAO than Boba Fett got in all six Star Wars movies. 

[Panda]

I have no doubt BioWare found a very good way of fitting him into the story and perhaps I will like him more after he's a fleshed out character. It's really not so much about Cullen and more about how a rather insignificant NPC garners such a strange following when there were much more deserving, well-thought out characters in DA:O.

 

BW will make him more detailed for DAI for sure but still I don't think it's anyone's business to tell what other people should and shouldn't like If you look for example fan threads of other characters, people barely know anything about them apart from of their character describtion and writer's interview. They still like those characters and like to speculate what they will be in DAI. We are the same although we also luckily have more of info about Cullen already

[LolaLei]

To be fair, Cullen got way more characterization in DAO that Fett got in the entire Classic Trilogy. 

 

That's not the point I was trying to make.

 

People like him/them because they're intrigued to know more about a minor character.

[LolaLei]

There were rmances for female players in DA:O. Cullen wasn't one of them.

 

We didn't get a full DLC about it though, lol.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

For the same reason that people like Boba Fett.

Don't bring the Fett into this Lola, his actor is a kiwi and I will have to start defending my nation on this basis.

I'm sorry, that was inappropriate timing.

[Char]

I have no doubt BioWare found a very good way of fitting him into the story and perhaps I will like him more after he's a fleshed out character. It's really not so much about Cullen and more about how a rather insignificant NPC garners such a strange following when there were much more deserving, well-thought out characters in DA:O.
 
I highly, highly doubt Cullen's importance to the story was planned from the start. Honestly, if someone could provide any evidence that this wasn't the case, I may change my opinion.

How many of those characters received continued exposure and development in DA2 though? Cullen attracts fans from both games and for a diverse set of reasons. One common reason is the character development across and during the span of the two games. People are interested in seeing the point of view of a templar who has seen the very worst of both factions. Does the fact he is attractive and has a fan-friendly VA help? Absolutely, but it's not the main reason.

[noxpanda]

I have no doubt BioWare found a very good way of fitting him into the story and perhaps I will like him more after he's a fleshed out character. It's really not so much about Cullen and more about how a rather insignificant NPC garners such a strange following when there were much more deserving, well-thought out characters in DA:O.

 

I highly, highly doubt Cullen's importance to the story was planned from the start. Honestly, if someone could provide any evidence that this wasn't the case, I may change my opinion.

Well to be fair, i have an even ammount of  crazy fandom for several other npcs, but sadly i dont think loghain or teagan will be in DA:I

 

Also i believe there was quote from gaider floating arund somewhere stating that no character was added as fanservice, not sure where i saw it though.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

There were romances for female players in DA:O. Cullen wasn't one of them.

You know, if you wanted to have a polite discussion on why you don't like Cullen then I will have that with you. As I said in the other thread, I am not blind to his faults -- nor are the other people in this thread -- and there are plenty of things that I don't like about the choices he has made. Up to you if you want to or not, but the offer is there.

This has nothing to do with your comment I just quoted but, you know.....

[Allan Schumacher]

I have no doubt BioWare found a very good way of fitting him into the story and perhaps I will like him more after he's a fleshed out character. It's really not so much about Cullen and more about how a rather insignificant NPC garners such a strange following when there were much more deserving, well-thought out characters in DA:O.

 

I highly, highly doubt Cullen's importance to the story was planned from the start. Honestly, if someone could provide any evidence that this wasn't the case, I may change my opinion.

 

 

So you ignored my question AND added an unfalsifiable requirement to satisfy your needs for Cullen being "planned from the start."

 

 

I'll give you another chance.

 

Is your issue with Cullen that he has fans and that you feel a different NPC should have been chosen instead?